Trail permit thoughts

[Cirrus_Driver]

Not trolling, just highly upset with the way this came down. Never agreed with cap/step and wouldn't have expected a conservative governor to have allowed this on his watch.
Now I have to go two places to get permiting to ride a sled. Much easier to have just exhorbitantly raised the reg fee's, but that would have been too obvious and visible.
I'm in the minority here obviously, so plz don't resort to bashing by fixing my posts. Already said I was the fool for believing in a politician, didn't have to highlight it.
I guess you can't have an opinion on these pages, as I'm new here. Felt I had to state my case, as I strongly disagree with what they did with this.
I'll let you know what the governors office has to say when he responds. I suspect it will be something along the lines of, "the financial hardship of private, statewide clubs".
I'd say there's another fool in the mirror if you think snow clubs can scream for more money and just get it, without government approval. (SMDH) Boil away.
Don't expect to fight city hall and get anywhere. Floodgates have now been pried wide open, so expect permit costs to go up on an annual basis.
As I said, nothing about the competency and frequency of trail grooming will change as a result of this exhorbitant cost increase. I'm out to take a chill pill, so flame away by all means!

 

[groomerdriver]

Not trolling, just highly upset with the way this came down. Never agreed with cap/step and wouldn't have expected a conservative governor to have allowed this on his watch.
Now I have to go two places to get permiting to ride a sled. Much easier to have just exhorbitantly raised the reg fee's, but that would have been too obvious and visible.
I'm in the minority here obviously, so plz don't resort to bashing by fixing my posts. Already said I was the fool for believing in a politician, didn't have to highlight it.
I guess you can't have an opinion on these pages, as I'm new here. Felt I had to state my case, as I strongly disagree with what they did with this.
I'll let you know what the governors office has to say when he responds. I suspect it will be something along the lines of, "the financial hardship of private, statewide clubs".
I'd say there's another fool in the mirror if you think snow clubs can scream for more money and just get it, without government approval. (SMDH) Boil away.
Don't expect to fight city hall and get anywhere. Floodgates have now been pried wide open, so expect permit costs to go up on an annual basis.
As I said, nothing about the competency and frequency of trail grooming will change as a result of this exhorbitant cost increase. I'm out to take a chill pill, so flame away by all means!

4 posts under a (new?) name. I'm not reading your crap......go away and spew your BS at the local coffee shop.

 

[Cirrus_Driver]

Now, now - a snowmo forum would hardly be less relevant an environ when compared to coffee shop, yes? (lied - you read it all) No redneck farmers to tweak in the coffee shops.
LOL - chill pill worked, so I'm bent over taking the 300% increase up the rear - without grease, and it's ALL good.

 

[scoot]

Yeah, I've been in clubs, they spend more time drinking at club meetings, eating pot luck lunches, and hanging in the bars on club rides, than they do prepping trails. You lecture yours truly complaining about fee's, then you follow with complaining about all the work you do! Fool looking in the mirror.

Hey XXX, sounds like we could use a man that knows what it means to work hard. Join our club and we'll find plenty of snowmobile related work for you to do year round. Not complaining, just figured you might want to take a break from looking in the mirror and posting on the internet to help out. Since the clubs you've belonged to in the past didn't do nothin.

 

[Cirrus_Driver]

Hey XXX, sounds like we could use a man that knows what it means to work hard. Join our club and we'll find plenty of snowmobile related work for you to do year round. Not complaining, just figured you might want to take a break from looking in the mirror and posting on the internet to help out. Since the clubs you've belonged to in the past didn't do nothin.

No lie - I was in 2 clubs over 5-7 years. (I forget) Figure $75/hr. salary/benefits, that equates to 24 minutes of work for my $30 TP. Take me longer than 24 minutes to drive there. Chill pill feels like pay the $30 and call it a wrap. I'm good, but could use some lube.

 

[sweeperguy]

Yeah, I've been in clubs, they spend more time drinking at club meetings, eating pot luck lunches, and hanging in the bars on club rides, than they do prepping trails. You lecture yours truly complaining about fee's, then you follow with complaining about all the work you do!

Nobody's complaining about the trail work, but simply pointing out to you it takes alot more than registration fees, and club dues to make the trails what they are. We as a community are beat on by the peeps trying to shut down our trails. It sucks to be hammered on by someone who actually benefits from the time and effort put into the sport by club members. But if that's what you do, so be it

 

[POLARISDAN]

This is a little off track..but I think it fits since we r discussing clubs...why do some clubs act so clicky..I gave up on my local club becuz when the guys would go ride up north ..I was always available but never ever got a call..even after letting them know my availability.. Now it might be me..but I never knew them well enough that maybe they didn't like me personally ..I don't know..but it just seems like a big click and new guys aren't welcome..so I gave up

 

[whitedust]

This is a little off track..but I think it fits since we r discussing clubs...why do some clubs act so clicky..I gave up on my local club becuz when the guys would go ride up north ..I was always available but never ever got a call..even after letting them know my availability.. Now it might be me..but I never knew them well enough that maybe they didn't like me personally ..I don't know..but it just seems like a big click and new guys aren't welcome..so I gave up

Not you but I know exactly what you mean! Many clubs need lessons in welcoming new members & including them in all phases of club activities. Some clubs do want & need help many just don't care set in their ways & new members won't be back because of the Click Factor.The Cap Step setting sun will be interesting to weigh active new club members results.

