bearrassler
Well-known member
I think that is an all to common problem with lots of clubs out there, I know that it is with the club that I am in.
Trail permit thoughts
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POLARISDAN
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hahahahahahahahah..dat der is funny
That is assuming all the money went to snowmobiling. I know there have been times in Illinois and Wisconsin where the snowmobile funds have been raided by the government to cover shortfalls. If I could trust the government (difficult to say with a straight face) I wouldn't mind. As it is I do not complain...
The snowmobile program in WI is self supported. Registration, Trail Pass, Out of State Trail Pass, and gas tax on gas purchased by snowmobilers, money from those are put in a segregated fund for the snowmobile program and administered by the DNR. No other tax money is used to support the snowmobile program and the snowmobile program money does not support any other programs. As far as I know, we are the only program of any type in the state that is self supported.
I don't know what you mean by a second mounting plate?
The Dealer plate and trail permit must be mounted together, which means somewhere other than the windshield as the plate is aluminum and the permit is a decal. In order to mount them together, they must be on a "plate" of some sort (plexiglass for me) so it can be moved from sled to sled since the decal will lose it's adhesion if you try to peel it from one sled and put on another.
I am not terribly concerned about this "rule", but am slighted as I have already "stuck" on the trail permits on my sleds as the "rule" to mount with the permit with the Dealer plate was issued to the Dealers in the incorrect order "putting the horse before the cart".
Suggestion to make everyone happy, just increase the cost of registration, the permit thing is lame. For instance, you have many clubs that do great work (no doubt there) but some clubs are just part-time "clubs" as fraternity groups or friends getting together for similar interests and not taking the sport seriously. Now, we potentially have part-time clubs receiving forced revenue from people that buy permits at the direction of the State; that is poor legislation. Heck, I could even start up my own club with little oversight if I saw fit.
I will live with it though as there is good and bad in everything.
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It would have been sweet, had we heard about it prior to putting stickered trail permits on our sleds first.
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Cirrus_Driver
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Yeah, yeah....and we know that government designated funds, administered by the DNR would NEVER be susceptible to misappropriation of funds, or embezzlement of any kind. Now I know why you defended the 267% annual increase in fee's so vociferously. Given the fact Walker has lowered my property taxes 14.2% from '13, and 5.4% from '14, I'm now fine with his incompetent bungling of the snowmo registration fee's. Nobody's perfect.
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A reminder if one is needed you go to jail for that chit nothing to do with Walker if someone embezzles club funds they have their day in court then say bye bye & get ready to meet your new boyfriend live in roomate.lol
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On a slightly different note - We are from MN. We have been going to Wisc for 30 plus years. We usually buy our trail permits at a gas station or a bar or whatever when we go to Wisc. With all the new changes can we still do this or do we have to go online beforehand?
lolrecsales
Member
Yes, you can still stop at any "DNR license" retailer and buy a NON-Resident Trail pass for $50.
One side of me says just raise the registration fee, the other says this is a good move to increase club membership. As I was already a club member, I favor the trail pass but time will tell how many new members this creates & if any of them actually participate. If nothing else, remember that membership dues stay local, & registration fees go to Madison to be redistributed.
Regarding the rental registration plate issue; Yes the DNR blew it by waiting until mid November to define the system. They should have been more timely, but this system is better than putting the decal on the windshield. We rent 12 sleds & replace lots of windshields over the course of a season.
Regarding the rental registration plate issue; Yes the DNR blew it by waiting until mid November to define the system. They should have been more timely, but this system is better than putting the decal on the windshield. We rent 12 sleds & replace lots of windshields over the course of a season.
I was told you can buy the permit, but the sticker is mailed to you. You can ride with permit receipt in hand without the actual sticker, but run the risk of being stopped & checked for permit.
I don't think they know what they are doing yet. That is my only real complaint. Not knowing.
caged_beagle
Member
I was told you can buy the permit, but the sticker is mailed to you. You can ride with permit receipt in hand without the actual sticker, but run the risk of being stopped & checked for permit.
I don't think they know what they are doing yet. That is my only real complaint. Not knowing.
The following was copy and pasted directly from an email from the DNR to all of their VRS agents which is where I got the non-resident info I posted earlier from my work screen name, lolrecsales. It explains it pretty well "Right from the horses mouth". :
Happy Holidays to my VRS agents!
This message covers information on the Trail passes. You probably have seen that every snowmobile going on TRAILS will need a trail pass this year. Attached is an information sheet that you can put out that will help the customer.
