What happened to winter....ANSWER

[G]

If the poles are beginning to flip (which would weaken our magnetic shield during the reversal), we could see increased problems with electronics and satellites during solar flares. Animals that migrate using Earth's polarity could have some serious issues. Compasses won't work right for a long time. But it's not going to change Earth's axial tilt and effect our seasons. Humanity has a lot of bigger problems to worry about than a flip. But I wouldn't bother buying a new compass anytime soon.

Not to worry about seasons. I have no idea about that. I do know that calibrations of GPS systems has all of a sudden become important. For seeding and spraying and harvesting applications where measurements have to be down to an inch or less things are changing now where old measurements were used for years. Or since GPS farming started about 20 years ago. Something is up.

 

[Tracker]

Not to worry about seasons. I have no idea about that. I do know that calibrations of GPS systems has all of a sudden become important. For seeding and spraying and harvesting applications where measurements have to be down to an inch or less things are changing now where old measurements were used for years. Or since GPS farming started about 20 years ago. Something is up.

Yes....the GPS on all military and nasa satellites had to be readjusted as they were way off...and they had to send up more satellites just to increase the entire GPS network to able to cover and react to the rapid change that the magnetosphere is moving towards siberia....which in turn raises the longitude that was the equator to another number...which in turn moves the jet stream and all weather patterns that resided in warmer climes farther north....it is getting ready to flip...when it does weather will go wild...they are trying to figure out whether to correct the longitudinal and latitude numbers or adjust all GPS satellites and instruments

Ps...not to be confused with the longitudinal and latitude numbers of the earth as a an orb damageinc...just the magnetic ones for now...its why scientists are puzzled...its all in its infancy

As the solar material of a CME streams towards earth, the orientation of its magnetic field is vital. If its magnetic field points northward (the same direction as the Earth's) then the energy of the CME can be diverted by the magnetosphere. ... A CME carries with it a magnetic field

https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1029/2002JA009287

Because the field of a dipole is symmetric about the axis , the longitudinal component is zero. In reality, because the Earth's magnetic field is not a true dipole and because there are local concentrations of magnetic materials, a small longitudinal component can be found to the Earth's magnetic field.

 

[DamageInc]

Ok your clearly not understanding it....here's the deal

The Sun plays a large role in providing the Earth with light and heat, but its more subtle effects on the Earth's weather, climate and atmospheric processes are still a mystery. Scientists are especially puzzled by how the solar wind—streams of plasma ejected from the Sun—affects the Earth's climate system

Scientists are puzzled....only tracker ain't puzzled....the solar winds effect our climate...pure and simple....and to think it doesn't effect it is idiotic....I'll leave it at that....that link you posted is from 1996....new science says otherwise....study o grasshopper

https://eos.org/research-spotlights/solar-wind-may-affect-weather-climate

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It does effect it....google palm trees under the ice....the poles are flipping like grub says and I do too...and where it's cold will become tropical...how's that not effecting the climate if palm trees start to grow in the arctic????

Antarctica once covered in palm trees, scientists discover

https://www.pri.org/stories/2012-08-02/palm-trees-once-covered-antarctica-says-new-study

It doesn't matter if the link was from 1996 or from 2020. Obviously you missed the entire point of it, which was to show that it's perfectly normal to have some years and some decades that are much cooler or warmer than others. The entire last century was full of huge swings, which is perfectly normal for the upper midwest. It was only 6 years ago that we had the coldest winter on record here, and now we are having one that's a bit warmer than normal. It doesn't mean something is disrupting the system. That's just how it is in the upper midwest, regardless of your childhood memories.

Yes, Antarctic was ice-free at one time. It wasn't because of poles flipping, LMAO.

If our magnetic shield has a massive drop-off during the flip, it's going to have at least some effect on our climate. But a few hundred miles of shift in the position of the magnetic north pole isn't doing to do jack $hit.

 

[DamageInc]

It does effect it....google palm trees under the ice....the poles are flipping like grub says and I do too...and where it's cold will become tropical...how's that not effecting the climate if palm trees start to grow in the arctic????

