We will never prosper again until we can start manufacting things in the US again. As long as our government allows products to be imported from countries where people are willing to work for little to nothing, without adding taxes that will equal the playing field we are destined to fail. We need to either work for nothing or forget about the enverment or tax the products that come in to make them comparable to products that can be made here. It will suck for a while but we can only be a service country for so long before things will reaaly suck.
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We will never prosper again until we can start manufacting things in the US again. As long as our government allows products to be imported from countries where people are willing to work for little to nothing, without adding taxes that will equal the playing field we are destined to fail. We need to either work for nothing or forget about the enverment or tax the products that come in to make them comparable to products that can be made here. It will suck for a while but we can only be a service country for so long before things will reaaly suck.
Buy American!!! I do it whenever possible.
I teach my kids to do the same.
Where the heck was all this "fiscal responsability" in 2000 when we had a record budget surplus and 8 years later we had a record deficit???? Back then it was "Oh, the budget deficit does not affect the economy." Now, all of the sudden, power has shifted and the accountants come out of the woodwork. In stead of jumping on the guy trying to pull us out of the worst economy since the great depression, why don't you take a look at the one who put us in this mess???????
in 2000 the nat debt was 5,753,494,472,000
the so called surpluse was 146,224,686,000
my math comes out to a
debt of 5,607,269,786,000
you can move numbers around all you want to make for good sound bites on NBC but the reality is NO SURPLUSE.end of story cant distort facts if you take the time to actuly look them up and not listen to a 5 sec blip from a 2hr run down of the budget. I guess it works to further the lye and move the agenda ahead and that is all that matters I guess
rocketman356
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Read the clock www.usdebtclock.org
bobsledder
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Stuff like this is part of the problem
I just read in the local paper a nearby private college received $90,000 to help refurbish a lower level student lounge area that was flooded several years ago. This money came available through the State of Illinois capitol building plan. IL is so beyond broke we could only hope to be like Wisconsin. Why are these tax funds being spent at a private college? IL has borrowed massive amounts of money to keep functioning and then we don’t even spend all of it on things that are for ALL the people.
Vote out the dumb bums
Bob
I just read in the local paper a nearby private college received $90,000 to help refurbish a lower level student lounge area that was flooded several years ago. This money came available through the State of Illinois capitol building plan. IL is so beyond broke we could only hope to be like Wisconsin. Why are these tax funds being spent at a private college? IL has borrowed massive amounts of money to keep functioning and then we don’t even spend all of it on things that are for ALL the people.
Vote out the dumb bums
Bob
well in a local community collage in my parts spent more than that on converting a room in to a prayer room to pray to mecca but turned down requests to open it for a all religion prayer room and I guess it is muslim men only allowed and yes this is a community college heavy funded buy the tax payer.my question cant people take their rugs out in to the parking lot only empty room or courtyard and pray or do they have 100k prey rooms all over the middle east to pray at?dont think so.hope when I am bowing my head I am being heard I should think about a 100k addition to the house to go visit every night before bed dont think the big man respects my humble bed room enough to listen to me what a joke.can you imagine any public place baning women and getting away with it other than a Muslim prayer room
rocketman356
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ezra for prez,,,,,well in a local community collage in my parts spent more than that on converting a room in to a prayer room to pray to mecca but turned down requests to open it for a all religion prayer room and i guess it is muslim men only allowed and yes this is a community college heavy funded buy the tax payer.my question cant people take their rugs out in to the parking lot only empty room or courtyard and pray or do they have 100k prey rooms all over the middle east to pray at?dont think so.hope when i am bowing my head i am being heard i should think about a 100k addition to the house to go visit every night before bed dont think the big man respects my humble bed room enough to listen to me what a joke.can you imagine any public place baning women and getting away with it other than a muslim prayer room
rocketman356
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WE need to rent Mitch Daniels for six months yaa knowI just read in the local paper a nearby private college received $90,000 to help refurbish a lower level student lounge area that was flooded several years ago. This money came available through the State of Illinois capitol building plan. IL is so beyond broke we could only hope to be like Wisconsin. Why are these tax funds being spent at a private college? IL has borrowed massive amounts of money to keep functioning and then we don’t even spend all of it on things that are for ALL the people.
Vote out the dumb bums
Bob
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We have so many things wrong with our government it is hard to begin counting all the problems.
The elected are NOT doing what is best for the constituents, he is busy getting lined up to get re-elected.
Too many lobbyists who are there to buy votes.
Too much money spent on advertising in campaigns.
