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2020 US annual deaths are lower than 2019, kinda weird hey? Not sure who we can believe these days as stats are contested.
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2020 US annual deaths are lower than 2019, kinda weird hey? Not sure who we can believe these days as stats are contested.
I think you're on to something there. No doubt that Covid has been politicized but with all the aforementioned practices it may have had an effect on our regular flu strain.
goofy600
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My wife is a school teacher has been for 23 years every year she will get some type of cold some years worse than others, the last 8 have been in a school with 1200 people in it so it makes sense that is where it comes from just can’t get away from it. Last February before Covid was causing a lockdown they were very close to having to shut down the school because they had so many of the staff out with flu, cold, or whatever they had that they didn’t have enough subs to fill in. They were able to weather though it but it happens. This year granted a chance in schools 125-150 people in building and at home learning not even a sniffle.
Lenny,
Where do you see the 2019 deaths rates are less than 2020? Your comment made me curious and I looked at the CDC website.
Roughly:
2.8 millions deaths in US for 2019
3.1 million deaths in US for 2020
Actually 2020 may have set a record for US deaths?
Jim, a side note to that... you keep hearing "herd immunity" which is accomplished by what?... exposure and vaccination, now we know there isn't a vaccine for the common cold, and like the flu, covid affects people very differently, same with the flu that has a vaccine and is at best 50% - 60% effective and until this year killed on average 500,000 people worldwide, and who knows what else is out there that our bodies are exposed to and developed natural immunity to. Now you take away all of that exposure i.e. your wife not even getting a sniffle this year likely due to working from home, you have to wonder...are we setting ourselves up for another super bug? or how will the common cold or flu affect us the next time around. Me...I'd rather be exposed and get it over with.
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goofy600
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Brian I can agree with you, it could happen, one other thing to add is I’ve worked outside most of my life where the air is cleaner then recirculated building air and very seldom would get sick, but when I did it usually was a doozy, probably because I didn’t have the immunity to things like my wife would. They know schools are one of the biggest germ spreaders around some districts would give new teachers extra sick days if there first few years because they knew they would get sick more until they built up there immunity.
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<br><br>Great question so I am looking for my reference but cannot locate it. I saw the figure in mid January when I had covid. I’ll keep looking but let me explain this in the time being. <br><br><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: proxima-nova, sans-serif; font-size: 20px; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); -webkit-text-size-adjust: 100%;">The United States population is 1/24th of the world population (320 million of 7.6 billion). In the United States, 2.6 million die each year. That is 7123 each day, 297 each hour, and 5 each minute.<br></span><br>Our covid death count doesn’t mean you die from covid. The death count represents those who die with covid, not because of covid. So as the 7000+ people die or day, how many tested positive that actually died if a heart attack, cancer, car crash or any other death. <br><br>So when you quote the CDC annual death count, remember that it’s not actual deaths by covid but deaths WITH COVID. How inflated is the number of covid deaths, it seems to reason that the number is significant. Remember about seven months ago how Candace Owens made a big stink about this very thing I’m telling you? There was a young child who died in a home accident but tested positive and was counted as a covid death. This is a widespread miss use of statistics that is contributing to a nationwide perception that is false. I can easily prove this is the case by you simply watching a YouTube video of the Illinois doctor right in the beginning of the pandemic where she says this exact thing. I posted it above in one of my posts with a YouTube link. If the link is invalid just copy and paste it on YouTube and it will play. This is under the directives of the CDC. not particular states. Keep in mind that if you test today positive for coronavirus and you die in a car crash tomorrow, you are a Covid death. Before you write my perspective off as a false claim, watch the YouTube video with the Illinois doctor at one of their corona briefings and she will tell you how Covid deaths are recorded, and like I said, it’s the CDC’s directives, not states varying data processing.<br>
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Maybe, and I can see the logic there. I've heard it said that is indeed the case. But I've also heard it said that Covid isn't going away because people AREN'T wearing masks. I don't see how it can work both ways. I think there is a lot of information, misinformation, propaganda, and lies out there all the way around. Bottom line for me is, I trust me to know what's best for me, more than I trust the government to know.
