Without all the fancy terms thrown at me, what oil should I use?
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Do you not realize, that its actually the way YOU talk to people on this site that got YOUR thread pulled on this very subject? Why do you think the thread got pulled? Please just answer that question before you go into a 1000 word essay. Perhaps not sarcastically berating people in your long responses would be helpful in curbing the childish argurements regarding this topic. The last 3 words in the above quote are trying to instigate an argurement. It might not be your intention but itscomming across as really desperate on your part to try to convince others of your point of view. I dont think people have a problem with your facts regarding the oil, (i run nothing but citgo) But I think its the "in your face, im right ,your wrong" way you come across presenting it that rubs people the wrong way. Maybe thats not your intention but it comes across like you feel if people dont see things the way you do that they are idiots.
In the last quote you accused rankins of not reading and comprehending, accused him of having a big fat ego, you have told him to let it rest(even though you wont when others have told you to), called him a "pant load". And even went as far to brag that you can type faster than him. I don think rankins was "running you down" cause he doesnt agree with you. I think he was curious as to why you are so passionate about this topic? So please explain to me how you are NOT belittleing someone or instigating an arguement? Please answer those questions first before you go off on yet another rant. Also be careful how you respond because it will be YOUR comments that gets another thread pulled. I see that you just wanna get the word out and present the facts and thats great. Its cool that you have good expierence to share with us. Im just not sure we need it repeated over and over and be mocked as ignorant if a person doesnt agree.
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indy_500
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haha lol, i created a thread and it turns into 2 guys arguing about oil
So what have you decided to run by the way? (just cleaned my valves with 1300 miles of poo gold and all i can tell you was "nasty!"
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At first use polaris gold oil got cost too much I switched over to used Citgo Snow@sea Synthetic blend for 5 years in My wife 2001 LE 800 and mine 2001 polaris XCR800. and no problems both sled have 8000 miles on them.
I buy my oil at Fleet Farm for $12 a gallon I used about 5 gallons a year.
I do clean the exhause valve once a year..
also I think citgo makes Yamaha lube. this come as suprise that citgo also make the oil for the Harley Davidson too.. check out the MSDS sheets.
I buy my oil at Fleet Farm for $12 a gallon I used about 5 gallons a year.
I do clean the exhause valve once a year..
also I think citgo makes Yamaha lube. this come as suprise that citgo also make the oil for the Harley Davidson too.. check out the MSDS sheets.
indy_500
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running polaris oil in the 700's because that's what has been run thru them. except for the xc sp but that had polaris so far for half it's life. sticking with arctic blue in my beater 99 indy 500. i can get polaris oil for $25 a pop. i was thinking of switching to sea and snow but didn't. i might still yet. who knows, haven't ridden either 700's but have put on 160 miles this year on the 500
SuperTurboDiesel
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olsmann,
Are you kidding? First of all, I didn't call HIM (rakins800) a "pant-load". I was calling the lack of "sufficient justification" from those that run Amsoil a "pant-load".
Perhaps it is YOU who needs to go back and re-read what I wrote?
Secondly, when a person makes a comment like "can you keep your answer under 100 words?" - That comment alone, IS an insult, and was definitely intended to BE an insult. Don't kid yourself otherwise.
I merely pointed out that I can type quickly, and that's often why my responses get lengthy very quickly. (Much as this response is also going to be.) My "dig" was; "is he jealous"? That was a responding "dig" for his original "dig" at me.
Third, I'm not instigating any arguements. These guys with their "one-liners" smart-arsed comments and deliberate "digs" that are directed squarely at ME are the ones that are instigating any arguements.
Fact is, most people can't seem take a "dig" in return, so why are earth are they dishing them out in the first place?
Unfortunately, there are way too many "whiners" on here that slam on others about oil. The vast majority of those people have not taken the time nor put forth any effort into any research into the topic to back their rude "one-liner" comments directed at me, for having a different opinon they they do.
So "olsmann", I hope I've cleared up any questions that you may have had.
To everyone: Please bear in mind, I've never directly insulted anyone for using Amsoil, Polaris oil, or any other brand of oil. No sir, not once. If you think I have, then you should probably work on your own reading comprehension. Seriously. (By the way, this is called "constructive criticism", not to be mistaken for an insult or instigation for any arguements.)
The following quote by "cih7250" is most appreciated, and also helps proves my point tenfold:
cih7250 said:
It appears that not everyone is completely closed minded. I wasn't even looking for this kind of response, but am glad that someone isn't so pig-headed to sit there and join in on the childish casting of insults my direction.
SuperTurboDiesel
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Skylar,
Language? I hope you aren't referring to swearing. Aside from the word "sh*t", I'm pretty sure that there was not one "swear word" in my responses in this thread.
Also, how do you figure that I'm the one that is berating others... by pointing out truths, facts, and my personal life-experiences?
What exactly do you call the above ^^^ comments by rakins800? Courteous chat and playful banter?
I think not... It's just his way of being insulting & instigating an arguement (in a round-about way), and everyone knows it.
Perhaps he just missed out on my oil thread that you pulled earlier, in which MANY of the "members" on here all ganged up and continued to BASH as hard as they could on me until you got fed up and pulled it. I guess that here in your discussion boards, a person isn't allowed to defend himself, when others are slamming them. So it goes.
Regardless, I don't understand why I'M being considered the "bad guy" here, simply because I tend to be highly opinionated and knowlegeable about certain topics.
