polarisrider1
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Agree! lol.
things not to say in a job review/raises
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Agree! lol.
quit pissing money away on expensive toys learn what u can and all u can take business classes at night hustle your way in to your own small shop make big promises on fulfillment get that contract that contract and your saved cash will get u the equipment u need .
other wise hate to tell u working stiffs who do not take a lot of risks are just working stiffs there whole life and die bitter.
other wise hate to tell u working stiffs who do not take a lot of risks are just working stiffs there whole life and die bitter.
polarisrider1
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Hey, hey leave me out of this!!!! Gave up a $42,000 a year job when I was 20 to 22 (back in 1980-82) that was insane money back then for a 20 year old. I started out as a Plating Chemist. Was not my thing. But they said I was very good at it.
Find what you like to do and then it is not "work." Self employed last 32 years and never looked back. I do appreciate that 1st job for the 4 years of college they paid for. Point is they gave it all to me up front and they maxed out for raises, benefits, corner office with fridge, etc. I had nothing to work towards and the challenge was soon lost. I quickly moved on. Smart Companies will dangle the carrot as long as they can, then monitor your progress, attitude and actual value you add to making them wealth. Keep in mind and many forget this in the daily grind, You are there for them, they did not open the doors to create jobs, they opened the doors to create wealth. As soon as they can get a machine to load and unload that CNC machine your days will be numbered.
Indy is your apprenticeship recognized by the the Dept. of Labor and will you get a letter from them stating you are a Journeyman once you have completed it. If so stick with this company until you have completed your apprenticeship if it is not then find a shop that has a program recognized by the Dept. of Labor. If you so choose to go to a union shop when you have completed your apprenticeship they will ask for this letter and a notarized copy of all your work hours. Be patient a good worker will be recognized and remember until you get that letter you really aren't marketable to another company. BTW I'll roll over 65,000 hrs this year as a Tool Maker, there good paying jobs out there you'll have to look for them though.
Bradzoo
Bradzoo
I think I just peed myself.
polarisrider1
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Christmas vacation.
That there is some good advice.
Precisely. One of the greatest movies ever!
indy_500
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Yes it is. Only thing I'm worried about is i'm already over 60% done with the schooling and still have 2 classes left for the remainder of my first year but I need 8000 hours at work to complete it and It will take me roughly 3.5 years of work to complete the needed hours from when I started last fall. I do live within my means and have no money troubles, I stay away from loans and am probably one of the cheapest 19 year olds you could meet. I guess I'm just frustrated watching the "2nd shift work ethic" and listening to the guys complain about trying to meet the routed time on the job. If I were to start my own business I can already tell you it would not be a machine shop.
Indy that 8000 hrs is important, as for work ethic let me say you haven't seen anything yet, wait until you get in a big shop and see how people work the system both union and non-union. I will say this once you finish your school related part of the apprenticeship find out if the company will continue to help with schooling costs and take as many class's as you can especially if it is job related. The more education you get the faster you will get a better paying job. As for listening and seeing what the other guy's are doing, the best I can tell you is run your own race don't get caught up in the crowd, do your job to the best of your ability and management will notice.
Bradzoo
Bradzoo
Scott, keep doing what your doing. Never become one of the lazy whiney azz b itch baby's. Keep your nose to the grindstone, and ALWAYS go above and beyond. That type of attitude is what management will notice.
I worked at a place for twenty years, worked my way up from the bottom, to plant superintendent of their solid surface plant. A great work ethic, and staying positive pays off.
Don't get to frustrated, you have 45 years to go yet.
I worked at a place for twenty years, worked my way up from the bottom, to plant superintendent of their solid surface plant. A great work ethic, and staying positive pays off.
Don't get to frustrated, you have 45 years to go yet.
EXCESSIVE FORCE
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scoot
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Heres another thing you may not want to hear, that may or may not fall into the lifes not always fair category. Even though it would seem the economy is starting to make a comeback, I'm still not seeing it at my level. So working with my limited budget, if I've got two guys busting their humps asking for a raise. If one guy is asking for all the weekend overtime he can get or has a second job working weekends trying to keep his head above water, raising a family, barely getting by, etc, etc. And the other guy lives at home, buying expensive toys to spend his weekends playing, guess who gets the nod for a raise. Again, sometimes lifes not fair.
Grant Hoar
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Patience, grasshopper!
A lot of good advice here, mostly from guys who used to be 19 once, knew it all and wanted to change the world right away, and are now a lot older and wiser (well, most of them!). Listen to their advice, learn from what is going on with others around you at work, learn what to do and most importantly, what not to do or say.
You have two ears, two eyes, and one mouth for a reason, so you should be observing a lot more than you are talking.
You will find out that when it comes to hiring, people will hire attitude over knowledge most every day of the week. Bosses can teach someone knowledge or expand their knowledge base, but they can't change someones' negative attitude, so don't ever get that reputation.
Put your time in, get your experience and credentials before moving on. Don't be in too much of a hurry, you have 40+ more years of work life ahead of you.
A lot of good advice here, mostly from guys who used to be 19 once, knew it all and wanted to change the world right away, and are now a lot older and wiser (well, most of them!). Listen to their advice, learn from what is going on with others around you at work, learn what to do and most importantly, what not to do or say.
You have two ears, two eyes, and one mouth for a reason, so you should be observing a lot more than you are talking.
You will find out that when it comes to hiring, people will hire attitude over knowledge most every day of the week. Bosses can teach someone knowledge or expand their knowledge base, but they can't change someones' negative attitude, so don't ever get that reputation.
Put your time in, get your experience and credentials before moving on. Don't be in too much of a hurry, you have 40+ more years of work life ahead of you.
Cheapest 19 years old you could meet? What kind of sleds are your buddies riding?
You are getting some great advice here.But there is some bad in there as well. In Chicago,we could go ten miles in any direction and find a good machine shop. Not so anymore.there are a ton of cnc shops that can spit out a thousand widgets that you gave them all the specs for. We just had a great shop repair a 26,000$ impeller that had a 6 week lead time for a replacement. We flew that part from LA back to Chicago and back to LA. We had the customer back on line and making money in Less time than the Mfg could do. Highly skilled labor can make big $.Stick with this free training ,and absorb as much as you can. This shop we use has stuff coming in from all over the world,and they can name there price.
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Also, never leave a job unless you have another lined up.
I just found out today that the owner of the company I currently work for, sold the business. So, sometime between now and November, everything gets moved to New Mexico. So the search begins for me again.
I just found out today that the owner of the company I currently work for, sold the business. So, sometime between now and November, everything gets moved to New Mexico. So the search begins for me again.