2 Stroke oils

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srt20

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There is a thread on HCS in the Polaris IQ forum about 2-stroke oils. A retired chemist from an oil company is testing 2 stroke oils on his own. The guy seems to be legit, he isnt partial to any brand so far.

After some of the threads the last couple years about certain oils, this thread is a nice change of pace about ACTUAL testing.

Im not trying to start any bashing, just letting people know about this thread. I will be changing my oil brand after reading his tests.
 
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whitedust

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Just found a case of 4 gallons of Blue Marble in the garage if anybody wants to buy it. $100 for the case. If it sells great as will take me forever to use up in chain saw,weedwacker,packback blower & outboard.:)
 
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ezra

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looks like interceptor failed and sea and sno failed but the Mystic Jt4 passed so looks like if buying oil at fleet farm time to move up 1 shelf and spend the $25 on the JT4.
 
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snowbuff

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Wow! Interesting thread, thanks for posting it. I know what I'll be running after reading that. Looks like Indy is right after all!!!

Thanks again.
 
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fusion

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Wow - now THAT is a good thread, and good information. Amazing the guy would have time to do all that work. He must have loved his profession to do all that analysis. If I ever go back to 2-strokes, it will be completely different oil than what I've used in the past. No more interceptor.
 
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russholio

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Interesting, but.....bottom line is, how many folks truly have oil-related failures? Not counting running the machine out of oil, that is. Most engine guys will tell you that there are very, very few. Over the years in various machines (including a PWC) I've run Doo mineral, Doo semi-syn, Doo full-syn, Klotz, Spectro, Legend, Amsoil, and Sea and Snow (sorry, Indy and PR1). Not one oil-related failure in tens of thousands of miles -- in fact, only one failure at all and that was because a grenaded belt trashed my outer PTO seal, and at that time I was unaware such a thing could happen and didn't know enough to check it).

Call me picky, but personally I'm a bit skeptical of a guy who calls himself The Chemist (implying that he has a background in chemical engineering) yet can't use proper spelling, grammar, or punctuation.

If you use an oil that meets the specs called for by the OEM, then oil is oil. Nope, I'm not switching.
 
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tyeeman

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I tend to agree with russholio. I mildly challenged him on a couple things and it seems like he got a little stressed at me. I also asked him to post his test info, even PM me if he didn't want the world to know and he wouldn't do it.
I what is the test method? Is he doing bonifide ASTM tests or is he doing the one armed bandit test you see the Schaefer oil guy doing? He says he does a 4-ball wear test, ok, at what time, what pressure, what temperature. It is a legitemate industry wide test. DATA DOES NOT LIE.
Heck coud tell every body that I tested extra virgin olive oil and it beats the pants of Polaris VES Gold, and it keeps my exhaust valves clean. SHOW ME THE DATA!!!

Oh well, I'm new to HCS and didn't want to pi$$ everybody off. Didn't think it would go very far considering the oil I am interested in, and will keep using, , , , well lets just say the cards were stacked against me.
 
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Hoosier

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Maybe this is a dumb question, but why can't someone do a test like this and legitimately publish the results outside of a web forum? I assume the reason is that it would cost quite a bit of $ to do the tests in a way that can be peer-reviewed and not result in getting sued. Plus there probably isn't much upside to doing so. I'm also assuming the magazines can't commission the tests as they need to be cognizant of advertising revenue.

That HCS thread was interesting to read, and I am glad it was referenced here, but how can you trust the results of someone just because he calls himself the Chemist? I use Interceptor, and I have no real basis to do so other than what I read from the internet and in magazines and what I hear from other people I ride with who I trust and are more knowledgeable than I am. Plus you can normally find it at gas stops if needed. I've never heard of anyone actually having an oil-related break-down, but on the other hand most winters I ride between 1000 and 2000 miles and it doesn't seem to make a whole lot of sense to try to save a couple dollars by buying cheap oil unless I know for sure it is good.

Not trying to start a pissing contest (again), just rambling really.
 
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mjkaliszak

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Like russholio said : hard to prove any oil failure in my camp. I will say that the thread was lenghty and was surprised at how good POO VES gold did. I stopped using it years ago because I could not see the color when mixed w/gas. I burned down a wacker due to my stupidity. The $40 a gal hurts too... one year we went thru 22 gallons. Good to see i CAN MIX THE SEA & SNOW WITH REDLINE or Legend.... I bet the Legend is flying off the shelves at the snowmobile guy's store. Those were some severe specifications " The Chemist " was using. I too did find it odd that the grammar & punctuation was not 100%. I hope for everyones sake that he is legit... what a honorable thing to do. I must say I hope he is....
Hats off to the Chemist !
 
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mjkaliszak

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srt20 said:
There is a thread on HCS in the Polaris IQ forum about 2-stroke oils. A retired chemist from an oil company is testing 2 stroke oils on his own. The guy seems to be legit, he isnt partial to any brand so far.

After some of the threads the last couple years about certain oils, this thread is a nice change of pace about ACTUAL testing.

Im not trying to start any bashing, just letting people know about this thread. I will be changing my oil brand after reading his tests.[/QUOTE


Thanks for the "heads up " !
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russholio

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xcr440 said:
Not to mention, 99.99% of riders will never stress test an oil to it limits in a sled.
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mjkaliszak said:
Those were some severe specifications " The Chemist " was using.
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Seemed to me as well....but not being a scientist, I don't really know what's a fair test and what isn't. Nonetheless, I hope for the sake of his readers, at least, those that are putting stock in his work, that he's legit.
 
srt20

srt20

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Well if nobody has ever had a oil related failure I guess its no big deal that anybody switches brands of oil then....

I was using Poo blue just because I was sick of paying $35 a gallon for Gold. Now I will use Mystik JT-4 for 21.99 a gallon. And since nobody has ever blown up using sea and snow( which is a oil that failed his test), I should really be ok with this oil since it did pass the test.

Save $$$ and according to him, get a better, full synthetic oil.
 
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mjkaliszak

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I burned down my xrs end of last year, w/S&S... I don't know what caused this but will be tearing into it shortly. I leaned it to BRP spec the 16.5mm. My budd had it set outrageously... Like 2.5 qts per 100 miles. Maybe 3 qts. It was crazy but now it's down. Most of the time my calamities are my fault or lack no prudence on my part. After a few catastrophies I shut down , pull belt and drag them back to base camp.
 
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xcsp

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As some have mentioned, engine failures may not be oil-related, or could they be if the oil doesn't "cling" to the metal surfaces within the engine if it sets for some time between use and not fogged?

Could be more engine failures due to improper off-season storage practices or fuel-related issues?

In regards to oil quality, how good of an oil is needed in a 2-stroke engine as it is injected, mixed with fuel and burned/consumed? It isn't like a 4-stroke where the same oil is recirculated over and over for X amount of miles or hours.

Any thoughts on the above paragraph?
 
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polarisrider1

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New Poo gets VES Gold Plus until 3 plus gallons are gone, then Amsoil Inteceptor. Dealer said they will back if issues with motor arises. Just got an order for 17 gallons of Interceptor. Must be crap. Lol. Love the smell. Run Amsoil In everything I own with a motor, but the dodge may not be worthy.
 
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Skylar

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polarisrider1 said:
New Poo gets VES Gold Plus until 3 plusguys gallons areea gone, then Amsoil Inteceptor. Dealer said they will back if issues with motor arrises. Just got an order for 17 gallons of Interceptor. Must be crap. Lol. Love the smell. Run Amsoil In everything I own with a motor, but the dodge may not be worthy.
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Of course it is crap, The Chemist said so, sorta. LOL.
 
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