To Refund or not to Refund

harvest1121

Well-known member
I have a reservation in Rockland we do not think its going to happen with it being 60 in that area. We are suppose to be there Friday. We cannot count on snow Friday. The cost to tow up there is more then the cancellation. I think I will be happy with a credit but we like staying at the place. You know how it goes on here if they keep your money and you really cannot ride.
 

indy_500

Well-known member
Hang in there Mrs. Running Bear. Saturday's your birthday, you'll have a wonderful birthday and the next day the LES machines will start up again and every little thing, is gonna be alright!
 

mrsrunningbear

Active member
Hang in there Mrs. Running Bear. Saturday's your birthday, you'll have a wonderful birthday and the next day the LES machines will start up again and every little thing, is gonna be alright!

you are one sweet guy Indy!
Just want to be clear we have a good cancellation policy

A deposit of a $100.00 is required to make your reservation.

Cancellation Policy
If less than a 2-week notice is given you will loose your deposit if we are UNABLE to rent your cabin.
Any variation will be at our discretion.
A cancellation for "no snow" is also at our discretion, or we will give you
additional time to make your decision regarding snow conditions.
Any questions, please do not hesitate to inquire.

We always have happy Customers and never have had an issue about cancellations with anyone

This is just a first for us and you are our friends so I share with you :) ....we've always been on the other side, we vacationed up here for almost 30 years before we bought our own place 4 years ago, I guess this is the first time I really really respect what a resort owner of a snowmobile resort goes thru :eek:

You owners of many many years are just amazing....it's just down right stressful...the cancel decisions
 

nic

New member
toddspolaris- I definitely understand that you have to keep the customers happy. That's what I was getting at, as a customer- I don't think it's unreasonable to expect the resort owners to keep some kind of deposit. If someone gave me back all of my money and said have a nice day- great. But I certainly wouldn't bad mouth a place for keeping my deposit. I would hope most people would understand that it is still a business. And while you want to keep customers happy, there have to be limits. As long as the resort put that deposit towards another date, I think that is more than fair.

edit- Happy early bday Mrs Bear! Thanks for the interesting thread and new perspective on it. I've stayed at your place and you guys were great. I'm sure your policy is just fine. But I see your point of the stress and the 'other side' of the coin. The good news is, I think it's supposed to snow a whole bunch later in the weekend and into next week. Stupid warmup will hopefully kill just this one weekend for ya.
 
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polarisrider1

New member
Hi Linda, I agree with Dave B. and snow monkey, both respectable guys. I would have a cancellation fee. You can determine amount. Remember that if most your winter business is snowmobilers than you do need to cater to them as far as weather is concerned. The room would be empty anyways if it wasn't for them. You don't want un happy people in your rooms, they can do way more damage than what you charge them. When I get cancellations for work, I just smile and carry on with life. Don't count your money until after the guests leave not before, works for me. no ulcers that way.
 

olsmann

New member
If a place charges a cancellation fee for anyhing outside 48 hours. I would avoid it and adise everyone i ride with to do the same. Now if its inside 48 hrs you should hit the for a fee.

In fact we DO avoid those places
 

MR.HAPPY

Member
I think that a resort owner or a hotel-motel owner has to understand that its the biz they're in! They are not renting just a room to sleep in, they are renting the whole winter package! No snow, no customers! If people can not enjoy themselves at your location, be it snowmobiling, atving, boating, fishing or or or, they won't come back! People are coming for the whole package & you have to deliver, its the biz you chose. Any biz that depends on other things (mother nature) to help support them is tough, very tough!!! The reason you get busy is because of the snow & the reason your not busy is because of the lack of snow!
People shouldn't have to call and cancel, you know when you look out the window they are not & should not be coming! A $50 or $100 cancellation fee is not worth any of the biz you can lose over it!
 

eagle1

Well-known member
Look at it this way, does your cancellation policy help draw customers or does it keep them away?
$100 it a lot of money to lose for some people and they may not want to risk it and go else where.

