indy_500
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You may need to go to the eye doctor if you think Poo's IQ chassis resembles a rev...?
the Polaris 5 rule
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You may need to go to the eye doctor if you think Poo's IQ chassis resembles a rev...?
POLARISDAN
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aint bashing it poo brother..just saying..my oil was adjusted to the proper mix after the first factory meltdown(which I never knew about)..im not mechanical..i use poo gold oil..i just run hard and fast and I think its too much..but that pro r switch was the best trail sled ever..so I really believe ill buy 2 800 assaults next year..then ill have 4 800's and 1 600..enuf for any meltdowns
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I understand ur suggestion..and prob shuld get on another sled to try..but it would just seem weird
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Yeah, it's called riding in sub-zero temps with not enough oil to compensate the temp. Could be a tad on the throttle happy side at the same time, makes for a disastrous recipe, especially for them poo motors, sorry, I couldn't resist.-Mezz
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yea..very possible..running cold up in UP at high speeds..had a full shutdown middle of trail..it started with a little throttle..watched it close for overheat next 2 days..no prob..got back to mn and put it in the ditch and bam..total shutdown..tried to limp it in and the biatch started on fire..yow
momoney2123
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The whole rider foward, pyramidical frame concept was copied and is what every single chassis is based off of today.
We all know they copy best designs, reverse, RAVE valves, and chassis
I mean back when the IQ came out in what 04/05 it was a direct copy of the rev no doubt about it
I was referencing Trees there's nothing close comment
on a side note i do need to see an eye doctor
We all know they copy best designs, reverse, RAVE valves, and chassis
I mean back when the IQ came out in what 04/05 it was a direct copy of the rev no doubt about it
I was referencing Trees there's nothing close comment
on a side note i do need to see an eye doctor
POLARISDAN
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and of course my failsafe 600 iq efi saved the weekend..always ready to rumble
POLARISDAN
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if I could wrench..im so bad..add oil and gas..pull trigger
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how come u ride alone so much?..i should know I did for years..but with these meltdowns its getting scary
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how come u ride alone so much?..i should know I did for years..but with these meltdowns its getting scary
pwolfy2003
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I gotta chime in a little , the 800 motor is an awesome motor but if you get to that 4 to 5000 mile point watch out. That is the problem Polaris doesnt give a rip about fixing the problem because most people run out of warranty before they get that mile mark and then they have to pay to fix it themselves.Myself I put that on in a year and very few do so Polaris only has to warranty a very small percentage so they dont care..... It was not a very easy decision to switch to Yamaha but Im glad I finally did. Was on Poos for 23 years .As far as these 4s being tanks that is a lot of B.S. You hardly notice it on trails but off trail is a different story as they dont float as good , but Im a trail rider for the most part so its an awesome sled for me. out.......
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how come u ride alone so much?..i should know I did for years..but with these meltdowns its getting scary[/QUOTE]
Even when I ride with buds I have 13 miles of nothing unplowed FRs & lakes to cross no one there to help on my own. Then often I do ride alone no one available so just go ride no worries & Yamaha 4s have been perfect sled for me now on 2012 Apex XTX & 144 tipped helps a lot in the deep stuff over Attack 136 GT. Like pwolfy2003 I got tired of doo 800 2s melt downs bought Yamaha never looked back now on 2nd Yamah after 10K trouble free miles on Attak. EPS & 144 tipped is the real deal yes heavy to bench press but not to ride. IMO reading your posts best advice would be to get your butt on Viper 136 & test ride Apex XTX or SE. I'm thinking coming off poo you would like riding position of Viper simular position I perfer Apex but that is me. IMO Viper with eps & turbo would be 1 kickass sled without eps & no turbo didn't float my boat....but just me. On the good side you are already working with Pat's so Kip will let you test ride for best choice of next sled.
how come u ride alone so much?..i should know I did for years..but with these meltdowns its getting scary[/QUOTE]
Even when I ride with buds I have 13 miles of nothing unplowed FRs & lakes to cross no one there to help on my own. Then often I do ride alone no one available so just go ride no worries & Yamaha 4s have been perfect sled for me now on 2012 Apex XTX & 144 tipped helps a lot in the deep stuff over Attack 136 GT. Like pwolfy2003 I got tired of doo 800 2s melt downs bought Yamaha never looked back now on 2nd Yamah after 10K trouble free miles on Attak. EPS & 144 tipped is the real deal yes heavy to bench press but not to ride. IMO reading your posts best advice would be to get your butt on Viper 136 & test ride Apex XTX or SE. I'm thinking coming off poo you would like riding position of Viper simular position I perfer Apex but that is me. IMO Viper with eps & turbo would be 1 kickass sled without eps & no turbo didn't float my boat....but just me. On the good side you are already working with Pat's so Kip will let you test ride for best choice of next sled.
