gogebic_sledder
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x2, i like polaris alot but i would never buy one. You dont see as many on the trails compared to when it first came out.
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x2, i like polaris alot but i would never buy one. You dont see as many on the trails compared to when it first came out.
alwaysright
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Maybe it's just me but I've seen alot more this year. The first year they were out I only saw a few, my last trip I saw no less than 50.
I don't think they're going away, not just yet anyways, they have a premium price and the one guy I know who has one said he would never go back to a regular skid.
I agree with this speculation & Poo not interested in 4s at this time. Since I'm a 4s guy Poo has nothing for me & way behind all the remaining 3 OEMs with 4s sleds. I don't think this is the correct path for long term market future but where Poo is now. http://www.supertraxmag.com/article.asp?nid=2416
If you like the Indy then getting what you want but if you want more than that got to agree pretty much a yawner but typical Polaris history milk & refine what you have as long as it sells to the faithful. As always good bang for the buck but not where I'm at I'll pay for the best 4s trail sled out there.
I didn't see it on there, but maybe I missed it. That cargo rack is kind of cool on the voyager. The Indy's overall are good looking sleds.
Still seems strange to me that they haven't made much of an attempt lately at the 4 stroke market. If that 600 they have holds up, perhaps it isn't that much more costly to operate than a 4 stroke when you factor in all the costs. If you can get an Indy for $6-7k, and get it to run 10,000 miles and get 14-16 mpg's and it's not too bad on oil, that's probably not too much different than buying a 4 stroke for $9k. Long term reliability is probably the big question mark.
It's a good thing that all 4 are taking a different approach.
Seems like the planned obsolesce plan used in the USA auto industry in 50s & 60s keep the price low use it up then buy another. 4s sled offerings just the opposite of that position so I see why Poo is doing what they are doing with Indys. Maybe Poo will change this trail sled direction but highly doubt it? They need products to grow into as you want a more refined sled. I do think veteran snowmobilers want more than Indys but great sled for the newbies so time will tell or the Poo market will divide up via other brands people buy what they want technologically & per demographics from what OEM that puts it all together for them.
For 80% of riders, the 600 has more than enough power. Keep the price low, and they will sell more sleds. I have zero interest in spending $10k on a snowmobile, and I ride thousands of miles a year. Think of those who spend that much, and are lucky to get a thousand in 2 or 3 years. Of course, those are the sleds I'll be looking for in 3-5 years...... So I shouldn't complain others want to blow the wad.
indy_500
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Those 2 things do not go well together. Less oil= Less lubrication. If you want to use less oil on your sled turn down your oil pump its as simple as that. It WILL blow up sooner, you can only push a 2-stroke too far and these new sleds are past the limit. The days of getting 10k out of your 2 stroke are LONG gone.
Exactly & that is why I think planned obsolesce is part of the poo marketing plan with the Indy. Keep the price low use it, sell it or trade it, then buy another & do it over again. It is the fast nickles vs the slow dimes marketing plan tha Poo is very good at. The problem comes in when you want something more refined just not really there currently to take that step upward same engine all around. I don't know what Poo should do since so invested in the Indy but I can see the marketing rut they are headed for just like the wedge. Poo might have tons of stuff in R&D pipeline to address progress thru the product line & maybe holding back since only 2nd year of the new Indy but it will be a problem in the future.
anonomoose
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You would have to be blind and dumb not to see how the 4 stroke market is expanding. From every other maker, the 4 stroke is king now...2 strokes are still there but having trouble with the EPA credits and engine life. Let's face it...if your engine needs to be rebuilt in 4 or 5k miles, how cheaply do they have to make the sleds to off set the expense of a rebuild? Resale has to take a hit too, cause who wants to buy a sled that has already needed to be torn down and started over.
Polaris is back peddling in a tough market and one 4 stroke sled in their entire line-up for 2014 says a whole bunch about where Polaris is going. They have basically abandoned the snowmobile market and it would not surprise me if they get right out of it this year or next.
Yamaha all 4's, and skiddoodle makes 3 sizes, and cat still refining their monster turbo but making it available across a broad line of sleds. These things are telling for sure.
Polaris is back peddling in a tough market and one 4 stroke sled in their entire line-up for 2014 says a whole bunch about where Polaris is going. They have basically abandoned the snowmobile market and it would not surprise me if they get right out of it this year or next.