Too many uneducated people who have no business voting because they don't know or understand how to analyze a politician, or have a clue how to see if the candidate is real or just a puppet for some special interest group.
I say, if you can't read, and can't write and you can't answer a pre-voting assessment test, with questions like "What are the three branches of government"....then you should not be allowed to vote until you get some education and pass the test.
If we did that one single thing....the whole ball of wax would be turned around because you would NOT be able to pull the wool over the educated voters eyes. Today voting is done by pictures, and popularity contests...with no substance or content. Debates are a joke....they prove nothing other than showmanship. What does that get you?
Vote straight line in the voting booth would be banned.....maybe political parties would be abolished too.
The whole point of having a representative government was because news used to travel slowly....but today it is far faster. Do we really need a representative who gets into office than does whatever he wants and takes money from all sorts of special interests only to defeat some other candidate who was better qualified and who should have gotten elected but was out funded?
Now to find unbiased news, it is nearly impossible to get...so you have to taste some of this and some of that and form some real opinion that is probably much closer to the truth.
I watched a face the nation on Sunday morning and the moderator had a host of very slanted questions to put to the governor of Indiana who is sampling the waters to run for prez....each question was so slanted to damned if you did or damned if you didn't...and the Gov did a good job of not coming to the presumed conclusions the moderator wanted him to come to...so each time that happened, the moderator moved on to another question that was framed exactly like the others...sort of like you don't stink much like a skunk do you...??? I was appalled that this sort of questioning process would be viewed as anything other than an outright attempt at making the Governor look bad I have to admit that had it been me, i would have walked off the set...but the Gov held his ground, did not condemn past party practices to make himself look good, and though NOTHING was really gleaned from this interview, this demonstrates the completely biased press we have to obtain our news from.
Just another example of how out of kilter this whole world we are in has become.
The elected are NOT doing what is best for the constituents, he is busy getting lined up to get re-elected.
Too many lobbyists who are there to buy votes.
Too much money spent on advertising in campaigns.
Too many uneducated people who have no business voting because they don't know or understand how to analyze a politician, or have a clue how to see if the candidate is real or just a puppet for some special interest group.
I say, if you can't read, and can't write and you can't answer a pre-voting assessment test, with questions like "What are the three branches of government"....then you should not be allowed to vote until you get some education and pass the test.
If we did that one single thing....the whole ball of wax would be turned around because you would NOT be able to pull the wool over the educated voters eyes. Today voting is done by pictures, and popularity contests...with no substance or content. Debates are a joke....they prove nothing other than showmanship. What does that get you?
Vote straight line in the voting booth would be banned.....maybe political parties would be abolished too.
The whole point of having a representative government was because news used to travel slowly....but today it is far faster. Do we really need a representative who gets into office than does whatever he wants and takes money from all sorts of special interests only to defeat some other candidate who was better qualified and who should have gotten elected but was out funded?
Now to find unbiased news, it is nearly impossible to get...so you have to taste some of this and some of that and form some real opinion that is probably much closer to the truth.
I watched a face the nation on Sunday morning and the moderator had a host of very slanted questions to put to the governor of Indiana who is sampling the waters to run for prez....each question was so slanted to damned if you did or damned if you didn't...and the Gov did a good job of not coming to the presumed conclusions the moderator wanted him to come to...so each time that happened, the moderator moved on to another question that was framed exactly like the others...sort of like you don't stink much like a skunk do you...??? I was appalled that this sort of questioning process would be viewed as anything other than an outright attempt at making the Governor look bad I have to admit that had it been me, i would have walked off the set...but the Gov held his ground, did not condemn past party practices to make himself look good, and though NOTHING was really gleaned from this interview, this demonstrates the completely biased press we have to obtain our news from.
Just another example of how out of kilter this whole world we are in has become.
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Not the whole world, moooseman. New Zealand still looks good except for Christchurch.
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As of 6:00 tonight I am back to being a politician! Yup, after a 4 year break, back on the Village Board. Go ahead, I dare ya, just try to ask for a new fire truck!
Do your civic duty and get the new firetruck. Municipal and volunteer fire depts need to have up to date equipment or insurance rates for the area they serve go up. Order it tomorrow and you might get it before spiralling inflation sets in.
bobsledder
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Could we earn our debt back?