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lenny
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Today I stopped in at Pat's yamaha and guess who just pulled in,,,,Nick keller so I stopped and chatted with him for about 10 mins. Nick has a 2010 Vector and this Thursday he will turn 70,000 miles. Right now he has 68, 877,,,well that was at 3:30 pm so it's more now. Nick is still on original motor and it's not been apart. Since he runs sustained speeds at 60 mph his belt wear into the sheaves of the clutches so he has learned to replace his clutches at 10,000 miles roughly. he gets average 5500 miles out of a belt. He has used up 5 tracks and still on original skis but likes the Bergstrom because of the easy steering. He'll run over 80,000 by the end of this season if the sled holds up and at his point he is doing just fine. Recently he just got exhaust doughnuts replaced again and has been through a few sets of those but they do wear out. i didn't have a chance to ask him all the other questions like bearings and stuff but none the less he still has a very reliable sled,,,and a sled that is close to 70,000 miles. He likes the ride of his sled and it's comfortable for him and often his speed is 60-65 he says. Nick is a great guy and he does this high mileage thing for raising money for cancer things, an incredible cause!
Point of me mentioning this is if you even thought of trying this on a poo 800 you may as well go to the brain doctor and get a hole drilled into your head, you'd be better off. Why anyone would not consider a 4s for trail riding is beyond me. Personally I think the Cat none turbo is a pig and with all the clutch issues I wouldn't even consider one. A cat with the yam motor is a sweet setup or the Viper is sweet. Doo has a great ride with the 1200. Nice chassis with great power and excellent rider position. Yamaha has a incredible set up in the Apex or Vector still but don';t take my word for it, you have nothing to loose test riding one and that would be the single most important factor in decision making. Many of us, including myself, can only tell what we experience but you can experience it for yourself and decide what you like but the poo 800 in a trail sled will only last a few seasons if that,,, add severe cold and low oil consumption, people not warming sled up,,,you'll have a problem. Remember when the 4s came into moto-x. It was not for a few seasons till someone won on one than it was game on. Don't let image scare you,,after all, don't you want to ride and not fix?
Polaris has some really good stuff and rules in the Mtn department and their RZR are wicked. So the 800 has earned a bad rap, rightfully so, it doesn't make Poo a bad company.
Try something ease even though it will be weird. It's weird now that I am riding poo but I wouldn't have it any other way because that Pro RMK has earned all the hype it has received. maybe in a few years poo will have a great 4s and with their incredible suspensions you'll have the best of the best,,but it's gonna take a lot to beat doo and Yam in that department
Point of me mentioning this is if you even thought of trying this on a poo 800 you may as well go to the brain doctor and get a hole drilled into your head, you'd be better off. Why anyone would not consider a 4s for trail riding is beyond me. Personally I think the Cat none turbo is a pig and with all the clutch issues I wouldn't even consider one. A cat with the yam motor is a sweet setup or the Viper is sweet. Doo has a great ride with the 1200. Nice chassis with great power and excellent rider position. Yamaha has a incredible set up in the Apex or Vector still but don';t take my word for it, you have nothing to loose test riding one and that would be the single most important factor in decision making. Many of us, including myself, can only tell what we experience but you can experience it for yourself and decide what you like but the poo 800 in a trail sled will only last a few seasons if that,,, add severe cold and low oil consumption, people not warming sled up,,,you'll have a problem. Remember when the 4s came into moto-x. It was not for a few seasons till someone won on one than it was game on. Don't let image scare you,,after all, don't you want to ride and not fix?
Polaris has some really good stuff and rules in the Mtn department and their RZR are wicked. So the 800 has earned a bad rap, rightfully so, it doesn't make Poo a bad company.
Try something ease even though it will be weird. It's weird now that I am riding poo but I wouldn't have it any other way because that Pro RMK has earned all the hype it has received. maybe in a few years poo will have a great 4s and with their incredible suspensions you'll have the best of the best,,but it's gonna take a lot to beat doo and Yam in that department
POLARISDAN
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yea ..u and whitedust make a good point..ill take my 8's UP next year and go see kip..try riding a few 4s..funny never been on one and have this huge attitude against them..
groomerdriver
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I don't think he'd like the lack of power in the Viper vs. the Poo 800....but then again, maybe he wouldn't mind?
POLARISDAN
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yep prob right...fast and power is what I like..the 800 assault would be for forest roads and stuff..so less overall miles..so..idk..cant hurt to test ride em tho
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lenny
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Hey, so did I, I know what you mean my brotha of the snow
I have to disagree with you on this one, the viper motor pull hard and so does the poo 800, I have one. IMO the Viper feels stronger, definitely much more responsive and has the snap that you would not expect from a 4s.
