bingo.
The end is near
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bingo.
I agree Doo is pushing mountain segment products, it is in all my emails from them.
Why? PROFITABILITY; IT HAS NOTHING ELSE TO DO WITH IT!
I still think Doo does a poor job marketing their sleds from Canada to U.S. residents and Poo does the best job.
Oh yeah, some folks are saying Arctic Cat is staying around; most likely. That statement does not mean their snowmobiles are. If you recall, Polaris used to make and sell PWC's and Victory cycles, once a company figures out they cant compete or profits have been a loss for several years in a row it's on to something else; at least the smart companies do.
Bear
Cat snowmobiles aren't going anywhere. I think it's a good move to snow check only. It's the same as Polaris 850 snow check only, and guess what you can find Polaris 850's easy.
Also I like the new Riot 800X-The green and blue is cool looking with a host of upgrades in my opinion.
Also I like the new Riot 800X-The green and blue is cool looking with a host of upgrades in my opinion.
No disrespect here as I respect your opinion.
My statement about any sled company that does pre-order only; THEY ARE SCREWING THEIR CUSTOMERS. Why? Look at the annual cycle of pricing/rebates;
-Late February to late April 2019 is generally pre-order. Customers pay about $1,000-$1,500 less than MSRP.
-November-Mid December 2019. Customers get pre-ordered sled.
-January 1, 2020. Rebates go up about $500-$1,000.
-Late January 2020 to first week of February 2020. Rebates increase another $500-$1,000.
The customer pays more to pre-order with all the benefits going to the manufacturer. The MFG better knows how much raw materials to order, how many to build and how to staff their operations.
The Dealer gets nothing, as to be competitive their discount is about the same all year round.
The customer gets their sled 4-8 weeks earlier than those that did not pre-order and pays $1,000-$2,000 more and takes the risk that there will be snow for those 4-8 weeks.
Bear
Not completely true...
I pre-ordered my 2018 ZR 6000 and my purchase price was $9400 plus tax. No freight/no set-up. Plus I got $700 in Cat cash for accessories and a 2 year warranty. I made out far better than if I would have waited for any rebates..etc..I certainly did not pay $1000 to $2000 more by pre-ordering.
Perhaps those manny's figured out your "game plan", as being against their "floor plan"? Good hunting fuji! Remember, there's always a way! You explained their "system" very well!
I almost forgot, this is not applicable to Cat as they still sell 2013-2019 sleds.
Bear
Oh? Yamaha had quite a few old ones out there too? Are they pretty much gone now? Some were really, really, priced cheap too. For a Yami rider, there where some really awesome deals!
The complaint I have heard the most of Doo's 2020 line up is the lack of Blizzard model offerings. Most liked the Blizzard who bought them as good value, many goodies, and much better ride than a shorty. I'm not surprised at any of these manny's cutting back what so ever. Perhaps, the widening area of good snow to ride has lightened up the left over inventory somewhat? Once the sled is more than a 1 year left over, good luck moving it with out a major discount!
The complaint I have heard the most of Doo's 2020 line up is the lack of Blizzard model offerings. Most liked the Blizzard who bought them as good value, many goodies, and much better ride than a shorty. I'm not surprised at any of these manny's cutting back what so ever. Perhaps, the widening area of good snow to ride has lightened up the left over inventory somewhat? Once the sled is more than a 1 year left over, good luck moving it with out a major discount!
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ICT Sledder
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Was finally able to actually get the AC website to load this morning, so was able to poke around.
I know some think it’s irrelevant to talk sled looks/colors/graphics (as if those same guys aren't using appearances when they buy a house, bike, truck, or when dating... whatever), but really whoever is in charge of this stuff at Cat needs to be fired. The 2020’s have some of the most random combos I’ve ever seen - primarily black with green accent sleds (that’s fine) with copper or bright white skis, spindles or track rails (what the... ?). Looks like something that would happen if you gave an 8th grader a new sled and some cans of plasti-dip, but nope, straight from the AC factory’s design team. After the 2019 green/purple fiasco the 2020 design team was like “hold my beer”.
Oh Polaris with the Indy XC, how you call my name. Never thought I’d say that.