I don’t want to sound like an uncaring jerk however … A lot of countries are helping with the disaster in Japan as we all should. When the world is in some crisis it looks to the good old USA for HELP. We send ships, planes, troops, we provide humanitarian aid, logistical support, we fight wars and some of our people die in support of others. This is done to maintain relative stability in the world for our citizens. However the rest of the world benefits from our actions so shouldn’t they be obligated to make financial “contributions”.
Japan is the 3rd or 4th (I have heard both) holder of our nations debts. After WW II we assisted in modernizing their country. Will we do the same thing again with funds we borrow from other places in the world? There is wealth around the world that doesn’t have the capability of assisting in crisis situations. Is now the time to give them a smack up side the head and “convince” them to pony up and help US help the world.
This is certainly a simplistic view of the world and what could be done, there are all kinds of reasons it won’t work however the USA can’t continue on the path we are on.
Any thoughts?
Bob
I don’t want to sound like an uncaring jerk however … A lot of countries are helping with the disaster in Japan as we all should. When the world is in some crisis it looks to the good old USA for HELP. We send ships, planes, troops, we provide humanitarian aid, logistical support, we fight wars and some of our people die in support of others. This is done to maintain relative stability in the world for our citizens. However the rest of the world benefits from our actions so shouldn’t they be obligated to make financial “contributions”.
Japan is the 3rd or 4th (I have heard both) holder of our nations debts. After WW II we assisted in modernizing their country. Will we do the same thing again with funds we borrow from other places in the world? There is wealth around the world that doesn’t have the capability of assisting in crisis situations. Is now the time to give them a smack up side the head and “convince” them to pony up and help US help the world.
This is certainly a simplistic view of the world and what could be done, there are all kinds of reasons it won’t work however the USA can’t continue on the path we are on.
Any thoughts?
Bob
rocketman356
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Japan is #2 in buying our debt and soon to be #1 cause China recently started selling off . And now READ THE DAMN CLOCK www.usdebtclock.orgI don’t want to sound like an uncaring jerk however … A lot of countries are helping with the disaster in Japan as we all should. When the world is in some crisis it looks to the good old USA for HELP. We send ships, planes, troops, we provide humanitarian aid, logistical support, we fight wars and some of our people die in support of others. This is done to maintain relative stability in the world for our citizens. However the rest of the world benefits from our actions so shouldn’t they be obligated to make financial “contributions”.
Japan is the 3rd or 4th (I have heard both) holder of our nations debts. After WW II we assisted in modernizing their country. Will we do the same thing again with funds we borrow from other places in the world? There is wealth around the world that doesn’t have the capability of assisting in crisis situations. Is now the time to give them a smack up side the head and “convince” them to pony up and help US help the world.
This is certainly a simplistic view of the world and what could be done, there are all kinds of reasons it won’t work however the USA can’t continue on the path we are on.
Any thoughts?
Bob
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Do your civic duty and get the new firetruck. Municipal and volunteer fire depts need to have up to date equipment or insurance rates for the area they serve go up. Order it tomorrow and you might get it before spiralling inflation sets in.
yeah just buy it the town next to me had that atitude 2 yrs ago against voters will. built a new building new trucks etc etc guess what now they are broke. could not get more money from state not getting the projected property tax. now city has no building dept no inspectors 1/3 less cops 1/2 the city workers but they do have a shiny copper roof on their new public workes/police/fire complex dumb self serving arrogant city got exactly what they deserve
rocketman356
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Ezra your right on with your comments.Now how about all those unfunded pensions.yeah just buy it the town next to me had that atitude 2 yrs ago against voters will. built a new building new trucks etc etc guess what now they are broke. could not get more money from state not getting the projected property tax. now city has no building dept no inspectors 1/3 less cops 1/2 the city workers but they do have a shiny copper roof on their new public workes/police/fire complex dumb self serving arrogant city got exactly what they deserve
rocketman356
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Read the damn clock www.usdebtclock.org
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The scenery has changed big time. Japan will no longer be the 2nd biggest buyer of our debt. Japan will instead claim all the cash it can to re-build and fix. China already is slowing down purchasing our debt. The inevitable change is being hurried up by world events. Hope all of you are ready.
rocketman356
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The change might be rampant inflation when our credit dries up soon.The scenery has changed big time. Japan will no longer be the 2nd biggest buyer of our debt. Japan will instead claim all the cash it can to re-build and fix. China already is slowing down purchasing our debt. The inevitable change is being hurried up by world events. Hope all of you are ready.
rocketman356
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Must read for all tax payers www.thefreeenterprisenation.org/FENI/media/Docs/Unrestrained-Spending-Debt-and-Taxes.pdf