Snow on the way! Let’s see how these Poo 850’s do!

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ss440

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slimcake said:
I will say that while concerning Mr. Breeze is the first actual owner of an 850 to report a problem. Atleast from what I have seen. Lots of "my brothers friends buddy" and "I heard a guy on snowest" stuff but this is the first owner posting pics with an issue. Is there more? Maybe but when you snowcheck what 5,000 or more what do you expect? I don't think poo would put a 4 year warranty on something they weren't sure about. Stock holders don't like decisions like that... Remember finding people with problems on the internet is like finding sick people at the doctors

office.... Im gonna continue to ride my machine (if it ever snows....) just how Ryan told me to, LIKE IT OWES ME MONEY!! LOL.
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Go on snowest, quit a few problems with the new patriot. Can’t imagine how bad it would suck to buy a 15k sled and it doesn’t have all the bugs worked out
 
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indy_500

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slimcake said:
I will say that while concerning Mr. Breeze is the first actual owner of an 850 to report a problem. Atleast from what I have seen. Lots of "my brothers friends buddy" and "I heard a guy on snowest" stuff but this is the first owner posting pics with an issue. Is there more? Maybe but when you snowcheck what 5,000 or more what do you expect? I don't think poo would put a 4 year warranty on something they weren't sure about. Stock holders don't like decisions like that... Remember finding people with problems on the internet is like finding sick people at the doctors office.... Im gonna continue to ride my machine (if it ever snows....) just how Ryan told me to, LIKE IT OWES ME MONEY!! LOL.
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My coworkers locked up tight with a couple miles on it as said in the other thread. And i was with the breeze when he lost an oil line. Not very good odds so far
 
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The only guys with any seat time are the mountain guys. There is no snow to speak of in the rest of the country. Is this oil line held on with a simple little hose clamp affair or is the PTO bearing oiled through some passage in the crankcase itself? Amazing to think that millions of dollars of R@D and testing and everything else gets defeated by a 24 cent hose clamp.
 
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grub said:
The only guys with any seat time are the mountain guys. There is no snow to speak of in the rest of the country. Is this oil line held on with a simple little hose clamp affair or is the PTO bearing oiled through some passage in the crankcase itself? Amazing to think that millions of dollars of R@D and testing and everything else gets defeated by a 24 cent hose clamp.
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Perhaps as in insufficient testing???? It appears to be more likely so. As Poo seems to be evasive for reasons of the oil line coming off???
 
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slimcake

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grub said:
The only guys with any seat time are the mountain guys. There is no snow to speak of in the rest of the country. Is this oil line held on with a simple little hose clamp affair or is the PTO bearing oiled through some passage in the crankcase itself? Amazing to think that millions of dollars of R@D and testing and everything else gets defeated by a 24 cent hose clamp.
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Its not the clamp. Its something in the crank case blocking the passage of oil and then it builds pressure and pops the line off. Some say its the bearing moving over and others (which have my vote) are saying it was to much sealant on the case when it was assembled. I read all the banter on SW and Indy Dan and his opinions. I am on HCS as well. Other than the GDF there is nothing for motor problems in the Polaris forum. Like I said I am not gonna let it bother me as these same "the sky is falling" threads happened last year on the doo 850. They happened when poo came with the 800 ho a few years ago. If mine goes pop it will get fixed under warranty. If it goes pop again i won't own it very long. I have had good luck with poo motors except for the one Indy Dan built for me. Sucks to have trouble but if this thing wasn't tested and reliable do you really think they would have put a 4 year warranty on it? I am guessing it was a small run of motors that got to much sealant.
 
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thebreeze

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From what I have seen, "too much sealant" affects the center crank bearings. The PTO bearing line is affected by the bearing either moving in the case, or being installed in the improper location at the factory. I believe mine to be the latter.
 
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kdoffing said:
Talked to a line worker at Polaris and was told not to buy 850 POO.
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Years ago Polaris had some program where if you snowchecked a sled they would invite you to come and witness the assembly of the sled. This was 30 years ago. Anyway I went to see my Pol get built. I don't even remember the model. Doesn't matter. Anyway I do remember that here was a very liberal use of rubber mallots used all along the line when things didn't quite line up. When it was all finished I wasn't sure if I wanted it or not. LOL. But it turned out fine. I am sure all the factories are like that.
 
