Time for a 4 stroke!

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rocketman356

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FG we do alot of long saddlebag trips and when your surplus oil runs out your
@ the mercy of these remote gas stops where they rob yaa. With a F10 Cat yaa can't run the cheap oil.And they use a Quart 4 every tank of gas.Which equates to about a extra buck on every gallon of gas.Have a nice day.And what ever yaa ride is fine with me.But I'm done with watching my cash go out in 2 stroke smoke.
 
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whitedust

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Read all the mags this year on 4s evaluation weight is not a factor & best sleds for long mile days. Mags are finally embracing 4s sleds & going WOW! This is oppposite all the market sled weight jive of the last 10 years but a well balanced 4s has power to spare & handle great. Don't let a little more weight jade you from trying a new 4s trail sled. Again just not an issue like the 90s 2s triple triples compared to light 2s twins on trails. I also think the new injected 600 2s 120hp class comparo is not apples to apples when 600 2s can be as low as 116hp & 4s so called 120s are almost 130 hp. Riders grab that 4s broad power band throttle & go holy moly WOW not like any 2s 120hp I ever rode. Why?....because 120hp 4s is not 120hp almost 14 hp more than 2s. When 4s advertised as 130hp really 140ish hp. Current 600 injected 2s feel like 500s 2s to me when compared to 2010 so called 120hp 4s engines. New 600 2s class lacks power when compared to so called 120 hp 4s & 120 2s could be at end of life cycle just does not have the ponies. Do OEMS move up to 700 2s to keep up with 4s hp & performance or will the public be happy with 116hp 2s? I know I have 150hp 4s & that is plenty for me. The future is 4s as offers so much more than high strung 2s engines. Yam got it right in 2003 for trail sleds.
 
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flatlandassn

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A 300 mile day on the trails seems a lot like a 300 mile day in my car…not that fun. If my car ran through an extra dollar worth of oil for every gallon of gas I would be pissed off (what some claim 2 strokes use per gallon). But my car is a utility vehicle, not a recreational vehicle. As a result I and I think most look at expenditures for each class of vehicle in a slightly different manner. Trail, and off trail are not even worth comparing. Off trail, and in the mountains stock 4’s don’t compete with similar priced stock 2’s. That’s not to say you can’t have fun with a 4, you will just need to spend a lot more <font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font> on lightweight parts and a turbo. Again my analysis off trail and in the hills only, I think for pounding trail miles a four would be a good call.
 
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dcsnomo

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OK I'M DONE NOW!
44 posts ago I asked the question "would I like the 4 stroke I just bought?" Specifically did not ask which is better, 'cause that is a subjective question which many of you are trying to answer!

I got it...I'm a big middle aged guy who likes to go fast on trails all day long, the only time I go off trail is to stop for lunch! I believe I will like the 4 stroke based on your replies.

Thanks!
 
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ezra

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after you pick up that z1turbo call D&D and get the hyjacker box push the switch a few times for 210 hp for a day of lake racing.I have read the ext z1turbo is the one to get as far as handeling thay say the long track realy makes that sled outshine the short track
 
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ezra

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ok 4s 2s what ever rummer in racing circles is cat may dump the dd on some of its HP sleds next year and run a team 2ndary? I hope it is true but it may just be wishfull thinking buy I have heard it from a few pro and semi pro drage racers
 
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zrjes

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If I was in to riding trails all day long I think a 4-Stroke is best. I rode an Apex and was VERY impressed as far as its trail sled abilities...Not so good off-trail though!

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indyxcr

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To each there own deep snow the 4 strokes suck just trail riding 300 to 400 miles a day good,good gas mileage yes. A straight holeshot across a lake my 800 Dragon will kill your Yamaha. High speed trail riding your 4 stroke will be in the trees trying to keep up with me.
The 4 strokes and 2 strokes each have a place depends on how you ride what you might want to pick.
I like 2 strokes for me I drive fast love off trail deep snow, drift jumping, fast trail riding, going fast across lakes!
 
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fusion

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Indyxcr, there are many that would disagree with you trail handling assessment of some four strokes vs. your dragon. Everyone has an opinion, but lets keep in mind the trail is not a race track.
 
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ezra

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say what you will I was just at hay days and stood on the rail of most all 4strokes and tryed to pull over like carving a corner around a tree not one wanted to lift a ski with ease.but I still want that 144 z1turbo for a river lake runner
 
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skylar

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I rode John's xtx last year on two geat powder weekends, very easy to carve with.
 
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rocketman356

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booondocker

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I drive thru the trees all the time with my 4 strokers. Unless you can't move your fat ars from one side to the other in time, there are no issues.

Standing on the rail in a tent in the summer on cement is not the same as standing on a moving sled in soft powder. You can move the sled in either direction by shifting weight to the soft side and causing the high side to lift and the soft side to dip. Skis track and angle of attack is what counts carving. I don't jump so can't say what happens there.

When I do stick, doesn't matter which elephant you have it is work gett'n out.
 
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kingston_phazer

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4 stroke is the way to go althought they may seem heavy they dont feel it im 15 and i can carve my dads attak eaiser then my moms polaris 700. We ride in the kingston plains all the time and no problem manuvering throught the tree up hills or just simply riding
 
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