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Yamaha's contract with Cat up this year (2019)
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TOAST is my opinion. Textron acquired Weber Motors, now Textron Motors, means they will be able produce, themselves the exact engine/powerplant that they need. For whatever the application, sleds, atv/utv, etc. And doing this as a "designed in" application from the get go. As being part of the whole vehicle design, weight, balance, handling all designed in for purpose. Thus, no more shoehorned/misfits.
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if what abe says is true that textron is willing to design from the ground up then what better engine supplier is there than Yamaha?....Weber?...LOL.
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I really doubt that Textron bought Arctic Cat to get rich selling snowmobiles. The only reason they bought it was for the distribution network to sell their side by sides.
who built the new "arctic cat" 2 stroke motor, was it arctic cat or was it textron ? and Im sure you are referring to Yamaha and Weber for 4 stroke technology, Im sure textron has deep enough pockets to "design from the ground up" I would be very surprised if either one or both got out of the snowmobile industry, and in all honesty would not be good to "only have two" as competition is a very good thing so is choice, without lots of competition building the better mousetrap becomes a thing of the past. Im sure you can go back and see a lot of industry firsts by a product brand that were either adapted or improved upon by other brands and without competition how much better will things become over time? I have to disagree and I hope that one or the other will not disappear by the wayside, with all the new developments along with the so far rough winter the preseason should be interesting to say the least, I for one hope they are both here to stay.
if what abe says is true that textron is willing to design from the ground up then what better engine supplier is there than Yamaha?....Weber?...LOL.
TOAST is my opinion. Textron acquired Weber Motors, now Textron Motors, means they will be able produce, themselves the exact engine/powerplant that they need. For whatever the application, sleds, atv/utv, etc. And doing this as a "designed in" application from the get go. As being part of the whole vehicle design, weight, balance, handling all designed in for purpose. Thus, no more shoehorned/misfits.
Maybe they can fix the famous "relay" that freezes when it is cold out too.
I rode with 3 nice fellas yesterday and one guy had to get out the hair dryer and extension cord to thaw the relay as the sled would not start at 9 degrees.
Strangely enough, the Poo I was riding hand started in 2 pulls.
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I pray Yamaha and textron hate each other and then they want to out-do each other in the sled business
Me too, those Textron UTV's are butt ugly; who designs the looks India?
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if what abe says is true that textron is willing to design from the ground up then what better engine supplier is there than Yamaha?....Weber?...LOL.
The better engine supplier is their "own". Total control, cost effective, in house production control, no import issues. By acquiring AC, they obtained engine manufacturing facilities also. AC producing 2 stroke tech engines, Textron/Weber for tech 4 stokes. Yamaha holds no grail in 4 stroke manufacturing, many other engine producers are every bit of the same equivalence, and qualities. I am not intending to take anything away Yami, what ever they do, they do very well. Other than the fact they no longer have the want, or will to build snowmobiles. And I'm sure they have a good reason for that.
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Polaris bought Weber Engines in 2010
Poo bought engines from Weber, not the company.
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Maybe they can fix the famous "relay" that freezes when it is cold out too.
I rode with 3 nice fellas yesterday and one guy had to get out the hair dryer and extension cord to thaw the relay as the sled would not start at 9 degrees.
Strangely enough, the Poo I was riding hand started in 2 pulls.
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Me too, those Textron UTV's are butt ugly; who designs the looks India?
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It is really easy to fix the relay issue. Take the original relays out and put in Polaris relays. Fixed. Also you do not need a hair dryer and an extension cord to thaw out the YamiCat relays. Just take them out and put them next to your skin for 5 minutes and put them back in. Temporarily fixed. Not the end of the world either way. You would think they encountered this problem in the 1000s of miles of testing. Or perhaps it was a vendor issue and they went with the cheapest relays possible for production.
Old Abe give it a break AC not going to build a sled with Weber. Lol. There are so many negative reasons to not partner with Weber far out weigh the reasons to continue with Yamaha. The most simple negative is the market would reject a Weber engine just on name identity. Talk about POS 4s sled engines one word. Weber.
BINGO! investor owned and driven companies all about $$$$$ or poor decision by engineers or purchasers, Arctic cat or Polaris do not manufacture relays but someone made the wrong choice and in the end it makes the brand name suffer, and all manufacturers have been guilty of it at some point, lets hope that this company pays closer to details and balance between profit and quality.
You would think they encountered this problem in the 1000s of miles of testing. Or perhaps it was a vendor issue and they went with the cheapest relays possible for production.
It is really easy to fix the relay issue. Take the original relays out and put in Polaris relays. Fixed. Also you do not need a hair dryer and an extension cord to thaw out the YamiCat relays. Just take them out and put them next to your skin for 5 minutes and put them back in. Temporarily fixed. Not the end of the world either way. You would think they encountered this problem in the 1000s of miles of testing. Or perhaps it was a vendor issue and they went with the cheapest relays possible for production.
Good advice.
Sad to hear this is a continuing issue from the first Vipers in 2014 all the way to this years model.
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Old Abe give it a break AC not going to build a sled with Weber. Lol. There are so many negative reasons to not partner with Weber far out weigh the reasons to continue with Yamaha. The most simple negative is the market would reject a Weber engine just on name identity. Talk about POS 4s sled engines one word. Weber.
Maybe Cat can resurrect the Weber carburetors from the past for 2020 sleds?
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Old Abe give it a break AC not going to build a sled with Weber. Lol. There are so many negative reasons to not partner with Weber far out weigh the reasons to continue with Yamaha. The most simple negative is the market would reject a Weber engine just on name identity. Talk about POS 4s sled engines one word. Weber.
whitedust LOL? AC partner with Weber? Really? They, Weber Motors, and AC, are one of the same, Textron. Textron acquired Weber Motor (2014), thus Textron Motor. Textron acquired AC in 2017. Yes, the Weber/Poo sled/engine was another shoehorned/misfit, bad idea, engine/sled combination. And yes, there were many, many, issues with those sleds. Weber, for many years has produced many purpose designed engines of various applications, and purpose. And also produce engine parts, and components for many major manufacturers, world wide. Weber has a rich history of very high quality, and reliability, as to design, build, and produce.
fuji, the "Weber Racing Carburetors" were of a California company. They were very good, kind of a "tech" carburetor. My wife's uncle raced midgets for many years. Mel Kenyon drove several of his cars. Ah, but you are to young to remember him! ERrrrrrrrr.
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Nobody knows how this is going to play out, we'll have to wait and see in March. But if were left with just poo and Doo he wont ever see the level of yearly innovation that we have all come accustomed too. Our kids in 15 years might be buying brand new G4's and Axis chassis sleds still. Not that thats a bad thing, both platforms are excellent. But we've been spoiled since 2003 every year sleds are way better
Old Abe I don’t care Weber was disaster with snomo engines it won’t happen with AC 4s but think whatever you want. The Yamaha engine suppler agreement will continue and of that I have zero doubts.
Perhaps so, whitedust. However, it does appear that will be Textron's decision. As with Textron Specialized Vehicles, Textron Motor group, and AC's engine development/production, they have already combined on engineering, development, and production. Textron has expanded engine manufacturing capacities/capabilities in Georgia, and St. Cloud, Minn has also expanded. So, unless Yami, or whoever, will build exactly what Textron wants/needs, as to size, weight, fit, power, and for less$$$$, than they can themselves, good luck. AC's engine development, and production capabilities were a big part of Textron's acquiring AC. As "in house capability" reasons to acquire. We shall see.