I know some think it’s irrelevant to talk sled looks/colors/graphics (as if those same guys aren't using appearances when they buy a house, bike, truck, or when dating... whatever), but really whoever is in charge of this stuff at Cat needs to be fired. The 2020’s have some of the most random combos I’ve ever seen - primarily black with green accent sleds (that’s fine) with copper or bright white skis, spindles or track rails (what the... ?). Looks like something that would happen if you gave an 8th grader a new sled and some cans of plasti-dip, but nope, straight from the AC factory’s design team. After the 2019 green/purple fiasco the 2020 design team was like “hold my beer”.
Oh Polaris with the Indy XC, how you call my name. Never thought I’d say that.
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I got a good chuckle about the "Indy getting married" thing. Did not even dawn on me the connection. Funny stuff. Don't let them scare you Indy. Wives are like sleds. Some days they are the best thing in the world, other times the biggest P.I.T.A! I hear the same things can be said for husbands!
Getting back on topic... Since I have had this discussion board, there have been predictions that Polaris was getting out of the snowmobile industry. Yamaha was and now Arctic Cat. I am not smart enough to be able to figure out if these rumors hold any weight each time they come out, but we are 0 for 2 so far.
I also know pretty much next to nothing about how corporations think (other than making money is #1, all else second), but can someone explain to me why a very successful company like Textron would buy AC and then shut it down after not re-cooping much of their investment dollars? It just makes no sense to this simple minded man.
-John
Getting back on topic... Since I have had this discussion board, there have been predictions that Polaris was getting out of the snowmobile industry. Yamaha was and now Arctic Cat. I am not smart enough to be able to figure out if these rumors hold any weight each time they come out, but we are 0 for 2 so far.
I also know pretty much next to nothing about how corporations think (other than making money is #1, all else second), but can someone explain to me why a very successful company like Textron would buy AC and then shut it down after not re-cooping much of their investment dollars? It just makes no sense to this simple minded man.
-John
Good money after bad is my thought?
Neither Textron or A/C has what recreational buyers want (maybe they do for work, I don't know).
Why?
-Horrible depreciation
-Ugly appearance
Who in their right mind would buy one (unless they bough extremely cheap on mega-rebate) as Polaris has what everyone wants; reliability, good cost per mile and they look pretty darned good.
Bear
C'mon Mr. Dee, we all know "simple" and "smart" can mean the same thing and in your case it does!
Now for Textron and A/C, mergers and acquisitions generally occur as one company knows something they can do to increase market share, use economies of scale and ultimately lead to profitability.
Check out the pop-up ad at Textron..
https://textronoffroad.txtsv.com/
What good will this merger do? Nothing in my opinion as they can't beat Polaris.
Bear
ICT Sledder
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The 2020 Sno Pros only come with a 1" track, and a 1" lowered ride height - basically the Thundercat setup. Clear as day on the site. Go figure that out.
Really looks like whatever individual or group that is now in charge of the sled line in TRF doesn't actually ride or have a background in sledding.
Really looks like whatever individual or group that is now in charge of the sled line in TRF doesn't actually ride or have a background in sledding.
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I don't disagree with your facts fuji. Spot on you are. However that is now, and it does have to change. For better, or worse? So I may very well be wrong, and perhaps your good money after bad could be right. Chit happens. But I think Textron knows this, and so does AC. Such as building too many of the same sleds, with only few differences, for way too long? And then producing the same sleds, with only minor differences, but with 2 different retail brands on them? As in the Yama/Cats. Creating your own competition, eh? GM ring a bell? AC, and Suzuki already tried this deal before, and it didn't work! With the right changes, and a few years, it could make a big difference. Again, if it's done right. There are a lot of holes in the AC sled line up for 2020 now. If they fill those holes with what people want, and like, they win. AC has encountered many large problems through out its history. Perhaps? Who knows?
Textron going to AC Rec vehicles eliminates them competing against themselves? Is that the future? AC name more so "known" than "Textron" is as Rec vehicle brand? Idk?
Textron going to AC Rec vehicles eliminates them competing against themselves? Is that the future? AC name more so "known" than "Textron" is as Rec vehicle brand? Idk?
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sweeperguy
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It's not about looks. It's about ride
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Cirrus_Driver
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Yup!
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