Antarctica once covered in palm trees, scientists discover

https://www.pri.org/stories/2012-08-02/palm-trees-once-covered-antarctica-says-new-study

Wait a second, you don't even understand the difference between Arctic and Antarctic, yet you claim to be an expert on the effects of magnetic pole shift?

The last time the poles flipped was 780,000 years ago. It did not melt the ice at the poles. The last time the poles were ice-free was tens of millions of years ago, when dinosaurs roamed the earth. Nobody really knows what put earth into this semi-permanent glaciated state, but it's probably a combination of asteroid strike, solar activity, changes in earths' orbit, plate tectonics, volcanic activity, and atmospheric composition.

If that "100 years of WI winter" didn't help you to understand (now normal it is here for temps to fluctuate), maybe this will. Here is the average January temperature for Ironwood MI, for over 100 years. As you can see, it varies by more than 29°! 1912 had an average of -5.2°, and 2006 was 24.2°. The 1930s were the warmest; were the poles flipping then?

2016-13.5
2015-11.1
2014-2.5
2013-13.9
2012-16.8
2011-9.1
2010-15.0
2009-4.5
2008-13.2
2007-16.1
2006-24.2
2005-9.5
2004-5.5
2003-9.0
2002-19.3
2001-17.9
2000-12.0
1999-8.9
1998-16.5
1997-8.3
1996-5.6
1995-14.0
1994- -0.3
1993-12.0
1992-16.1
1991-6.1
1990-18.8
1989-16.4
1988-8.4
1987-16.8
1986-13.6
1985-8.4
1984-7.8
1983-14.9
1982-0.1
1981-9.6
1980-9.6
1979- -0.5
1978-7.8
1977- -1.2
1976-7.4
1975-13.6
1974-9.1
1973-17.4
1972-5.9
1971-6.6
1970-7.1
1969-12.5
1968-12.3
1967-15.2
1966-4.8
1965-8.5
1964-19.6
1963-3.3
1962-8.6
1961-11.2
1960-13.8
1959-5.2
1958-18.2
1957-7.1
1956-16.1
1955-13.4
1954-10.6
1953-18.5
1952-15.2
1951-12.8
1950-9.4
1949-18.1
1948-9.4
1947-17.7
1946-14.9
1945-9.9
1944-23.8
1943-11.3
1942-15.9
1941-16.5
1940-8.7
1939-20.2
1938-11.1
1937-6.2
1936-8.7
1935-8.7
1934-19.6
1933-19.6
1932-20.8
1931-22.2
1930-7.6
1929-1.9
1928-15.1
1927-11.7
1926-15.0
1925-15.1
1924-6.8
1923-14.8
1922-12.0
1921-17.9
1920-4.9
1919-19.7
1918-1.5
1917-6.4
1916-10.2
1915-11.7
1914-18.5
1913-11.7
1912- -5.3
1911-10.5
1910-14.6
1909-14.3
1908-14.2
1907-6.6
1906-19.6
1905-8.0
1904-6.1
1903-12.8
1902-5.5

 

[xcr440]

The climate is always changing.

And I am not posting to dispute polarity changes. I'm posting to say IN MY LIFETIME, the miniscule 50ish years I'm even aware of such changes during some 42,000 or 800,000 year cycles (What ever you want to come up with), I'm not going to notice jack of a shift in polarity.

If it snows, I'm riding. If not, I'll get the sled ready for when it does.

 

[old abe]

Yeah, well, I Say So What! Ride, be safe, enjoy!

 

[DamageInc]

Here is a graph of those average temps for the month of January in Ironwood. These temperature fluctuations are not something new; it's always been like this in the upper Midwest.

 

[mezz]

This is like the new series of the "Big Bang Theory", Sheldon vs. all on-comers. I think we know who is playing the part of Sheldon! LOL! Back to your regularly scheduled program..... Pass the popcorn please. -Mezz

 

[old abe]

This is like the new series of the "Big Bang Theory", Sheldon vs. all on-comers. I think we know who is playing the part of Sheldon! LOL! Back to your regularly scheduled program..... Pass the popcorn please. -Mezz

Spot on Mezz! None of us can change whatever it is, eh! Ride if can!