I would agree with this from a personal stand point. I work at home, and the little woman (A nurse) used to tell me, my immune system is probably lower due to not being exposed to other people and "stuff" going around. In years past, I would get sick late summer, early fall, as I hate the heat, and try to spend as little time outside in humid weather as possible. This probably had me a little more at risk for catching something that would make me sick.
Ironically, in 2020, I took the opposite approach to staying home as we were told, and went out as much as possible, traveled as much as possible to different locations, and much to my surprise, I never got sick this past year! Just one guys personal scientific (NOT) findings.
And NO, I don't wear a mask.
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It is quite obvious that mask mandates, and the closings of schools, and people being more conscious about washing hands, has drastically cut down on the common cold and regular flu this past winter. Our cleaning crew here at work have done a fabulous job of the twice a day wipe downs of all common areas, door handles, bathrooms, etc. I myself believe this is the main reason that there were a lot less colds and regular flu here at work. By the way I see Trump is recommending everyone get the vaccine shot, so I will get one as soon as I can.
Just kidding, still not getting one!
Just kidding, still not getting one!
I get what you are saying here, but unless I misread your last post you said overall deaths in the US were down in 2019.
The numbers I looked up were total deaths by whatever reason.
Just when you thought it was safe to go back in the water....
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/202...ITASvFnLNBzdS6btW34EoKOkZRZ3jZAe78X4FpQ-KAR6Y
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/202...ITASvFnLNBzdS6btW34EoKOkZRZ3jZAe78X4FpQ-KAR6Y
skiroule
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Got my second vaccination shot this morning (Moderna) and I have to say, it’s a good feeling to have completed the shot series. I had no side effects from the first dose and I’m not anticipating any issues with the second.<br><br>Now that my 96-year-old mother and I have both been fully vaccinated, I’m hoping to be able to visit her in person soon, give her a big hug, and have a cup of coffee and a long face-to-face conversation.<br><br>
I swore that I wasn't going to post anything, but i guess I'm weak....LOL
Anyways let me first off say that it is up to you to decide one way or another to get the vaccine or not. I've been offered 4 times to get the vaccine and I'm not as I have my concerns. I guess the main reason is it hasn't been tested long enough. Second would be that the government gave these companies immunity for anything (death, sickness, whatever) till 2025. Third and here's the biggie, just because you got a shot today, how does it protect from different stains of the virus? Please don't say, because we have been told it will. How can you protect against something that hasn't even been produced (virus strains) yet. I have had covid already, doesn't mean that you can't get it again as my understand it the antibodies stay with you only for 90 days. I guess I'm done, but I'll leave you with this. So again how do we know the current vaccine is effective against this new stain? If anything I can see having to get a vaccine yearly.
COVID-19 U.K. Variant Detected in Wexford County
March 17, 2021
9and10news Site Staff
The U.K. COVID-19 variant has been detected for the first time in Wexford County.
The case was identified through routine surveillance by the Michigan Department of Health and Human Services.
This variant is considered more contagious but it’s not linked to more severe cases or outcomes.
The U.K. variant has been identified in 50 states and jurisdictions around the U.S. with 616 cases in Michigan as of March 11, 2021. The health department says if this new variant begins to circulate widely in Michigan, it could cause more death and hospitalization.
“The identification of this more contagious variant in our area reminds us that we must continue to take steps to slow the spread of COVID-19 by wearing a mask, staying six feet apart, and avoiding indoor gatherings,” said Dr. Jennifer Morse, Medical Director for the health department.
COVID-19 U.K. Variant Detected in Wexford County
March 17, 2021
9and10news Site Staff
The U.K. COVID-19 variant has been detected for the first time in Wexford County.
The case was identified through routine surveillance by the Michigan Department of Health and Human Services.
