Snowmobilers drinking while sledding - what do you do

[wisyooper1]

Did they cause you any harm to your person or property?? Then stay out of their business. Thats my opinion. We are all adults here folks.

I agree!!

 

[chevytaHOE5674]

I don't know a single Yooper that would carry a gun while sledding unless it was to a hunting spot! I guess when people are raised in the city they have a different outlook on life! And no the wolves aren't going to track you down and eat ya either.

Must not be many yoopers in the Chassell area. I know plenty of locals that were born and raised here that carry all day everyday be it in a car or on a sled...

 

[olsmann]

As a ccw permit holder myself Im all for conceal and carry. And I fully support ones right to bear arms to protect himself, his family and property at all times. But why do so many who do it seem to want to brag and talk about it every chance they get? And they seem to want everyone to know about it. Its seems the term "CONCEAL" implies hiding the fact that you carry. Strap up, lock and load and keep your big yap shut. There is no need for the whole world to know about it. Some people are uncomfortable or imtimindated about it and i believe telling everyone you carry a gun could invite more trouble to yourself then anything. Its almost as if they wanna talk about it to intimidate people.

Go forth and carry everyday and everywhere its legal and not a single person on earth ever needs to know about it unless they mean to bring harm your way.

 

[craigrev]

x2

 

[tomx]

I just Snow Checked one of these, I'm covered!

Now that is funny

 

[chicagosledder]

Seeing as hand guns are illegal in Chicago, you must be a law abiding citizen.

CCW - Glock 27 40s&w - never leave home with out it.

Handguns used to be ilegal in Chicago, they are now legal. Also it was a city municipal violation which is the same as a parking ticket. If you live here and don't own a gun you need your head examined.

 

[buddah2]

Wow. Things must be tough up in the UP. I've lived in the Chicago area for all of my 48 years, and can't think of ONE time I needed a gun.

When LE response time is measured with a calendar, sometimes you just need to take precautions yourself..........FWIW

 

[Grant Hoar]

Originally Posted by slimcake
Did they cause you any harm to your person or property?? Then stay out of their business. Thats my opinion. We are all adults here folks.

I am a bit confused here. On numerous other threads there are conversations about policing ourselves in regards to offtrail abuse, policing ourselves regarding loud cans, etc, because of their effects on snowmobiling.

Aren't drunk snowmobilers just as much of a danger to the the sport than those items? I guess maybe I should have created a poll to see what people do in the instances where they run into excessive drinking.

There is a wide range of opinions on what people do, from nothing, to consider shooting them , to offering them a drive home. That range of ideas is what I was looking for, thats all

 

[rsvectordude]

Must not be many yoopers in the Chassell area. I know plenty of locals that were born and raised here that carry all day everyday be it in a car or on a sled...

Well my whole family and alot of my friends have CPL licenses but none of them feel the need to carry when they sled. Yes in the cars but that's because sometimes they travel! We all bar hop so carrying is out of the question and we have too much fun to consider it!

 

[chevytaHOE5674]

Well my whole family and alot of my friends have CPL licenses but none of them feel the need to carry when they sled. Yes in the cars but that's because sometimes they travel! We all bar hop so carrying is out of the question and we have too much fun to consider it!

So they travel in a car but not on a sled??? Hahaha. I don't drink and if I did I would never drink and ride. Don't see any reason not to carry. Pistol is so small and light I can't even tell its there, its like underwear to me I never leave home without it.

 

[xsledder]

So they travel in a car but not on a sled??? Hahaha. I don't drink and if I did I would never drink and ride. Don't see any reason not to carry. Pistol is so small and light I can't even tell its there, its like underwear to me I never leave home without it.

In my 30+ years of riding sleds in Illinois, Iowa, Wisconsin, Michigan, Minnesota, Wyoming, Idaho, and Montana, I have NEVER felt the need to carry a gun.

One late night in Yellowstone our group came across Bison sleeping on the trail. Two of them didn't like our presence and would charge at us if we moved the sleds or got off the sleds. So, we sat for an hour enjoying the night's sky during which they finally gave up on charging us. So we slowly left the area. Now, if I had a pistol with me and if I would have shot the Bison because I was supposedly threaten by them charging me, the only thing I would have done is pissed-off a group of 1 ton animals.

So, even in this remote of a chance example whereby the gun might be needed (charging Bison), it wasn't.

 

[yooperrev]

And the person who gave that guy a lift, is a JD member, yooperrev. Tim, you are class act!

Thanks Skyler and cuzzinolaf it was my pleasure to help out! Not only for the wellbeing of a fellow sledder, but in hoping others will notice and do the same to help others out when in time of need. On a side note it makes for a tense couple of seconds but the thanks he gave on the way to his cabin was priceless! Happy trails.

 

[Banks93]

Two wrongs don't make a right. Help them out and turn the cheek if something happens. Anyone bringing a gun to a situation isn't going to help any situation. Treat someone in kind and you should get the same response back from them. Be an alfa male and you will probably get a response for that will create a bad situation. Be happy life is too short to worry so much.

