snobuilder
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hey MOMO...after watching the yellowknife series, if you could choose a one sled fits all for him, what would it be....or does this guy actually need 2 sleds for how and where he rides?
Reviews of renegade backcountry from the artic north
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momoney2123
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He actually i think still owns 3 sleds. Nytro, viper, and renegade. I kno the viper is for sale but never mentioned selling it
. I think he found the perfect sled. A 137 × 1.75, that can handle the bumps and also carv powder while being able to pull a tobaggon. He did mention his disappointment with skidoo going away from the 137 back country and opting for a 146 with tmotion. as he mentioned in the pro-x switchback review he feels the sled is too stiff for him, but likes the 1.75 track. The pro-s switchback would
be perfect, but no 1.75 track option. If i was moving to yellowknife, being a doo guy i would buy a freeride 137 with the 1.75 track option.
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In a perfect world tho where money is no object. Having a workhorse for ice fishing and hunting and then a sled to play on would be ideal. Unfortunately i think he finances these sleds so he must be somewhat strapped.
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I didn't expect to hear that from you, but I give you credit for an honest opinion. They did seem to get it right. Doo needs some competition, they've been #1 too long.
momoney2123
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I didn't expect to hear that from you, but I give you credit for an honest opinion. They did seem to get it right. Doo needs some competition, they've been #1 too long.
Poo has sum good stuff out no doubt.
I still cant believe they haven't released a 4 stroke tho. The # i hear thrown around is 4 strokes are roughly 25% of the overall market
and growing. Pretty big chunk...they have to be developing something..unless they are waiting for the cat/yamaha contract to end and make a deal for their engines. Who knows
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I agree on the 4 stroke! That's the market share % I've been hearing too. You have to think their market research tells them their market share won't change much with a 4stroke, but who knows. I've been scratching my head for a few years now on this. I'm hoping it won't be long. I'd love a Honda engine in a Poo chassis.
but that was not a first yr sled. that 6 had been out from 04 and the exact same chassis was out the yr before as a m6 141 .there are a few exceptions to the rule but every 1st yr sled I got was a pile and I have seen many many 1st yr runs with a lot of growing pains .
I never said the yamaha is crap they make a fine trail sled . true I also said the only thing worth a chit on the new yammi cat is the chassis and I still think that is the case . that motor is fine but deff not some ground breaking motor. smooth power ok what else no weight reduction no power increase u attempt to put anything close to the boost the zuk can take u will have a soft ball sized hole in your case . it makes a fine trail sled but again if i wanted a 4st cat the turbo is way more fun IMHO can handle any thing that stock turbo can push out and more . I have been on the yammi cat it is a fine sled but I would rather have the 600 for a trail sled . just as reliable with out the weight of the turbo or yammi.
I still think it is crazy that yamaha is digging in its heels with this 4st thing . if they wanted they could be on top but they just quit. I dont care u look at there 2016 line up the only thing they have going in the cat. come on really a shock absorber on the rear bumper and between the shocks that is what it has come to for 15g.like I said I think they just gave up in 09
momoney2123
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wow...I skip a month on here....and you guys blow it up with brand wars......I can't speak for anybody else....but I absolutely love my apex xtx...I'd like to soften the ride up a bit (star kit??)...but otherwise it's perfect for me (and many of the guys who own them)....I'm not gonna bash ski-doo...they make a fine product...they are just not for me.....My yamaha (just like previous yamaha's I have owned)..was turn key and go...put gas in and RIDE that was it...I will need slides, and carbides next fall. Couldn't be happier with my purchase...I am planning to ride this sled the next couple seasons...and when I do upgrade...it will be another 4 stroke yamaha...the best thing that happened to me this winter was the cat crapping out on me (again)...in January...this was my best winter of riding in two years.
So much envy of the yamaha product from the yellow side...lol Hate on yellow riders....hate on....don't care....lol....that red flash that blows by you...yeah...that's me, and my ill handling, heavy pig 4 stroke yamaha...oh....and BTW....my goggles are RED (like my jacket)...not BLUE....
So much envy of the yamaha product from the yellow side...lol Hate on yellow riders....hate on....don't care....lol....that red flash that blows by you...yeah...that's me, and my ill handling, heavy pig 4 stroke yamaha...oh....and BTW....my goggles are RED (like my jacket)...not BLUE....
snobuilder
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Got to agree with Attak man....most Yamaha guys only bring up their sleds on here because some yellow pompom waver can't possibly tell us all how wonderful their Doos are without also,...in some way, large or small...rip on a Yamaha....I'm beginning to realize that us Yamaha owners is livin in a Doo owners heads rent free....LOL
I also agree that Doo makes a great sled....the silent majority that go about their riding without having to rip another sled can't all be wrong in their purchase.
I also agree that Doo makes a great sled....the silent majority that go about their riding without having to rip another sled can't all be wrong in their purchase.
X2 Snobuilder....I learned my lesson....I have never had a more trouble free sled than my 07 Attak, and now this apex (so far).....Ski-doo should hire that guy....he's a PR machine for them...lol
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lenny
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I don't know guys, I think you need a doo, we keep hearing they doo it all very well!
Yep I refer to myself as a 4s guy any brand but now riding 2012 Apex XTX & have 17K trouble free miles on Yamaha 4s. I too think doo makes good sleds but has nothing in the 160ish hp 4s ...heck 150 hp would be alright but again nothing availabe. Can't complain about Apex XTX with eps other than could be more cushy ...maybe new single shot 146 is the answer? Yamaha makes great sleds too & yes they are heavy to bench press. lol
sweeperguy
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u should let all the guys I still see even this winter with the hair dryers under the hood at motels on those cold mornings how great there sleds starting reputation is
Are these sleds that don't have a pull start, only electric starter. Never got that, why not have a recoil, even if it was only under hood and not like regular, below handlebars.
Simple ...You can't pull start a 4s need electric start to turn that puppy over....recoil would be useless.lol I found my Apex won't start at -30F unless battery is peaked but never had the frozen relay problem. This is 1 of the reasons 4s makes no sense in Yellow Knife ...wrong sled application in those temps.
momoney2123
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Allan had no problem plugging in his engine block, battery charger and battery heating pad for 2 hours before he would go riding. The engine always turned over real fast and the engine temp would be 30C. But would not start. just sayin...
Even if it did start going to be problems when no place to plug in heating pad & charger...again a bad application for any 4s.
momoney2123
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He carries a generator with him. So no matter where he was he could plug it in.
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As ive mentioned you should watch sum previous episodes to get an idea. He didnt ditch the 4 stroke because of one thing or another. Is was a number of things. it proved to not be reliable enough to warrant the extra work.