Yamaha all 4's, and skiddoodle makes 3 sizes, and cat still refining their monster turbo but making it available across a broad line of sleds. These things are telling for sure.
I would disagree with the 4s comments. After riding over 20,000 miles on top performance Yamaha fours since 2006 I finically switched to a Polaris 2 smoker and I'll tell yah what... I would never go back. My dad has about 24,000 miles on yami's and he liked my poo soo much he is selling both is yamaha's and buying a Polaris 2 smoker. I was riding a Nytro Mod cranking out 145hp or so. My 800 switchback assault is looking around 160 ponies and weighs almost 100 pounds lighter. Thats a damn lot of weight. I wouldnt go back to 4s until they go on the biggest looser and loose some weight. With the reduced weight the ride quality is absolutely incredible. I loved my Nytro but its a pig. A huge fat overweight pig. The SBA makes me a better rider and gets me where i want to go with much less effort. I agree there are a segment of riders who stick to the trails and don't care about weight - I agree that 4s is the future for that crowd. But there's another group of riders who want high performance machines. 4s are not high performance machines unless your building 20k custom sleds. For a stock, high performance machine the 2 smokers will be around for a while. Even cats turbo 4 weighs a ton. Now, it rips in a straight line but its a pain to actually ride due to its weight..
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polarisrider1
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Comedy night at JDee. Poo is not going anywhere. I do pick up on Polaris envy in most of the posts here. Mtn sleds is Poos money maker as of now and a 4stroker is not an issue at this time. Besides they can buy a 4 stroke from many vendors or pull a version of one from either bike division they own. Why put yourself out of the money any sooner than the government forces you too? Who wants a switchback or RMK that weighs a ton and sounds like an Opel Cadet? Trail sled market growth is flat compared to "Off trail" segment. It is all about the money.
shoelessjoe
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I like that so many people complain about reliability, then in their next breath complain when a manufacturer doesn't come out with a totally new chassis every other season and then follow that up with a complaint about the price of new sleds. You simply can't have your cake and eat it too.
If you want a new chassis every other year than guess what, you're going to be dealing with "first year bug's" every other year. If you want a new chassis every year you are going to be paying for new tech development, new manufacturing process', new testing, etc every other year. If you want a reliable sled with the bugs worked out than let a manufacturer work with a chassis for a few years.
If you want a new chassis every other year than guess what, you're going to be dealing with "first year bug's" every other year. If you want a new chassis every year you are going to be paying for new tech development, new manufacturing process', new testing, etc every other year. If you want a reliable sled with the bugs worked out than let a manufacturer work with a chassis for a few years.
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shoelessjoe makes a lot of sense!!
I hear that Polaris is leaving the business every year, and it is funny to hear again. 4 years ago someone posted on here that they knew for sure that Polaris would be out of the sled biz in 3 years. LOL Are there areas they need to improve? For sure. However, they do make a pretty decent mountain sled and trail sled.
I hear that Polaris is leaving the business every year, and it is funny to hear again. 4 years ago someone posted on here that they knew for sure that Polaris would be out of the sled biz in 3 years. LOL Are there areas they need to improve? For sure. However, they do make a pretty decent mountain sled and trail sled.
X2 Polaris in good shape with 2014 line up for now just no where to go with refined trail sleds but back to the future with Indy cash cow for them. Should be very profitable & their roots to snowmobile trail market worked in 90s. 2016 line up & beyond is the question & poo may have a plan just don't see it now.
oldguy
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Rumors from reliable sources say the DI Polaris developed was getting worse oil mileage and about the same fuel mileage as what they have now. The costs for the DI was much higher, the project was shelved. Rumors also were running around that the RZR 900 motor was going to be their competition for the ACE from Ski doo. The development cost didn’t justify the amount of sales they projected, again shelved. There are also rumors that there are Rushes running around with 4 strokes in them. Who knows if anything will come of that. I think with a shrinking snowmobile market, Polaris will be limiting R & D. Completely redesigned chassis and engines will be slow in getting to the consumer, if at all.
polarisman_98
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I think you nailed it.
Agree if Indy & 2s Mountain sleds not for you will have to shop elsewhere but very profitable for Poo until market saturated but that will take awhile. Polaris has been there before & they are in a seemingly good position for now the short term 2s market. If AC,Yamaha or Doo take a huge step forward with something new Polaris could be caught flatfooted but also been thru that before too & recovered. For me Poo does not have the refined 4s trail sled I need but just me.
