Vacine Shot

goofy600

goofy600

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Lenny you are correct there isn’t as much data out there as people would like so it is to each there own. But how often do we see lawyers wanting you to call if you took a certain drug for whatever and now 5-10-15 years later they find out it’s not as good as it could have been, some have died or now have other issues and those drugs went through proper testing and data. Life is not the same for all people and that is the great thing about America we do have choices, and even with all the data in this world on everything in this world people’s opinions will differ. So my point there isn’t enough data in this world that can tell everyone what they should do, but as you stated to each his (or her, or there) own. One last note as posted earlier got shot yesterday and today feeling fine little sore at injection point but that is all.
 
dfattack

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xcr440 said:
Boy I wish this statement would have held more water than it did a year ago.
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I was going to say something very similar to that. I feel we may soon have to make a decision to take the vaccine if we want to fly on a plane, travel to another country, maybe to attend a large sporting event...who knows. It's being discussed already. Some say "then I won't travel". Easy for some to say. If you have family in other countries it makes that decision very difficult. I'm hoping this goes away soon so we aren't faced with this decision. I have no need to take the vaccine at this time and won't. I'm healthy and don't want to put it in my body. If our ability to see our family is cut off without the vaccine, well then I will have to re-think my position. Tough call for sure for many.
 
mezz

mezz

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I was able to get put on a list last week for shot #1, rec'd a call last eve for the shot at 2 pm this afternoon. I'm all in, too many have not been able to get this opportunity. My 81 y/o parents had them with no real issues, so, I'm going for it. The way I look at it is, we have to do something so we can have a reasonable amount of normalcy restored. -Mezz 
 
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lenny

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goofy600 said:
Lenny you are correct there isn’t as much data out there as people would like so it is to each there own. But how often do we see lawyers wanting you to call if you took a certain drug for whatever and now 5-10-15 years later they find out it’s not as good as it could have been, some have died or now have other issues and those drugs went through proper testing and data. Life is not the same for all people and that is the great thing about America we do have choices, and even with all the data in this world on everything in this world people’s opinions will differ. So my point there isn’t enough data in this world that can tell everyone what they should do, but as you stated to each his (or her, or there) own. One last note as posted earlier got shot yesterday and today feeling fine little sore at injection point but that is all.
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<br>Agreed but I’d like to add this in addition;  the process in which vaccines are developed TYPICALLY have not been followed because of the “pandemic”.   A very large portion of the testing process has been compromised or eliminated so this is why the data is not available.  This should be a concern and better yet, strengthening out immune systems should be of primary concern.   If close to 1700 people have indeed died as a result of a rushed vaccine, we all should be extremely alarmed.  You won’t find me supporting anything without extensive research because the risk adverse reactions are great.  
 
goofy600

goofy600

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lenny said:
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<br>Agreed but I’d like to add this in addition; *the process in which vaccines are developed TYPICALLY have not been followed because of the “pandemic”. * A very large portion of the testing process has been compromised or eliminated so this is why the data is not available. *This should be a concern and better yet, strengthening out immune systems should be of primary concern. * If close to 1700 people have indeed died as a result of a rushed vaccine, we all should be extremely alarmed. *You won’t find me supporting anything without extensive research because the risk adverse reactions are great. *
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Very true, it is all just a time will tell thing with anything invented, so for the sake of everyone that gets or has gotten it the adverse reactions are very small with no real long term affects, and we can get to the point we can start to get back to some sort on normalcy.
 
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goofy600 said:
Very true, it is all just a time will tell thing with anything invented, so for the sake of everyone that gets or has gotten it the adverse reactions are very small with no real long term affects, and we can get to the point we can start to get back to some sort on normalcy.
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<br><br>IMO, we could have reached heard immunity 7 months ago if we would have just let it run its course.  Do you agree? <br>
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goofy600

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lenny said:
<br><br>IMO, we could have reached heard immunity 7 months ago if we would have just let it run its course. *Do you agree?*<br>
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Yes I agree we could have gotten to heard immunity sooner but I also feel the vaccine is needed for those who couldn’t handle getting covid (ie) my mother who has heart, lung, and kidney issues at 81 years old so I and she need this vaccine so we can get back to some sort of normal. So like has been said we all have our choices to make, if I just had to worry about myself probably wouldn’t get the shot but I will do what is best for my family and hopefully this country and in my (not speaking for anyone else) case it is to get the shot to get us back to some sort of normal if that is even possible or wantable ( word I may have made up but hopefully understandable).
 
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mezz said:
… My 81 y/o parents had them with no real issues. … -Mezz
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Well that's encouraging, says this 80 year old!
lenny said:
Agreed but I’d like to add this in addition; the process in which vaccines are developed TYPICALLY have not been followed because of the “pandemic”. A very large portion of the testing process has been compromised or eliminated so this is why the data is not available. This should be a concern and better yet, strengthening out immune systems should be of primary concern. If close to 1700 people have indeed died as a result of a rushed vaccine, we all should be extremely alarmed. You won’t find me supporting anything without extensive research because the risk adverse reactions are great.
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"… 1700 people have indeed died as a result of a rushed vaccine …" And more than 500,000 have died with no vaccine. Ya wanna play the odds?
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IMO, we could have reached heard immunity 7 months ago if we would have just let it run its course. Do you agree?
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Well to date we have had 560,000 COVID deaths with all that has been done; how many would we have had if we had "just let it run its course"?
 
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Skylar

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560000 deaths marked as covid. Will we really ever know how many deaths JUST from covid?
 
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russholio

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Got this yesterday from my health care provider. To me, what it's saying is that I'll be an uncompensated lab rat, with no avenues for recourse should the experiment go wrong. No, thanks.

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lenny

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frnash said:
Well that's encouraging, says this 80 year old!"… 1700 people have indeed died as a result of a rushed vaccine …" And more than 500,000 have died with no vaccine. Ya wanna play the odds?Well to date we have had 560,000 COVID deaths with all that has been done; how many would we have had if we had "just let it run its course"?
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Much less deaths if we let it run its course. Don’t forget that for 70 years old and younger the survival rate is 99.7%. So, the faster those 99.7% get it and build natural immunity, the sooner the vulnerable are protected. When we “slow the spread”, we slow our ability to achieve heard immunity. We actually encouraged the spread of CV by not protecting the vulnerable. When you mandate masks, social distancing, people feel a false sense of protection which enables the vulnerable people to continue to go about their daily routine with a mask rather than staying home and allowing people to provide for their needs.

What should have been practiced was our prior 2020 approach which was to protect the vulnerable while providing for their needs. We than allow the rest to function at their own risk which indeed will spread the 99.7% survivable virus, building natural immunity which in turn literally protects the vulnerable.

So to summarize! If I get the virus, I am no longer a risk to anyone. 81% of the US population is 69 year old and younger. If those 81% have a 99.7% survivability factor, let them get the virus, building natural antibodies so the majority of the population is not a risk to the vulnerable population. Heard immunity would be achieved very quickly. Slowing the spread slows heard immunity and encourages a lingering effect which is dangerous.
 
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goofy600

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russholio said:
Bingo. I wonder why flu deaths are almost non-existent?
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Just a thought not confirmed but with the mask wearing, social distancing, and so many schools closed for so long that the flu was able to be curbed also? Anyone that has or had children know how germs spread in schools, also with businesses of all sorts doing a much better job of cleaning and disinfecting all of these things have had to help keep things like colds and the flu down. Again just my thoughts and not confirmed, but would make sense.
 
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