Trail permits

harvest1121

Well-known member
I did not drive my car this month maybe I should get a rebate back for my license plate. A bunch of whiners pay or stay off the trails so I can ride by myself and others who pay. And we wonder why people have their hands out.
 

russholio

Well-known member
I don't see anything in the original post that indicates that the OP was "whining" about the cost of the permit. I don't see anything that indicates that he felt the permit money didn't go to a good cause or that clubs weren't doing a good job of grooming. All he is saying is, that a temporary permit for infrequent trail users might be a consideration.

Personally, I think, as others have stated, that $45 is a bargain. Usually, trails are consistently well-maintained and when they're not it's more than likely because of equipment failure or because Mother Nature just didn't give them enough to work with. Heck, I'd even be willing to pay more than $45. BUT....I do ALL of my riding in Michigan (haven't ventured out of state in 10 years) and when conditions are good I don't have to go very far (relatively) to find trails.

That being said, I know that my situation does not apply to everybody. Maybe a temporary permit system or a multi-year permit system wouldn't work and if they wouldn't, that's fine -- but I think they ought to at least be explored, instead of people basically saying "shut up and pay and if you don't want to pay, don't ride". If they could be cost-effective and help bring in money that might otherwise be lost, I'm all for it. If it does more harm than good, then I'm not.
 

Hoosier

Well-known member
I don't see anything in the original post that indicates that the OP was "whining" about the cost of the permit. I don't see anything that indicates that he felt the permit money didn't go to a good cause or that clubs weren't doing a good job of grooming. All he is saying is, that a temporary permit for infrequent trail users might be a consideration.

Personally, I think, as others have stated, that $45 is a bargain. Usually, trails are consistently well-maintained and when they're not it's more than likely because of equipment failure or because Mother Nature just didn't give them enough to work with. Heck, I'd even be willing to pay more than $45. BUT....I do ALL of my riding in Michigan (haven't ventured out of state in 10 years) and when conditions are good I don't have to go very far (relatively) to find trails.

That being said, I know that my situation does not apply to everybody. Maybe a temporary permit system or a multi-year permit system wouldn't work and if they wouldn't, that's fine -- but I think they ought to at least be explored, instead of people basically saying "shut up and pay and if you don't want to pay, don't ride". If they could be cost-effective and help bring in money that might otherwise be lost, I'm all for it. If it does more harm than good, then I'm not.

Way to go, bringing this argument back to reason. I don't have an issue with the $45 for the UP, but I'd hate to spend that if I'm riding in the LP these days. Of course you could argue it costs a lot to maintain those trails, but the season is typically shorter also and the trailers are arguably not as good.
 

Pitch

Banned
russholio;

Thank you for understanding my original point. It is hard to believe how for out in left field some people get with their comments. I know if I ever ride in Michigan, there is one particular business that is not going to see a dime of my money, or my groups money. I hardly think this will cause her to close her doors.
 

russholio

Well-known member
Way to go, bringing this argument back to reason.

Just another service I provide. :)

russholio;

Thank you for understanding my original point. It is hard to believe how for out in left field some people get with their comments. I know if I ever ride in Michigan, there is one particular business that is not going to see a dime of my money, or my groups money. I hardly think this will cause her to close her doors.

I like to think (or at least hope) that I have a little empathy and I try to see all points of view.
 

polarisrider1

New member
I wonder how permit sales are going in the western UP about now??? Rumor has it that a temporary permit is out, runs from today until March 31 for only $45. :)
 

olsmann

New member
Im gonna post the same thing I do every year when this thresd comes up(every year) If $45 is to much for you to ride in the UP than please stay home.
 

polarisrider1

New member
Ontario is giving out free permits for President's Day weekend only.

I think it is on Victoria day, hold on I will check my calendar! ...........Well, my birthday falls on Easter this year I noticed...............Ah, yes Victoria day, First monday before May 24th each year. that's it!!!
 
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Hoosier

Well-known member
I think it is on Victoria day, hold on I will check my calendar! ...........Well, my birthday falls on Easter this year I noticed...............Ah, yes Victoria day, First monday before May 24th each year. that's it!!!

Yeah, I guess I was wondering why they didn't refer to that being President's Day weekend! The refer to it as "Ontario's Family Day Long Weekend."
 

polarisrider1

New member
Well they are a different country and all. what better way to snag up some Americans then have a holiday same time we do! got my registration in and now making reservations!
 

Hoosier

Well-known member
Well they are a different country and all. what better way to snag up some Americans then have a holiday same time we do! got my registration in and now making reservations!

Sounds like fun, eh? This might be a good year to try out Ontario. That's the one weekend I'm able to get out this year and it's probably worth it to drive a couple extra hours to get there. Only trouble is I'd probably get up there Friday late afternoon and leave Tuesday afternoon...I'm guessing they would frown on the free permit during the 1/2 days before and after the free days...still, I'm going to look into it.
 

polarisrider1

New member
Sounds like fun, eh? This might be a good year to try out Ontario. That's the one weekend I'm able to get out this year and it's probably worth it to drive a couple extra hours to get there. Only trouble is I'd probably get up there Friday late afternoon and leave Tuesday afternoon...I'm guessing they would frown on the free permit during the 1/2 days before and after the free days...still, I'm going to look into it.
You can always roll the dice. In 15 years and about 20,000 miles in Ontario I have never been pulled over once. They do check permits at night at motels, I have witnessed that. But I think you can fight that one by saying you just got there and hadn't got your permit and rode yet. The Canadians are way nice to Americans, I love it there, great trails and great off trail.
 

polarisrider1

New member
isnt speed limit 35 there and a 0.0 tolerance?

Yes and yes. Michigan is also zero tolerance. as far as the speed limit, well I do not want to incriminate myself or open up a can of worms. We are talking a very remote riding area that you may not see another sled in 3 days. Farther north way less traffic and pristene trails.
 

tallcool1

New member
No they do not. Keep in mind that the powers who make the rules leave bigger tips at lunch then the $45. I see it as, if you can purchase a $30,000 plus tow vehicle and a 4 place enclosed aluminum trailer, sleds for the trailer, Klim gear, Polaris VES oil ($$$), Motel lodging, Bar money and meals out then $45 is nothing. Then you got the guys who can't afford any of it and their sled is not worth the $45 sticker they have to buy (like my $25 250 Enticer). Point is both Parties if both useing the trails need to pay their share. It is not MSA's , DNR's or governments fault your ability to pay is not there. Flat smooth trails and bridges and right a ways do not come cheap. Actually with permit sales down the trails will be even in more dire straits next season. I rode the un groomed Corn field trails of the 70's and either poeple forget or were not there. The trail system now is a deal at $45.

I think you're missing the point. The OP's question was with the interest of the state actually taking in more money if the cost was less. Your scenario is great, but not everyone has the rig, trailer and oil of which you speak. Take the guy that has older sleds and is trying to enjoy a trip with his wife and two or three kids, meaning 3 or 4 sleds. If the guy is in Wisconsin and considering going into the UP (like I've done all my life) with the family for a day, he's likely not to spend $180 to do it...more likely to just stay in Wisconsin. For this reason alone MI would be smart to offer another option for a trail pass.
 
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