Fortunately, I'm not the only one that knows and understands that I'm not one of the ignorant ones who has to act like a smart-arse to those folks (like myself) that have actually been contributing worthwhile responses in this forum. I know there are lots of people that would stand up for me, once they get to know me better. Some already have.
aesynthetics
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Amsoil, American made and they never compromise quality for cost. Become a preferred customer for $20 a year and buy it for $26.65/gal (4 gal case).
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SuperTurboDiesel
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Hey aesynthetics,
Your above comment is simply NOT true. Looks like you misunderstood.
$26.99 would be PER GALLON in a 4 gallon case, and NOT $26.99/4 gal case!
(I just did the math using real-life Amsoil pricing.)
For those that would like to know where these numbers came from, see below...
That number ($26.99) takes into account the following formula:
(1) 4 gal case of Amsoil Interceptor at retail price = $143.95
$143.95 X 0.25 = $35.99 (25% discount is for being a "preferred customer") This is also the "dealer cost".
So, $143.95 - $35.99 = $107.96 for a case quantity of (4), 1 gallon jugs.
4 gallons of Amsoil = $107.96 (plus tax)
$107.96 / 4 = $26.99 per gallon
So, it's $26.99 PER GALLON. (PLUS $20.00 additional for the "preferred membership".)
Therefore, you have to add $5 bucks to each gallon to make up for the yearly membership fee.
So, that brings the cost per gallon up to $31.99 per gallon. Ugh, even worse, but granted, it's still better than Polaris dealer oil pricing!
Now granted, the amount of membership fee added per gallon would "drop" exponentially as you buy more oil. This is true. The more oil you buy, the more you "save", so to speak. (Of course most people try to buy what they need, and not go overboard, thereby limiting any real big "savings".)
Finally, are there any shipping / delivery costs? (Well of course there are, and I haven't even got into that.)
So, for basic comparison, Citgo's Sea & Snow oil is available for $11.79 per gallon. No extra "hidden charges".
Therefore, even if you could buy Amsoil at a true $26.99 per gallon (which you can't, in reality), it's still by far more expensive.
It's 2 1/3rd times more expensive than the Citgo oil, as a matter of fact.
Unfortunately, most of us in this world really don't care where our oil is "made", any more than we care where our vehicles are "made".
(Despite what people say, actions still continue to speak louder than words.)
In most people's final purchasing decision, everything always seems to come down to 2 main criteria:
#1.) Will the given product serve its purpose well?
and
#2.) Is the product cost-effective?
It's really the same reason that people shop at Wal-Mart, which promotes both American jobs AND the Chinese ecomomy. The average Joe in this country doesn't have the extra money to spend lavishly these days, so the majority buy what they can reasonably afford.
If the politicians hadn't pushed America into NAFTA and global economization, and if corporate America hadn't shifted all our jobs overseas to "survive", then the "average Joe" wouldn't be in the predicament where we are forced to get the most "bang for our buck" at every turn.
For well over DOUBLE the savings, many of us will continue to run the Citgo in our sleds this season, with no worries.
Mmmm, just think of all the extra refreshments, food, and gasoline that we can buy with all that extra money saved... Sweet.
I'm not debating any of the facts, or sticking up for one product over another. But compare apples to apples: Yes, Amsoil is far more expensive than Citgo. But Amsoil is full synthetic whereas Citgo is a synthetic blend. I'm not saying one does (or doesn't do) a better job than the other, but I think it's safe to say that most (if not all) synthetic oils are more expensive than synthetic blends (and mineral).
That being said....I do use Amsoil but wouldn't mind giving Citgo a try -- if it weren't so hard to find in my area.
That being said....I do use Amsoil but wouldn't mind giving Citgo a try -- if it weren't so hard to find in my area.
aesynthetics
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Look at the quotes. When you are a preferred customer and you buy $100 in products you more than paid for your membership compared to buying retail.
aesynthetics
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Well said Russolio! You have to compare apples to apples.
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very true. I buy Amsoil for my sleds,truck,two cars,ATV,lawn tractor,snowblower,chain saw,and string trimmer. I also use it in my transmissions as well as diferentials and transfer casses. not to mention a 835 HP sprint car motor. I'm very happy with the product and its price.
aesynthetics
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rakins 800, Glad to hear you like the products! I have had many people tell me that now that they have tried Amsoil they will never run anything else. There is nothing better than changing oil once a year/25000 miles in everyday vehicles and saving alot of money and having the peace of mind to go with it!
SuperTurboDiesel
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Everyone is fully aware of that fact that the S&S is a synthetic blend and the Amsoil is straight synthetic. What is being compared is the fact that the Citgo is substancially cheaper, and it has PROVEN to perform just as well as the Amsoil, particularly in the real world applications.
Therefore, in those two aspects alone (Price AND Performance), it IS absolutely an apples to apples comparison.
Not to mention, "rakins800" we aren't talking about 4-stroke engine oil changes here either. We are talking about a consumable 2-stroke oil that needs to have the correct properties for lubrication as well as clean burning to keep the exhaust valves from coking up.
By the way, IMO, if you are crazy enough to leave ANY oil, synthetic or not, in your engine's crankcase for 25,000 miles, then you are insane.
With that said, I run straight synthetics in all of my autos and trucks. They always get changed every 7,500 to 10,000. Talk to any seasoned technician without an agenda for selling Amsoil products... 25,000 miles between oil changes is way too much, no matter what.
Whether talking about this "magical savings" from your "membership fee" or not, no matter how you look at it, Amsoil is still a severely overpriced product, retail or otherwise. More than anything, you are buying a "name".