 

[POLARISDAN]

Not you but I know exactly what you mean! Many clubs need lessons in welcoming new members & including them in all phases of club activities. Some clubs do want & need help many just don't care set in their ways & new members won't be back because of the Click Factor.The Cap Step setting sun will be interesting to weigh active new club members results.

To be honest ..I feel way more welcome here on john Dee and the people I've met and ridden with..if the clubs acted like that then those problems wouldn't exist..so I spend my Sled off time here..I'm going to join johns new club for sure

 

[whitedust]

To be honest ..I feel way more welcome here on john Dee and the people I've met and ridden with..if the clubs acted like that then those problems wouldn't exist..so I spend my Sled off time here..I'm going to join johns new club for sure

I might very well end up joining a UP club too for the fun factor just join WI club for the trail pass & be done. All clubs are different but what I'm seeing in Vilas is small super old clicky clubs that get the job done in their own way. New blood not coming to meetings but we know they have joined for the pass.

 

[1fujifilm]

Not trolling, just highly upset with the way this came down. Never agreed with cap/step and wouldn't have expected a conservative governor to have allowed this on his watch.
Now I have to go two places to get permiting to ride a sled. Much easier to have just exhorbitantly raised the reg fee's, but that would have been too obvious and visible.
I'm in the minority here obviously, so plz don't resort to bashing by fixing my posts. Already said I was the fool for believing in a politician, didn't have to highlight it.
I guess you can't have an opinion on these pages, as I'm new here. Felt I had to state my case, as I strongly disagree with what they did with this.
I'll let you know what the governors office has to say when he responds. I suspect it will be something along the lines of, "the financial hardship of private, statewide clubs".
I'd say there's another fool in the mirror if you think snow clubs can scream for more money and just get it, without government approval. (SMDH) Boil away.
Don't expect to fight city hall and get anywhere. Floodgates have now been pried wide open, so expect permit costs to go up on an annual basis.
As I said, nothing about the competency and frequency of trail grooming will change as a result of this exhorbitant cost increase. I'm out to take a chill pill, so flame away by all means!

Here is a nice example of the WI roll out of the new trail permit. Everyone and their brother has known about the new trail permit for some time. Once the WI DNR began to sell the new permits (at least five weeks ago, likely longer) individual owners and Dealers bought passes and placed them above the windshield as directed by the WI DNR. Now, Dealers received a letter from the WI DNR last Saturday mandating the new trail permit AND the metal Dealer's license plate be mounted onto a "SECOND" mounting plate that will fit BOTH the plate and the trail permit and then attach it to the sled.
Talk about late in the game as the trail permit stickers have been already mounted, now we have to remount them in a complicated manner. oui vee.
What next? Just increase the damn price of registration and forget the trail permit of the WI resident and Dealer.

 

[sweeperguy]

Here is a nice example of the WI roll out of the new trail permit. Everyone and their brother has known about the new trail permit for some time. Once the WI DNR began to sell the new permits (at least five weeks ago, likely longer) individual owners and Dealers bought passes and placed them above the windshield as directed by the WI DNR. Now, Dealers received a letter from the WI DNR last Saturday mandating the new trail permit AND the metal Dealer's license plate be mounted onto a "SECOND" mounting plate that will fit BOTH the plate and the trail permit and then attach it to the sled.
Talk about late in the game as the trail permit stickers have been already mounted, now we have to remount them in a complicated manner. oui vee.
What next? Just increase the damn price of registration and forget the trail permit of the WI resident and Dealer.

Is this for rentals? Or for test rides? Dealer plates?
Good thing I am on this discussion board or I would not have known about needing a trail pass at all. Since my registration is current and valid. No communication from Wi at all that changes happened.

 

[Cirrus_Driver]

Here is a nice example of the WI roll out of the new trail permit. Everyone and their brother has known about the new trail permit for some time. Once the WI DNR began to sell the new permits (at least five weeks ago, likely longer) individual owners and Dealers bought passes and placed them above the windshield as directed by the WI DNR. Now, Dealers received a letter from the WI DNR last Saturday mandating the new trail permit AND the metal Dealer's license plate be mounted onto a "SECOND" mounting plate that will fit BOTH the plate and the trail permit and then attach it to the sled.
Talk about late in the game as the trail permit stickers have been already mounted, now we have to remount them in a complicated manner. oui vee.
What next? Just increase the damn price of registration and forget the trail permit of the WI resident and Dealer.

Same old, same old when you let the government get involved in a seemingly simple process. Predictable.

Exactly....to the bolded text.

