Here's the New 2017 Ski Doo's

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ac600sp

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I haven't seen or heard of many 800 etec 's making it last 5,000 miles before needing a rebuild. I'd never buy one. The two piece crank won't help the problem either. Cat 800 2 stroke are tried and proven. My cat might use more fuel and more gas but I know when I hold it wide open it won't blow up!
 
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ezra

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whitedust said:
True 200Hp 4s is more like the Mach than any other market segment but that is not me. 100 & 130hp 4s not at all interesting to me but Renegade & MXZ sleds with 150 HP 4s would get a serious look by me & dealers want it too. To me doo is missing a 150hp 4s from their line & why doo does not fill that hole seems silly to me? Do they really think a long time 4s user will want a 2s 800 or 850 etec? If you are a big mile 4s rider & want to gas & go 2s is not the answer. I think doo knows this but 150 hp from them is stuck with just 2s sleds...disappointing for us 4s riders and can't buy what doo doesn't offer.
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I don't want 130 hp I don't want 200hp I will only be happy with 150 :rolleyes: U must be a real treat to cook a meal for
 
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whitedust

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indy_500 said:
And what shape is the rest of the sled in? Before my off trail days, I usually pushed my sleds until 8k miles before I dumped them, and the entire thing was trashed by then. If you can ride easy enough to make a sled last 10k miles and still be worth something good for you, but at 10k, I'd have gone through 2 tracks, 2 sets of skis, every pivot shaft would have been replaced already, 3rd set of driveline bearings, 2nd set of bogey bearings, probably 2 sets of bogey wheels, after being rebuilt 3 times the shocks would probably have nothing left, All of the rod ends/ball joints would have 1/4" play in them, I see no point in buying a sled thinking your end goal is to run it over 10k miles. Sure you can maintain it but by the time you add cost of parts, and depreciation, you might as well buy new well before 10k miles...
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I stay away from my brand is so much better than your brand discussions but your response is begging for that....lol. Sure all brands need bearings & boggies but not a complete chassis over haul you have listed. My Apex xtx shocks are about 9800 miles now don't need rebuilding but I'm going to custom rebuild anyway. You ride in 2 inches of snow I ride in a foot or more. I'm sure you are much harder on a sled than me but I don't baby mine in good conditions either. My Attak had 10K on both track,studs & shocks both performed well showed little wear. Current Apex xtx ice ripper looking great at 9800. The shock rebuilds on my Mxz doo was the same as you listed but not on my Apexes. I know lots of peeps that get 10K miles on Yamaha sleds & chassis are tight engines purring. I not saying your sleds didn't need all that fixing prolly did in the conditions you ride & how you ride has a lot to do with how your sleds held up & how mine held up. I bang unplowed FRs every outing for 60 miles RT just what I have to do to get to Vilas trails & UP trails. Over 10 years & 2 Apex I have 20K miles no engine repairs, no shock rebuilds, no track replacements. My Mxz 800 5000 miles 2 engines, 2 shock rebuilds & track was shot as well so I have had that happen to me & know where you are coming from. Apex going strong chassis & engine 10K easy so all that weight must help the structure of the sled as well. Rail away but this has been my experience. lol
 
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lenny

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indy_500 said:
And what shape is the rest of the sled in? Before my off trail days, I usually pushed my sleds until 8k miles before I dumped them, and the entire thing was trashed by then. If you can ride easy enough to make a sled last 10k miles and still be worth something good for you, but at 10k, I'd have gone through 2 tracks, 2 sets of skis, every pivot shaft would have been replaced already, 3rd set of driveline bearings, 2nd set of bogey bearings, probably 2 sets of bogey wheels, after being rebuilt 3 times the shocks would probably have nothing left, All of the rod ends/ball joints would have 1/4" play in them, I see no point in buying a sled thinking your end goal is to run it over 10k miles. Sure you can maintain it but by the time you add cost of parts, and depreciation, you might as well buy new well before 10k miles...
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Indy, we have several high mileage customers that bring their sleds in off season and we go through them so they are confident the have a problem free, or lessen the odds of breakdown. Last season a 17300 miles vector came in and looked like new. We removed the skid and checked it out, changed the two outer bearings (axle), inspected clutches and found primary shelve worn, and numerous other inspections and services. The bill was just over $600, us and the owner feel good the sled was ready for another and it did indeed provided the owner another trouble 4K season. Point is, the owner loves his sled, and intends to keep it as long as it keeps him interested. The same thing can be done with 2s sleds but at 17k miles you would have had 2 rebuilds buy now, minimum of one. If you didn't blow up and loose the cylinders you can get by much cheaper so there are some strong benefits for 4s lovers, gas and go riders.
 
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old abe

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We too have many sleds over 10K. We buy new, and take care of them. We ride a lot of miles. Service when needed, and ride them. Bearings, belts, clutch service, all wear items, and service as need. Tracks only replaced due to upgrades. Never had shocks go 10K, but rebuild when needed makes for top self riding. Have 2 SDI 600's never touched, and only cleaned raves once each. Just had to see what they looked like at 8K. Wiped clean with brake clean, and reinstalled. We don't beat our sleds to death, but we use them. If taken care of right, we get many happy miles out of them. All of them 2 stokes, except 1 4 stroke.
 