The only trail pass available on the Vehicle Registration System is the NON-Resident Trail pass for $50. This one is for those people whose snowmobiles are registered in another state.
It does not say NON-RESIDENT on your system, so I want to make you aware that this is NON-RESIDENT only. When the system was designed, that was the only one we had.
When you register a brand new snowmobile in Wisconsin and assign the registration number, the customer will need the registration number to take to a hunting/fishing license agent to purchase the WI Trail pass for $30. They will receive a temporary operating receipt and the actual trail pass will arrive in the mail. The can also go online at dnr.wi.gov and order a WI trail pass and they will get a temporary operating receipt to carry until the actual trail pass arrives in the mail.
If they are a member of a snowmobile club that is affiliated with the AWSC, they can get their WI trail pass for $10, but they will have to wait for it to arrive in the mail until they can ride (there is no temp. operating receipt).
If a snowmobile is 35 years old or older, it can be registered as an antique, and then it is exempt from needing a trail pass. This is now applicable to residents and non-residents.
Hope this helps to clear up some of the confusion. If you have any other questions, please call or email me.
Linda
I hope this helps everyone.....some how?
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"It does not say NON-RESIDENT on your system, so I want to make you aware that this is NON-RESIDENT only. When the system was designed, that was the only one we had."
Sounds like a Governmental way to introduce new rules, create total confusion and say "who cares"? Accountable businesses will hold a "launch" of software or product until it has been tested and provides a saleable service/product; big difference.
Who is Linda?
lolrecsales
Member
That was the reason for the email. Because they are phasing out their old online system (which only had non-res passes because until 5 months ago that's all there was) and the new one is supposed to be up and running with new software/hardware shortly after the new year. Dealers such as our selves will not be able to print reg stickers for our customers anymore unless we want to bring in a whole computer station and also sell hunt/fish licenses. This is unfortunate as our customers loved being able to leave here with their new sled/atv/sxs and have reg card and stickers in hand, legal eagle when they leave the dealership.
And not that it has any bearing on the discussion here, but Linda is our DNR Business Support Specialist for our district.
snobuilder
Well-known member
Agreed.
And an in state $30 trail pass purchased through the dnr gets you a receipt to ride on until the stickers arrive.
A $10.00 trail pass purchased through the AWSC takes 5-6 days to get through the US Mail after purchasing on line.
Even though you can print off a receipt of the online purchased $10.00 AWSC issued trail pass that lists the reg. numbers of your sleds, apparently that would not be proof enough for the DNR. Why, IDK. Maybe this will get hashed out at some point.
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Jonger1150
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Trail permits in all US states are under-priced.
Sorry guys, they are.
Imagine how many more land-owners would offer up their land for new trails if they were getting bigger checks. Perhaps we could have more off-trail fields to play in or properties to hunt on during deer season.
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I live in SE Michigan and I bought my Ontario permit before my Michigan version. The northern Ontario trails are heavenly and far more El Nino proof.
Sorry guys, they are.
Imagine how many more land-owners would offer up their land for new trails if they were getting bigger checks. Perhaps we could have more off-trail fields to play in or properties to hunt on during deer season.
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I live in SE Michigan and I bought my Ontario permit before my Michigan version. The northern Ontario trails are heavenly and far more El Nino proof.
From DNR website:
Nonresident snowmobile trail pass ($50) – for a snowmobile registered in or in the process of being registered in another state, province or country. Available online, or at select agents or by calling WDNR at 1-888-WDNRINFo (1-888-936-7463). A temporary operating receipt is issued when orders are placed online and at DNR license sales agent locations to operate legally on snowmobile trails. Carry the receipt with you until your pass is delivered by the U.S. Mail and affixed to your snowmobile’s windshield.
So yes you can buy but you do not get the physical sticker until it comes in mail. ?? See very confusing.
Nonresident snowmobile trail pass ($50) – for a snowmobile registered in or in the process of being registered in another state, province or country. Available online, or at select agents or by calling WDNR at 1-888-WDNRINFo (1-888-936-7463). A temporary operating receipt is issued when orders are placed online and at DNR license sales agent locations to operate legally on snowmobile trails. Carry the receipt with you until your pass is delivered by the U.S. Mail and affixed to your snowmobile’s windshield.
So yes you can buy but you do not get the physical sticker until it comes in mail. ?? See very confusing.