2 Stroke oils

whitedust

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When my doo 800 froze the crank & torn down every part was coated with Blue Marble so was NOT an oil related failure & I was infact very impressed with Blue Marble Oil. The doo factory sealed bearing failed & rings were flaking all bad engine tech from doo nothing to do with oil type.
 

90s

New member
I used Legend in my 2010 Rush 4000 miles, last season in my 2011 Rush 3,000 miles. Previous to this I was using/tried major brand(s). I noticed less smell and the valves stayed cleaner longer with the Legend oil. Legend will be going in my 2012 Adventure after break-in. The only problem is finding it locally. I loaded up on the oil at the Milw sno show. It would be nice if an unbiased/independant lab would conduct industry standard tests on two stroke oils that we use.
 

snoluver1

Active member
I used Legend in my 2010 Rush 4000 miles, last season in my 2011 Rush 3,000 miles. Previous to this I was using/tried major brand(s). I noticed less smell and the valves stayed cleaner longer with the Legend oil. Legend will be going in my 2012 Adventure after break-in. The only problem is finding it locally. I loaded up on the oil at the Milw sno show. It would be nice if an unbiased/independant lab would conduct industry standard tests on two stroke oils that we use.


Why "after break in". Better to break in on non synthetic anyway. Might as well use the legend from day one. Suck the synthetic coolaid out before you even pull the rope!
 

whitedust

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that is why they 'doo'have to have a short block program and why it is so popular

Yep pretty much screwed without that program. Costly too but what can you do? I was back on snow in 7 days with new engine & very pissed & married to that sled longer than I liked. Eventually bought Yam 4s & never going back to any 2s engine.
 

ezra

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it is not the 2 but the doo many 2s run over 10k with no issues and but then the chasi is close to shot.
 

motor_slut

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Interesting, but.....bottom line is, how many folks truly have oil-related failures? Not counting running the machine out of oil, that is. Most engine guys will tell you that there are very, very few. Over the years in various machines (including a PWC) I've run Doo mineral, Doo semi-syn, Doo full-syn, Klotz, Spectro, Legend, Amsoil, and Sea and Snow (sorry, Indy and PR1). Not one oil-related failure in tens of thousands of miles -- in fact, only one failure at all and that was because a grenaded belt trashed my outer PTO seal, and at that time I was unaware such a thing could happen and didn't know enough to check it).

Call me picky, but personally I'm a bit skeptical of a guy who calls himself The Chemist (implying that he has a background in chemical engineering) yet can't use proper spelling, grammar, or punctuation.

If you use an oil that meets the specs called for by the OEM, then oil is oil. Nope, I'm not switching.

Are you really that ignorant? The best scientists are the worst spellers and writers. That is why they are scientists. I wouldn't, and don't, trust writers who write about things in perfect grammar just because they are writers. There are so many bloggers, writers, and journalists who feed us garbage in perfect english and too many people take it as being truth because it is so well written. I have seen about a hundred or so oil failures in my life as a mechanic. There are good and bad oils and many people religiously use bad oil.
 

russholio

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You're entitled to your opinion. I'm sticking with mine. I still feel that somebody who was allegedly educated as a professional ought to be able to communicate like one. If people take something as truth because it is well-written, well, I don't know what to say. Maybe they should have done more research into the issue. But the writer did his/her job in presenting the information in a professional manner.

And please, when you attack this, I would appreciate you omitting the name-calling. Thanks.
 

ezra

Well-known member
so when they hall you in the emergency room with a massive head trauma be sure to ask your surgeon for a writing sample.
scientists/doctors/and me are notoriously bad spellers and lazy punctuates jokes have been made about doctors for yrs.
most laboratory scientists have recherche assistants to do all the tedious work like writing the findings writing the papers etc.real ez to blow off proper punctuation after you graduate.
and after 40yrs of having a assistant's doing your dirty work forget about it.
 

polarisrider1

New member
so when they hall you in the emergency room with a massive head trauma be sure to ask your surgeon for a writing sample.
scientists/doctors/and me are notoriously bad spellers and lazy punctuates jokes have been made about doctors for yrs.
most laboratory scientists have recherche assistants to do all the tedious work like writing the findings writing the papers etc.real ez to blow off proper punctuation after you graduate.
and after 40yrs of having a assistant's doing your dirty work forget about it.
Well thar esplanes me pore penminship and spellin. it muzt bee ta hot chix int da offis whooz typs four me.
 

Hoosier

Well-known member
How much would a reputable, independent test cost? We could put together a fund here on Johndee.com and get it done. Then there could be no more 2 stroke oil threads going forward.
 

indy_500

Well-known member
How much would a reputable, independent test cost? We could put together a fund here on Johndee.com and get it done. Then there could be no more 2 stroke oil threads going forward.
Sea and snow is junk. Klotz is good. Testing accomplished.
 

russholio

Well-known member
Sea and snow is junk. Klotz is good. Testing accomplished.

This "test" is about as good as the testing allegedly performed by "The Chemist".

I don't believe you, Indy, because your spelling, grammar, and punctuation are spot-on (well, except for not capitalizing the "S" in "Snow" -- but I'll overlook that as a simple typo). :)
 

polarisrider1

New member
Sea and snow is junk. Klotz is good. Testing accomplished.
Indy we already know the S&S part. I thought you was an Amsoil man?? I switched to Polaris VES Gold Plus this year. (got 3 1/2gallons for $40). Fireside sale, should hold me for part of the winter. Did you get a deal on Klotz?
 
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