 

[sweeperguy]

the climate is always changing.

And i am not posting to dispute polarity changes. I'm posting to say in my lifetime, the miniscule 50ish years i'm even aware of such changes during some 42,000 or 800,000 year cycles (what ever you want to come up with), i'm not going to notice jack of a shift in polarity.

if it snows, i'm riding. If not, i'll get the sled ready for when it does.

Right On!

 

[Tracker]

Palm trees are found under BOTH north and south poles....and what I am telling you is an answer why winter is so warm and so late these last years....its effecting the weather....simple....believe it or dont....but it will and is happening right now under your noses

 

[DamageInc]

Palm trees are found under BOTH north and south poles....and what I am telling you is an answer why winter is so warm and so late these last years....its effecting the weather....simple....believe it or dont....but it will and is happening right now under your noses

The south pole is over ice and land, the north pole is over 14,000 feet of ice and water. The nearest landmass is over 500 miles from the north pole. You are wrong, again.

Did you skip right over the graph that I made? It shows that winters (in the upper Midwest) have always varied a lot from year-to-year, and there is absolutely NOTHING unusual about recent winters. You clearly don't even want to learn.

 

[Skylar]

Somebody pass me the popcorn, we have a classic case of two people disagreeing on something, and they are going to keep arguing about it FOREVER!

 

[DamageInc]

Somebody pass me the popcorn, we have a classic case of two people disagreeing on something, and they are going to keep arguing about it FOREVER!

Yeah, except one of us is using data and science, and the other one is telling fairy tales about palm trees at a place that doesn't have land.

 

[G]

Data and science are both incredibly boring. BS is so much more entertaining.

 

[united]

Evidence of palms was found in the Arctic seabed.

Yeah, except one of us is using data and science, and the other one is telling fairy tales about palm trees at a place that doesn't have land.

 

[old abe]

Data and science are both incredibly boring. BS is so much more entertaining.

grub, you are spot on! And besides, I say so what, eh!

 

[Tracker]

Yes I looked at your chart....we have all known about that for 40 years...its old hash....on the other hand you did not google...palm trees under ice...or palm trees under both poles...you would of discovered that in the last 3 years they found them under both poles....our understanding has changed dramatically from that chart and those numbers are irrelevant today

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Evidence of palms was found in the Arctic seabed.

Yes you and me both know he didn't even bother to look or double check me....a shame....since new things about this are discovered more and more

 

[mrbb]

welcome back Tracker
and would love you to tell me about MY local weather, here in NE PA
and how were so OFF of normal AVERAGES here
haven't had SNOW yet this winter, but have had several days in the high 50's and even 60's and LOTS of rain!
local lakes and water ways have NOT froze , ice fishing WAS a normal winter event, minus the past few yrs!
we have broke several ALL time record High's some a few days apart, and NOT just that ODD day of HIGH temps !
we have also broke ALL time record rain falls
I ain;t preaching anything here but, weather is VERY odd here any more, NOTHING like normal winters, be then a few weeks off or MONTHS as you say!
our springs are coming SOONER NOT later, so, hard to swallow a winter being a month or two off, if spring is coming sooner anymore with warm and green up's

I miss having 4 seasons here , now we seem to have them all almost all the time, never know what tomorrow will be!
any how
no hate here, just saying!
if scientist's keep finding new things, haw can old ways be trusted ? as that is where a LOT of data is so called coming from no??

 

[DamageInc]

Evidence of palms was found in the Arctic seabed.

Are you talking about kelp forests? The ocean is nearly 3 miles deep at the north pole. When the poles were ice-free, the water was even deeper, and the land mass was even further away. There has never been land and palm trees at the north pole. If you mean within the Arctic Circle, yes there were forests in the nearest land mass, but that's a long ways from the north pole. Tracker did not say there were palm trees in the Arctic; he said "Palm trees are found under BOTH north and south poles". Palm trees don't grow under 3 miles of water.