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I doubt insufficient testing, In my industry I have sat at many of new product releases, listened to claims of thousands of hours of testing, listened to end users that were given the product to try and once the product goes into production it ends up being a complete piece of crap. I can remember an engine manufacturers engineers saying this new engine was the best thing that ever came off their line, and not only was it a piece but was one of the worst engines to walk the face of the earth and they are still recovering from it yet. Sometimes when something goes into production quality of parts may be different or compromised to keep costs down, could be a production/assembly issue or simple human error and sometimes testing doesn't duplicate real world use. Im sure they are in panic mode trying to find out problem or cause, I can also assure you that they watch sites like this closely as this type of issue is not good PR for them. They also may not have come out yet as if they do everyone who purchased one may not be affected, and Im sure if a production issue they can narrow it down to serial number range and dates of production. For their sake I hope they can resolve it quickly as the season is very short and these toys aren't getting any cheaper, and although things do and can happen when you buy something new the hope is not to have any problems. The duration of warranty put forth by a manufacturer also speaks volumes of haw they believe in what they have produced.
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Perhaps as in insufficient testing???? It appears to be more likely so. As Poo seems to be evasive for reasons of the oil line coming off???
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euphoric1 said:
I doubt insufficient testing, In my industry I have sat at many of new product releases, listened to claims of thousands of hours of testing, listened to end users that were given the product to try and once the product goes into production it ends up being a complete piece of crap. I can remember an engine manufacturers engineers saying this new engine was the best thing that ever came off their line, and not only was it a piece but was one of the worst engines to walk the face of the earth and they are still recovering from it yet. Sometimes when something goes into production quality of parts may be different or compromised to keep costs down, could be a production/assembly issue or simple human error and sometimes testing doesn't duplicate real world use. Im sure they are in panic mode trying to find out problem or cause, I can also assure you that they watch sites like this closely as this type of issue is not good PR for them. They also may not have come out yet as if they do everyone who purchased one may not be affected, and Im sure if a production issue they can narrow it down to serial number range and dates of production. For their sake I hope they can resolve it quickly as the season is very short and these toys aren't getting any cheaper, and although things do and can happen when you buy something new the hope is not to have any problems. The duration of warranty put forth by a manufacturer also speaks volumes of haw they believe in what they have produced.
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I agree....I think quality control is biggest reason why some manufactures excel and others don't...not so much the design, but the quality of the parts and skills and pride of the workers. The mentality of workers say in Japan is different from someone working in the US and they don't let things slide as easily. The same sled built in Japan will most likely be a better machine than one built here.

Although I will say duration of warranty doesn't sway me anymore...as when the rubber meets the road a lot of manufactures can get around claims or pass them down the line.
 
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I don't know how widespread problem is or will be but sure has been fun razzing buddies who bought them!!! Lol
 
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POLARISDAN said:
yow..i cant even imagine sayin crap to a bud who paid 15 k for a sled and it took a sh*t..ive been there..someday u will too
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All in good fun man........and it didn't take a crap ....yet....but he's nervous. Lol
Told him probably be one of us break down anyways.
 
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snobuilder

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thebreeze said:
From what I have seen, "too much sealant" affects the center crank bearings. The PTO bearing line is affected by the bearing either moving in the case, or being installed in the improper location at the factory. I believe mine to be the latter.
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The sealant would have to have been applied up and over the pto bearing to cause a problem because the oil line is at the 12 oclock position on the bearing. From the Poolaris 850 assembly video i watched the sealant is precisely applied roboticly to the bottom case half....no human error.
 
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snobuilder said:
The sealant would have to have been applied up and over the pto bearing to cause a problem because the oil line is at the 12 oclock position on the bearing. From the Poolaris 850 assembly video i watched the sealant is precisely applied roboticly to the bottom case half....no human error.
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I'm thinking snobuilder hit the nail on the head with the pto bearing movement. Seems there is nothing such as a locating pin, snap ring, or something to prevent this unwanted movement other than "tight", "precision" fit??? Not a good idea!!! Durability testing surely should have shown this as being able to happen???
 
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Beta testing by customers who’ve already bought your supposed final product... not just reserved for the tech sector, apparently.
 
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