Have you ridden one?
600_RMK_144
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Dang. Sorry to hear you had another blow up!
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fusion
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I heard guys were complaining some of the Vipers were topping out at 90-95, so they weren't happy.
The Vector and Nytro both pull hard up until 90, then flatten out fast. I agree mid range is great, but if you have to go 100, it'll be a stretch.
The big negative with the Viper is 1st yr model, need to get a few more years to work the kinks out. Also the Cat suspension a major turn off.
Other than double wishbone, what innovative suspension config has Cat ever brought to the table? They've never been a leader in suspension tech.
The Vector and Nytro both pull hard up until 90, then flatten out fast. I agree mid range is great, but if you have to go 100, it'll be a stretch.
The big negative with the Viper is 1st yr model, need to get a few more years to work the kinks out. Also the Cat suspension a major turn off.
Other than double wishbone, what innovative suspension config has Cat ever brought to the table? They've never been a leader in suspension tech.
groomerdriver
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Yes and I own a sled with the same 3 cyl motor as the Viper. Don't know how the Viper is geared vs. a Vector. BUT....you know that 2S power feels different than 4S power. A 3 cyl 4S feels stronger to me as well but if I'm busting through the 3' of powder I can play in the 9 acres around me, I'll take my 500 liquid Poo over the Vector anyday and Sundays. Light, nimble and not a tank pushing thru snow. BUT..have not been on a Viper in the deep stuff but just like my Vec, I wouldn't want to get it stuck!
MNBlizzard
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No, not true. The Vector motor is similar but is not the same as the nytro! Vector is tuned much differently and puts out less HP than the Nytro. However, I wouldn't say a Viper would pull on a Poo 800 and I have a nytro and ride with Poo 800 guys. A 4-stroke power band is very fun and one that I prefer but those 800's go right now too. Heck if Dan bought a Viper XTX, put a turbo on it, he'd have a great long lasting, more powerful (180hp) sled than the Switchback Assault any day and will save thousands over buying 2 Poos.
snobuilder
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weight wise and trailer length wise you might be better off with the one tank vs. the 5 poos....just sayin.
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lenny
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I wouldn't ride any Yamaha in 3' of powder for more than like 10 minutes. Crossover sleds just don't cut it when in the deep, add some steep and they plain suck. Typical crossover sled is good for logging roads with some powder and not so steep and deep, good for trail. 3 ft powder expect crossover sleds to suffer compared to long tracks. Viper will outperform Nytro IMO, cat chassis superior to Nytro chassis and with 135 hp motor, viper is a milestone for 4s performance. It's all about evolution and where we go from here,,who knows but somehow we'll get there.
You can ride 140'ish in backwoods but compared to 155+, you'll wonder why you bother, working so hard for less gain and fun. Byrn71 had a 800 xfire and rode the heck out of it but than he got a pro and whole different ballgame. I understand we are not talking about pro's here but vector is a hybrid trail sled IMO and a tank is right, has no place in the deep
Well....i just switched to a poo 600 switch the other day at pats. Been riding yamis for 17 years. Have had several 4 strokes. Most recent was a 11 apex se. Great sled! But after the last few trips i felt i was starting to get bored with it...i found i missed the lighter weight sleds, the fun playful factor. I ride trails primarily but like to play off trail too. So i traded. Never even rode one. Did my research. Kip and joe made sure this thing was setup and inspected and ready to. So i put 250 miles on it so far and love it. No it wont go 110mph. But i dont need that anymore. I want 20-60 punch and snap. Obviously there are faster quicker and lighter sleds out there but i decided to go with the poo. I was close to getting a doo 1200 gade. Maybe next time. I like the idea of the viper but it needs some refinement yet. I rode a viper xtx at pats...and my budy has a new nytro xtx. Viper not as snappy as the nytro. Im not the first one to say that. Viper much better trail sled thougn. So ya, i bought a poo. Back to 2 strokes. Gonna do everyhing possible to protect the engine and make it last a few thousand miles then probably sell it or trade it to kip for something newer. I have been wanting yami to come out with something more playful and fun and agile since the old viper...they have tried. But for me not quite there yet. 4s definitely the way to go if you want a reliable motor. But thats where it ends. All sleds still need new tracks, belts, clutches, shocks, chaincase lube, exhaust donuts, bearings, etc etc. so i was like **** with it. Im getting something different. Wanna try something new. Only live once. I dont miss the 30hp from the apex to the switch 600. Ripping through the trails you never notice it. Off trail the switch definitely better. Easier to maneuver. Floats, turns sharp. Anyway i like my decision. Holefully it wont blow up tonight when im out riding in our fresh 10" we are gonna get. If it does...oh well. 2yr powertrain warranty. But would still suck regardless.