 

[jr37]

Here is a nice example of the WI roll out of the new trail permit. Everyone and their brother has known about the new trail permit for some time. Once the WI DNR began to sell the new permits (at least five weeks ago, likely longer) individual owners and Dealers bought passes and placed them above the windshield as directed by the WI DNR. Now, Dealers received a letter from the WI DNR last Saturday mandating the new trail permit AND the metal Dealer's license plate be mounted onto a "SECOND" mounting plate that will fit BOTH the plate and the trail permit and then attach it to the sled.
Talk about late in the game as the trail permit stickers have been already mounted, now we have to remount them in a complicated manner. oui vee.
What next? Just increase the damn price of registration and forget the trail permit of the WI resident and Dealer.

I don't know what you mean by a second mounting plate. This was done in an effort to actually save the dealers money. The Trail Pass is to be put on the commercial plate, instead of the windshield. This allows the dealer to move the plate to different sleds, eliminating the need for each sled to have its own Trail Pass. Each sled the dealer rents out, and that will be on the trail, will need a Trail Pass, but extra sleds sitting in the lot won't. I'm sorry if some dealers already had their sleds out with Trail Pass decals already on them, but going forward this should be a money saver for them.

 

[whitedust]

I don't know what you mean by a second mounting plate. This was done in an effort to actually save the dealers money. The Trail Pass is to be put on the commercial plate, instead of the windshield. This allows the dealer to move the plate to different sleds, eliminating the need for each sled to have its own Trail Pass. Each sled the dealer rents out, and that will be on the trail, will need a Trail Pass, but extra sleds sitting in the lot won't. I'm sorry if some dealers already had their sleds out with Trail Pass decals already on them, but going forward this should be a money saver for them.

That is how I understood it too but I just happened to be in doo dealer when he got the call from DNR on how to do this. Pretty sweet he can move a trail pass around from sled to sled.

 

[caged_beagle]

I don't know what you mean by a second mounting plate. This was done in an effort to actually save the dealers money. The Trail Pass is to be put on the commercial plate, instead of the windshield. This allows the dealer to move the plate to different sleds, eliminating the need for each sled to have its own Trail Pass. Each sled the dealer rents out, and that will be on the trail, will need a Trail Pass, but extra sleds sitting in the lot won't. I'm sorry if some dealers already had their sleds out with Trail Pass decals already on them, but going forward this should be a money saver for them.

I don't know how you (or the DNR) think it will save us dealers money and I didn't get it when we received the letter either.......after all our rentals were built and stickers applied to windshields, of course. We will not by the way be taking shop time fabricating plates, removing our stickers and plates from the rentals and remounting them. I cannot see any reasonable LEO giving tickets for having sickers exactly where they tell you to place them when receiving the stikers in the mail.

And yes, you are supposed to have a second mounting plate according to the letter; "TRAIL STICKER IS NOT TO BE AFFIXED TO DEALER PLATE"

Do you think a dealer plans on paying for "X" amount of rentals and doesn't ever have all those rentals rented out at the same time? Lets see, pay 7-10k for a rental an then "we'll save money on not buying the trail pass" so only a certain number of our rentals can even be rented. HUH???????? WHAT?????????

If you have 30 rentals, you need 30 passes. Can you imagine turning renters away beacause.......oh sorry, yup there sits a rental right outside the door but I have already used all of my trail passes today. It doesn't really make much sense.

On a more positive note, I think the legislation is doing what it was meant to do; put more money back into the hands of the clubs. Our club at our meeting last night stated we have gained at least 50 new members recently. That is no coincidence.

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[soxfan3]

On another note. Just to let people know. Ordered my sticker on-line last Tuesday night. Live in NW IIL, sled is registered in WI ($30+$1 convenience fee). Received in mail on Monday. 6 days.

 

[sweeperguy]

I don't know how you (or the DNR) think it will save us dealers money and I didn't get it when we received the letter either.......after all our rentals were built and stickers applied to windshields,s

My guess would be for the ease of moving used sleds in and out of the rental fleet, as some may sell during the season? Or even sleds that may have been planned on being rental all season may sell due to someone wanting a particular setup? I could be wrong not having any real experience with sales and rentals. But it does sound to me like they were making an attempt to make it easier on you than permanently attaching the passes to the sleds.
Granted its messed up they wait till the eleventh hour to make a change. But like you said, can't imagine a LEO writing a ticket for passes being affixed where it was originally suppose to be.

 

[snobuilder]

This is a little off track..but I think it fits since we r discussing clubs...why do some clubs act so clicky..I gave up on my local club becuz when the guys would go ride up north ..I was always available but never ever got a call..even after letting them know my availability.. Now it might be me..but I never knew them well enough that maybe they didn't like me personally ..I don't know..but it just seems like a big click and new guys aren't welcome..so I gave up

we knew your 800 was gonna blow up at any time....LOL

 

[bearrassler]

Just increase the damn price of registration and forget the trail permit of the WI resident and Dealer.[/QUOTE]

That was one of the things that I put in the original post.