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frnash

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whitedust said:
The steak dinner costs X .... fast food burger costs X..... Same with sleds & HP. :)
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Now that rings a familiar bell, and reminds me of my days in the SF Bay area in the mid 1960s, flying from Petaluma Sky Ranch Airport, now Petaluma Municipal (O69), and all the "Fly-In Lunches(/Dinners)" with folks from the office. Like:
  1. Jonesy’s Famous Steak House at Napa County Airport (APC) Napa, CA (Closed on Aug 17, 2010, since replaced by The Runway at the same location.)
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  2. Boom Trenchard's Flare Path Restaurant — Later the Windsock Bar & Grill[SUP]1 [/SUP](subsequently closed and demolished), right on the flight line at San Diego International (Lindberg) Airport (SAN), San Diego, CA
    "You sat about 500' down the main runway, also overlooked the GA runway approach end. Great view! Seats on the glass had speakers. … Popular with Navy Pilots too. [SUP]1[/SUP]The Windsock Bar & Grill had a short appearance in the movie Top Gun but if you blinked you missed it. (In the scene in Top Gun where Maverick is sitting at a bar drinking a glass of water, Charlie finds him and asks 'So, I am too late?' There's a big picture window with planes on a runway in the background."
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  3. The absolute best Dry Aged Prime cuts of Steak at the Harris Ranch Steakhouse and Restaurant at Harris Ranch Airport (3O8) Coalinga, CA (Still there and going strong!)
See also: "The $100 Hamburger – A Pilots’ Guide".
And some of youse sled jockies bitch about the cost of the new sleds and 2-stroke oil? Hah! :cool:
 
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snobuilder

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At about 10000 miles the 8dn belt will have worn deep grooves well into both Yamaha clutches....That ain't a cheap fix.
 
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journeyman

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snobuilder said:
At about 10000 miles the 8dn belt will have worn deep grooves well into both Yamaha clutches....That ain't a cheap fix.
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That is typical if you ride at cruising speeds 50-60 mph most of the time. Pretty much what happened to Nick Keller's clutch at about every 12-13,000 miles. Yamaha/Pat's gave him a new primary at least once I know of. I was at Pat's when he was getting the clutch replaced. Not totally sure how it was covered cost wise though.

I put close to 10,000 miles on my 2s Viper but never had this happen but I cannot say I am a cruiser. I usually wring out the power on my sleds.

My Attak had a groove in the in the primary faces from the original owner who also was a 50 mph cruiser. I had the faces re-machined by a machinist friend I work with that also is a Yamaha guy. So you can have the clutch faces redone instead of buying another primary clutch.
 
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whitedust

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journeyman said:
That is typical if you ride at cruising speeds 50-60 mph most of the time. Pretty much what happened to Nick Keller's clutch at about every 12-13,000 miles. Yamaha/Pat's gave him a new primary at least once I know of. I was at Pat's when he was getting the clutch replaced. Not totally sure how it was covered cost wise though.

I put close to 10,000 miles on my 2s Viper but never had this happen but I cannot say I am a cruiser. I usually wring out the power on my sleds.

My Attak had a groove in the in the primary faces from the original owner who also was a 50 mph cruiser. I had the faces re-machined by a machinist friend I work with that also is a Yamaha guy. So you can have the clutch faces redone instead of buying another primary clutch.
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Worth checking for no idea what causes it other than hard belt & our Apexes just don't break belts so not in there to check for groove on any of our sleds. We are all over the power curve & life of my sled has been in mostly in UP & Vilas Twistys. It will be interesting to check now at 10K miles.
 
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snobuilder

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You may not think you are a cruiser because you nail it every so often but that hard as nails 8 DN belt spends most of it's time within a 3/4" mid face radius.
 
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journeyman

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snobuilder said:
You may not think you are a cruiser because you nail it every so often but that hard as nails 8 DN belt spends most of it's time within a 3/4" mid face radius.
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Yep I realize that but I do believe it is more pronounced if you really do ride in that 50-60 mph window. Nick Keller pretty much had to being he was doing the Guinness record, he had to follow all the laws and rules.

When I bought my machine from Kip I was lucky he gave me the original owners phone number. I talked with the guy for about an hour to get the skinny on all the maintenance done over the years and he told me he pretty much rode in that speed range too being he only rides with his wife.

That belt is hard though, probably why it lasts so long.
 
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journeyman

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I see the latest Sledhead 24-7 has been aired. They slated best groomed trail sled is the Sidewinder. The best rough trail machine is the new Cat RR machines and the best mountain machine the new 850 Summit.

Just watching the videos all three of the 2s mountain machines (Poo,Cat,Doo) they looked like a blast and you could tell they are really well behaved and easy to flick around in the deep powder. The new SW turbo looked like he had to muscle the machine more as you do with all 4s machines in that environment.

All of the new machines look so refined, there are so many fine choices. I really like the new adjustable bars on the Doo machines. Funny how they are all starting to look very similar with this rider forward styling.
 
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