Tough business for sure, best wishes too you.
 

squat

New member
Well if you don't know if you are going or not 48hrs or less before check in time then I say you need to be charged at least a portion of your stay if you cancel before the 48hr then no charge (JMO). We like most everyone else have been watching this warm up by the hour, we are going and taking our chance's

There is still snow in the back woods. Just have to trailor to that spot on east west road like we did a few years ago Bradzoo...
 

thebluff

Member
interesting topic, many directions of subtopics. we have a policy similar to the runningbears. our techincal 'rule' about weather is based on if trails are open or not.

i was most interested in the eagle1's comment on having the reservation fee. after a couple years, we found we had to implement this fee. we found that many people would book 2-3 locations and then cancel at the last minute, leaving us hanging. unlike a traditional motel, the sort of lodging we offer never gets "drive in" customers. the 48hr window mentioned for us would leave us screwed because we do not draw attention of most last minute shoppers. most weekend dates, we could book our apartments multiple times...and we lose out on those chances when they are cancelled last minute. the fee and policy work very well for us...99% that book actually stay. up to 15 days out, we give all but $20 back...after that (assume the weather is good) we keep the deposit..and if I do re-rent (it is very rare that any of this actually happens), we have either given the deposit back or applied it to a future stay.

for most march reservations, we choose not do charge the reservation fee at all. reservations are usually sparse to begin with, are usually last minute, and out of my 6 winters here...i have seen 4 that the riding was done by mid march or sooner. charging you no fee in march helps me get a commitment...but no risk for you. i do not carry this policy outside of march...summertime we once again count on customers keeping their reservations.

This sort of weather we are having now is most difficult...and what i am guessing mrsrunningbear is talking about. mid winter is easy enough...the rules are clear. this sort of junk is where it gets tricky...and no $100 deposit is worth an lost customer.

at any given point during the winters i have been here, i can have 10 people say that trail conditions are the best they have ever seen and still have 1-2 that say that they are crap. it is all very subjective. i have read very closely the reports that Lenny has posted the last few days for our area (and direct all callers to the reports). the riders have some responsibility to decide just how bad they wish to ride.

looking out the window and knowing that those that have booked will not come...not even a little practical. early and late season, this site is full of folks that are willing to ride on 2-3 inches of snow to get that first or last ride in. riders to the south are often excited over 6-8" of snow mid winter while those that come here can be disappointed if there is only 20" on the ground. if the ground is white....different folks have differnt threasholds for what makes them happy. cancelling is simple and surely is polite if nothing else.

i understand the dilemma. i (and i am sure most other establishments) are not looking to make a fast $100 off of anyone. repeat biz and good word of mouth are priceless. i think what makes catering to sledders (at least with my type of lodging) different that other hospitality biz is the relationships that form. it seems most of the time, we look out for you (customer) and you look out for us (provider)...then we can offer reliable serivce and you all have a level of concern for us...you know that none of us are getting rich off this.

when we let you down, or you dont give us a bit of notice...it complicates things...something we are just not used to. i would say with only 2-3 exceptions, our customers that we have had over the years ROCK. they care for us as much as we care for them...and that makes flexibilty...even when there is a financial loss, much easier!
 
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ezra

Well-known member
I think to 20% non refundable deposit is more than fair if canceled less than 72hrs 10% with 96hr no charge if canceled 96hr or more. make a sign put it on the cover of your web page tell every on calling .and if some cheep ars dose not think so do you really want them in you cabins any ways? if people know up front what the policy is they are big boys and girls and can decide at the time they are making there reservation if those are the dice they want to toss.if not they can move on and someone else that is willing to pay to play will book the room.I would not expect to get to use the lost deposit on a diff weekend
 

The Apostate

New member
This is one of the reasons we don't make reservations. I know that's not practical for all but my brother snow plows so if the weather back home dictates it he he can't go. We've just driven up and gone to our regular place hoping for a room and called on our way before too but we realize we are risking the hastle of finding a room elsewhere if ones not available. It hasn't happened yet though. Sometimes you can't count on internet reports of trail conditions either so we'll just keep driving north until they improve. Of course rooms are much easier to come by during the week when we prefer to ride.
 

harvest1121

Well-known member
We did stay this last weekend at the Bluff and thought about canceling many times. We got there and there was no snow in Rockland or (ride able snow). We had both the top and bottom rented. We knew we could not find a place big enough for all of us so just trailered to Mass or Twin Lakes. The thing about snowmobiling and renting its based on snow conditions. I have rode on many bad trails but there was no way to ride out of Rockland. But I am glad we went and trailered we did 600 miles in the 3 days.
 
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