Has anyone ridden or ordered the new Cat 600? I'm interested to see how that engine performs and more importantly how it holds up and if Cat managed to find a way around the EPA 2-stroke issues that may or may not still be an issue for Poo and Doo, depending on what you read and whom to talk to. Seems like a good move on Cat's part to introduce the new technology on a limited basis, given the problems all the manufacturers seem to have when something new is released.
indy_500
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Most people interested in 600 technology went to Doo imo, 600 etec is fairing pretty well.
I don't know much about Doo's, but I'm curious how that new Cat engine works out, as far as reliability. It will probably take a few years to know.
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No problem pwolfy! I think we both know it's the amount of oil, or lack of, that is going through these new EPA engines as ezra alluded to above. I could ride a whole day and the oil level would hardly go down. At first I thought that was pretty neat. NOT! The oil pump is being turned up on my new engine and my wife's new 2014 on order. Nothing more important to a 2s than oil.
the only thing I have seen as far as some one other than the factory actually riding and reporting is this mo issue of OSM they love it. but I put no stock on what any rag has to say about any sled. most would not say crap if they had a mouth full.
Ha! idk what the guy bashing the SBA was smoking but if you spring check the SBA 144 with the 2" paddle, mt gearing and the gripper ski's you actually have a mountain sled that is 1000x better than the mountain sleds of 4 years ago. Sure its a bit shorter than a 155 but compared to what people were riding 4+ years ago its a crazy improvement. I've taken my SBA anywhere and everywhere my buddies on 155's go in the UP. Even a beginner rider will fair well with the SBA. Check out HCS for a million positive reviews on the SBA. Its by far the best chassis design in the backcountry. If you have any riding ability theres no need for narrower A-arms. Take the sway bar off learn to ride the sled. It carves like a hot knife through butter and It holds a side hill so easily its gets boring!
After 2500 epic miles on my 13' SBA, my dad snowchecked a 14' SBA with the same 2" setup. My SBA has been so reliable and awesome to ride were selling our Yamaha Nytro's. I kept mine last year thinking I would trail ride it - nope! I rode it 50 miles. the SBA's are great sleds. And if you dont want the 800 power (or worry about problems) they offer the same sled with the 600 motor this year.
After 2500 epic miles on my 13' SBA, my dad snowchecked a 14' SBA with the same 2" setup. My SBA has been so reliable and awesome to ride were selling our Yamaha Nytro's. I kept mine last year thinking I would trail ride it - nope! I rode it 50 miles. the SBA's are great sleds. And if you dont want the 800 power (or worry about problems) they offer the same sled with the 600 motor this year.
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YooprYami,
Is the SBA your dad ordered the snowcheck color? I loved it in person. Very sharp! Not the best pic, it was taken quickly with my phone.
Is the SBA your dad ordered the snowcheck color? I loved it in person. Very sharp! Not the best pic, it was taken quickly with my phone.
Turning the oil pump up seems like a logical solution but it also seems like it's too easy to be true. Does that have any downsides, other than the impact on gas and oil mileage? I don't know much about engines compared to most on this site, so excuse the ignorance but if that's all it takes, wouldn't everybody be doing that?
indy_500
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Very hard to get to (under injectors), many are too scared to turn it wrong way, etc. If you can't figure out why a 600 Poo went down, more than likely it was low oil consumption. My sled used a pretty low amount of oil its whole life, just crossing my fingers it isn't too late (3k miles). Poo 800s have a few other problems of their own but turning up the oil pump is a great start. No downsides, just gotta add more oil. Engines these days aren't made with any special metals or special bearings that need less oil versus 5 years ago. This is what OEMs have turned to in order to pass EPA compliancy. Cat 800 isn't EPA compliant but the rest of their lineup makes up for it (EPA requires the full line up to be a certain amount of pollutant free, im not so familiar with all the details on it but each individual sled doesn't have to be EPA compliant). Polaris continues to want to go all 2 stroke. A 2 stroke CVT clutched machine running 8k rpms using a track to push skis and 500 lbs of sled plus another 200 lbs of rider doing 100 mph down a trail or blasting through a few feet of powder will never be efficient. The EPA won't ever get it...
polarisrider1
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Indy, once again you make sense!
it is not the only thing but it is huge .no everybody is not doing it they assume the oem knows best and puts out a good product. the oem would much rather see more oil pumped in to any motor but the fed wont let them. and they cant tell the dealers to turn up the pumps because then they will no longer be compliant.most reputable engine re builders will tell u to add oil to every tank.
and allot of guys just dont care new sled every 2 yrs sell when warranty is gone.and some just have dumb luck.
they all have issues what u chose to do about it is all up to u. me I try to stay a step ahead of the 10hr+ tow/block and tackle fiasco out of the hills
OEMS have fleet credits with the EPA for the entire lineup for a model year. I would think Cat's 4s has given them plenty of fleet credits for a non compliant 800 2s engine. Poo 2s & Doo etec 2s are comitted to EPA clean engine requirements & ignor the credit system & just keep trying to advance the injected 2s tech.
Yep that's the one!! He's getting red gripper ski's and the low red windshield too. I can't wait to see it! Never made it to a snowcheck sneak peak this year. I got the retro edition last year which I think is beautiful but the 14's sure are sharp. Love the red rails!! I wish I could put them on my sled! Lol