 

[Mark@TimberlineSports]

Fast forward:

Making his way back to the parking lot where the trailers parked, he is passed by four sleds that are blazing a fast past in the opposite direction...and he notices they all had special badging on the sleds but they passed by him so fast that he could not tell what markings they had...one appeared to be a sheriff sled...be he could not tell they were "making haste"

Arriving at his destination, he hears 4 cop cars with sirens blaring and lights flashing. People are gathering at the trail head and he naturally stops to see what the commotion is all about. He learns that 4 fatalities/ occurred "back down the trail a ways" with head on crashes of "some sort" and that the rescue sleds are part way back waiting for ambulances to arrive. First responders are waiting by the road with flares and flashlights blinking.

Now that very sinking feeling hits him that the worst thing possible has happened and HE might have had a chance to prevent it. Meanwhile the headlights of two sleds come bobbing out of the woods with guys shouting over the roar of the motors....and people jump into action. "These two are alive....."

Still think that he should have stood by and "tossed a few down" with those sledders? Do you really think that any weapons and who was carrying and who wasn't is the issue here? Somebody has to "make the call" to relatives and it isn't going to be something they will enjoy. Funeral arrangements must begin, and family members must be notified, kids must be excused for a week or two of absences to take care of grieving….that sort of thing.

After reading some of the responses on here, I can definitely see the "line" where some folks would be the bystanders "staying out of it" and where some would be the Good Samaritan, jumping in at any cost to try and prevent something terrible from happening. It saddens me to think that all John Dee'ers would not be of the second order here and not the first order. But society is like this these days....and we are not all raised with the same ethical standards.

Time of need is not necessarily someone lying there in a pool of blood on the side of the trail...and this is an example where some obvious issues came to light, innocently and genuine concern for the lives of those guys was paramount.

Just the idea that he brought this up on this snowmobiling website makes me proud to be in association with him. For the record, I would have called at first opportunity, and I would NOT have been concerned about being the TRAIL POLICE and if it was ME that put the spotlight on THOSE guys who might have had too much to drink, then I would feel happy as possible that I did something to at least try and end a group of drinkers who were on an extended ride and binge....not because I am worried about them in particular, but that the family out there riding home with perhaps some younger kids in the group might have been saved from the above scenario. IF these guys survived is a side note to saving the lives of those who did NOT have the benefit of seeing that these guys “probably” were 4 sheets to the wind…or at least a couple of them suggested that they had “downed” a few.

And I thank you for even trying to find out what to do. It means you have morals and care about your fellow sledders. It means that your concern for them, and far more importantly, others on the trail was where it should have been and that you COULD have just shrugged your shoulders and said…”oh well…boys will be boys….”

Now carry on about carrying weapons and the need to blast a fellow sledder or wild animal who might take you on as an enemy of the woods. It should take precedence and is by far the more important topic in this thread.</SPAN>

really??????

COME ON........ REALLY????????

You need a job writing for "days of our lives".

-Mark
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[98panther]

Carrying to protect yourself from attacks from wildlife is hilarious. Stay in the city if your that scared.

church, the bank, the sitters and vet.... now that I understand !

 

[rsvectordude]

I'm just wondering what everyone with CPL's do when they enter a bar for food on their sleds! I'm sure they're not tucked away in a windshield bag! HMMMMM looks like metal detectors in bars sound like a good idea now!

 

[jonesin]

I'm just wondering what everyone with CPL's do when they enter a bar for food on their sleds! I'm sure they're not tucked away in a windshield bag! HMMMMM looks like metal detectors in bars sound like a good idea now!

oh, good idea, why don't you get some "screeners" to pat you down while you're at it.
you have way more to fear from those without CPL's than those with them.
it makes me feel more comfortable knowing those that carry are around, safety in numbers!

 

[qber]

I have no problem with a firearm caried for hunting or if going back into the woods for protection against 4 legged predatiors if you really feel you need it- no problem. But carrying a firearm to "protect your family from 2 legged predators" while on a trail?? -come on -get serious. If you shoot an unarmed person -that definately will not make your day and if the other guy is armed, figure you will not win in a draw unless you are clint eastwood. The bottom line- If your reason for packing a weapon is for protection against 2 legged threats, let me know because I want at lest 20 miles between us and I realy don't want you on the trails unless you are a sworn officer of the law.

 

[rsvectordude]

oh, good idea, why don't you get some "screeners" to pat you down while you're at it.
you have way more to fear from those without CPL's than those with them.
it makes me feel more comfortable knowing those that carry are around, safety in numbers!

I don't have anything to fear while snowmobiling in the UP period except my sled breaking down leaving me in the middle of nowhere. Do i feel more comfortable that someone who is paranoid is carrying while drinking at a bar! **** no bring on the detectors and throw their asses in the parking lot!

 

[chicagosledder]

Wow. Things must be tough up in the UP. I've lived in the Chicago area for all of my 48 years, and can't think of ONE time I needed a gun.

Since when did Des Plaines become part of Chicago. I on the other hand have lived in Chicago my entire life and can think of several times where a firearm would of came in handy. And yes I never leave the house without one.