Seriously? Surprised that there were issues? You're just in ONE club. I can only imagine how many complaints there are to the DNR.
UP Signage Revisited
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Seriously? Surprised that there were issues? You're just in ONE club. I can only imagine how many complaints there are to the DNR.
I would not get too comfortable with the new MI sign policy. WI DNR interviewed MI riders along the UP & Vilas County border & MI riders had nothing but positive comments regarding Vials County trails compared to MI trails. The WI DNR statement was very broad but I'm sure trail signage was part of the positive Vilas trail experience. It is the silent majority that makes these choices & spends their income where the experience is best in their opinion. Just saying time will tell & not my place to critique trail siganage on UP trails I have been riding for so many years since I'm on autopilot. MI Newbies will be the ones to make this decision.
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lenny
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All I am hearing is a lot of "I'm sure" but your not sure of nothing other than you don;t like it and that;s all that matters. No one is restricting anyone from coming on this board and offering negative comments on the signage but no one has. I guess I could make ridicules statements saying that all the feedback presented so far is from liars.
Newbies are just that, inexperienced riders but that doesn't make them any less safe than Rickey R. Newbies would likely be compelled to ride more cautiously than hot rod Timmy.
Honestly, I am surprised to see how those who rely on the signs blatantly ignore the comments of actual experiences posted here,,but "I'm sure" your just kidding right? Right!
Newbies are just that, inexperienced riders but that doesn't make them any less safe than Rickey R. Newbies would likely be compelled to ride more cautiously than hot rod Timmy.
Honestly, I am surprised to see how those who rely on the signs blatantly ignore the comments of actual experiences posted here,,but "I'm sure" your just kidding right? Right!
I suspect part of the reason for that is, that it seems as if the recent trend on this board is to flame somebody as a whiner or a complainer if they say anything negative about something.
I still have my doubts (no, I'd certainly not say that I'm sure) that the change in signage will achieve 2 of the 3 stated desired results (it definitely will result in less sign clutter) but hey.....it is what it is, it isn't going to stop me from riding, and I still intend to enjoy riding. I think it will take several seasons to get a more accurate picture of the results. Time will tell.
Yes Polarice I was surprised there were issues, because during my riding this winter, I rode my club's trail system, two adjoining trail systems, and 4 systems in the eastern UP and did not have any problems, generally saw consistent signage, did not have any close calls and did not witness any accidents, or evidence of accidents where the signage was obviously different than in years past. From my perspective, the change in signage was a non-event.
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lenny
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are you sure of this? Not been eating any whacky brownies?
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lenny
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Not sure how to take this but lets looks at what we can sink our teeth into. We had the issue of wondering (and still are) if the signage will be a problem. We have people who have chimed in on their actual experience of riding the trail system and so far we see no issues, Where are all the people with issues? Those who complain complain that it may be a problem but did not experience a problem. I do not know how else to say it people but so far so good. The local gov stuck the responsibility on the people and the people stepped up and handled it,,,so far. I applaude Mi for such a radical position. Who would have ever thought we could ride with our own senses without being coddled,,,damnnnnn,,,!
polarisrider1
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so far so good!
polarisrider1
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As far as Fredster, he will tell you straight up. Never seen or heard him candy coat anything.
By my comments I do not mean that the removal of signs (plain idiotic) will affect everyone. Just that it will have a giant impact on more riders than not. How could it not??? There are no two ways about it. It's easier to understand than 2+2 math. By me having a hard time believing you are actually surprised makes me think that you and any other person that thinks this is a good thing couldn't really be that naive. I am in no way trying to insult you or anyone else. I just am to the point that its unbelievable that anyone could actually defend this stupidity of removing signs.
I guess, Lenny, I would urge you to take a look at some of the threads from a couple weeks ago where people who "whined" or "complained" about something were taken to task for it, and how there was a sentiment to get back to the "old days" where posts were of a more positive nature. There was even talk of creating a thread specifically for "whiners and complainers". So what I'm saying is, I'm not surprised if people haven't sounded off about this issue (if they do indeed have issues and if they don't, that's fine) since there's a good chance they would be put down for it. But this is getting away from the original intent of the thread so I'll leave it at that.
I, for the record, do have issues with it. They're not as great as what I thought they would be. In some cases what I thought would be an issue turned out not to be, and in some cases issues occurred that I didn't expect. While I am in complete agreement on the removal of several types of the removed signs, I still don't believe this change will have the desired affect(s) other than reducing clutter, I still think there are certain signs that should have been left up (and others that could come down), and that the whole program was implemented poorly. My experience comes from 1000 miles this season through 6 different trail systems. But no matter, it's done, it's there, I'll get used to it, over time the bugs will (hopefully) get worked out, and I intend to continue to enjoy riding.
polarisrider1
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Everyone keep in mind, "You can't please everyone". I noticed some irregularity in signage, but we had that before the sign changes. It is not a perfect world. I suspect some would like guard rails and a toll booth (in place of permits). I like the woods looking like woods meaning less signs. From what I have seen folks have slowed down, including me.
Toll booths? There's an idea! I am picturing the set up in blazing saddles.
polarisrider1
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same here!
POLARISDAN
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you were part of the original discussion when we had actual experiences, including mine, of danger at bridge crossings, including injuries and wrecked sleds, so to say nobody has said anything is incorrect..maybe not on this thread, but definately on a prior thread..
I think setting up ipass stations would be better - just like in Illinois. Otherwise it would be too hard to carry all that change on the sled.
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Sounds like a plan. That way we all get charged by the miles we ride, instead of the season.
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lenny
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and it had been determined it was due to poor signage,,, I honestly do not remember. It's hard for me to comprehend why we need so much info to ride a sled but I guess some people need it and depend on it. I believe it is easy to ride a sled and respond to condition, sleds and trail issues. Personally NO signs would be ideal except stop and corners. If you have time to respond to all conditions that's good. If you do not have time than you are going to fast,, simple as that. Just because your sled does 100 does not mean it has to. Speed will dictate reaction time and the person pushing the flipper needs to realize this!
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lenny
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I'm pressing the issue to see people posting serious content. So many just blerp out a blanket statement like they did when this issue arouse initially. In their head they believed there was gonna be people dying and crashes all over,,well it didn't and on the contrary for the most part the trail experience has been positive. I have no problem with complaints but let there be some meat behind the complaint. Lets allow the complaint to take us to a better understand to see some sort of change. Often we see a complaint and that's it, it served no purpose to improve the situation so why bother.