This variant is considered more contagious but it’s not linked to more severe cases or outcomes.
The U.K. variant has been identified in 50 states and jurisdictions around the U.S. with 616 cases in Michigan as of March 11, 2021. The health department says if this new variant begins to circulate widely in Michigan, it could cause more death and hospitalization.
“The identification of this more contagious variant in our area reminds us that we must continue to take steps to slow the spread of COVID-19 by wearing a mask, staying six feet apart, and avoiding indoor gatherings,” said Dr. Jennifer Morse, Medical Director for the health department. “
https://www.9and10news.com/2021/03/17/covid-19-variant-b-1-1-7-detected-in-wexford-county/
Anyways let me first off say that it is up to you to decide one way or another to get the vaccine or not. I've been offered 4 times to get the vaccine and I'm not as I have my concerns. I guess the main reason is it hasn't been tested long enough. Second would be that the government gave these companies immunity for anything (death, sickness, whatever) till 2025. Third and here's the biggie, just because you got a shot today, how does it protect from different stains of the virus? Please don't say, because we have been told it will. How can you protect against something that hasn't even been produced (virus strains) yet. I have had covid already, doesn't mean that you can't get it again as my understand it the antibodies stay with you only for 90 days. I guess I'm done, but I'll leave you with this. So again how do we know the current vaccine is effective against this new stain? If anything I can see having to get a vaccine yearly.
COVID-19 U.K. Variant Detected in Wexford County
March 17, 2021
9and10news Site Staff
The U.K. COVID-19 variant has been detected for the first time in Wexford County.
The case was identified through routine surveillance by the Michigan Department of Health and Human Services.
This variant is considered more contagious but it’s not linked to more severe cases or outcomes.
The U.K. variant has been identified in 50 states and jurisdictions around the U.S. with 616 cases in Michigan as of March 11, 2021. The health department says if this new variant begins to circulate widely in Michigan, it could cause more death and hospitalization.
“The identification of this more contagious variant in our area reminds us that we must continue to take steps to slow the spread of COVID-19 by wearing a mask, staying six feet apart, and avoiding indoor gatherings,” said Dr. Jennifer Morse, Medical Director for the health department.
COVID-19 U.K. Variant Detected in Wexford County
March 17, 2021
9and10news Site Staff
The U.K. COVID-19 variant has been detected for the first time in Wexford County.
The case was identified through routine surveillance by the Michigan Department of Health and Human Services.
This variant is considered more contagious but it’s not linked to more severe cases or outcomes.
The U.K. variant has been identified in 50 states and jurisdictions around the U.S. with 616 cases in Michigan as of March 11, 2021. The health department says if this new variant begins to circulate widely in Michigan, it could cause more death and hospitalization.
“The identification of this more contagious variant in our area reminds us that we must continue to take steps to slow the spread of COVID-19 by wearing a mask, staying six feet apart, and avoiding indoor gatherings,” said Dr. Jennifer Morse, Medical Director for the health department. “
https://www.9and10news.com/2021/03/17/covid-19-variant-b-1-1-7-detected-in-wexford-county/
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What I said was 2019 deaths were higher in 20 compared to 19. Back in January I read that somewhere. Now every search is nearly all CDC references so not sure why they dominate the search’s engines,,,,,but they do. Now all I read is 20 numbers are not available but likey yup 3.2 million compared to 19. Regardless, covid death reporting is a scam for the reasons I stated earlier.
Let them get the virus? Well, if that plan would work, why waste all the time, energy and money fabricating an anti-virus (or two, or three)? Really expedite the process: Don't just wait for them to "get the virus", GIVE IT TO THEM; inject 'em with the live virus, thus building natural immunity more efficiently, and speeding up that herd immunity! Problem solved!
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Frank, what I presented was our previous method of dealing with corona viruses. It’s proven effective without all the coloration damage that was created.
Exactly - all we did was kick the can down the road on this one.
goofy600
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It didn’t work for everyone!
Nor has or will the vaccine.