2015 Snowmobile Lines Ups?

whitedust

Well-known member
Sitting hear waiting for current -20F high to warm-up a bit for riding & started to let my mind wander about 2015 Snowmobile Lines Ups. I think the industry as whole has excellent line ups right now but technology always moves on.

My best guess as follows:
Yamaha will cook up a 4s turbo Mountain Sled with AC that will serve both OEMs. Yamaha also needs to counter the Doo ACE 600 & 900 with their own answer to the fuel efficient 100hp 4s trail sled market. The Nytro could disappear in favor of the Viper but the rest of the line up will be BNGs.

Polaris needs to come out with a new design 800 2s engine leave the past 800 behind start fresh turn a new leaf. This would be a big deal for Polaris to get the 800 right make a good sled even better especially with the mountain sleds where you need max 800 ponies. Polaris way behind on 4s side & probably doesn't care nothing new here. Indy sells well & so does Rush pro-ride so BNG on the rest of the lineup.

Ski Doo will refine 900 Ace better shocks maybe an X this sled was very well received & will continue to sell well. Is this the year doo puts a turbo on the 4s 1200? Does Doo release next generation etec 800 just to keep the competition at bay? Doo leading the market & usually doesn't release a new platform until others catch up so unless a new 2015 platform lots of BNGs here too.

Arctic Cat bit off a lot last year new 600 2s engine & incorporated Yamaha Nytro engine in their lineup as well as manufacturing the Viper line up for Yamaha. This had to drain their engineering design & manufacturing resources but on the other hand Yamaha & Arctic Cat engineers had to have some exciting discussions on what could be during brainstorming sessions. Again I think we could see a shared Mountain platform with a Yamaha turbo engine. Does AC clean up their 800 2s maybe but 1 of the stronger 2s 800s so is this a priority....maybe? With all AC took on last year I think AC should refine the current product line & continue to support Yamaha & minimize risk for their company & don't run so thin they implode. They really took on a lot responsibility last year IMO take a breath for a year plenty to digest already.

Well that's it from my day dreaming what do you think 2015 will bring to snowmobiles?
 

gary_in_neenah

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Probably higher prices, that's a given. New colors and graphics, again that's a given. 2014 was a year of some rather big changes with the 900 ACE and the YamaCats. 2015 might be a year that they let the dust settle a bit.
 

snobuilder

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high priced bells and whistles makes sleddin a rich mans sport.
I'd like to see cat follow Poo's lead with the Indy and drop the price of the el tigre to that level.
Fun can be had for less cash which invites more newbies into the sport. Newbies that want a new sled for the sense of security of warranty for less than 9 G's.
 

whitedust

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high priced bells and whistles makes sleddin a rich mans sport.
I'd like to see cat follow Poo's lead with the Indy and drop the price of the el tigre to that level.
Fun can be had for less cash which invites more newbies into the sport. Newbies that want a new sled for the sense of security of warranty for less than 9 G's.

That was called the Poo Shift did so so in market didn't have to have graphics if you didn't want to pay for them.
 

snobuilder

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That was called the Poo Shift did so so in market didn't have to have graphics if you didn't want to pay for them.

You are right, it began with the shift and continues with the Indy 550, 600, and 800....a guy don't need much more than a dial on the gas cap....LOL...oh,... yea,... and FI,...but thats it!
 

ezra

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in the new sled heads or snowest cant remember yammaha said they plan on 5 new sleds in 5 yrs with cat.
I would bet poo comes out with a new chasi limited build
and as far as the ace 600 dont think any one cares about competing with that thing I would bet doo dumps it in less than 2 yrs prob 1 and sticks with the 900 and 1200.the 900 is more desirable and will be cheaper to build with all the extra units going in to water craft
 

whitedust

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in the new sled heads or snowest cant remember yammaha said they plan on 5 new sleds in 5 yrs with cat.
I would bet poo comes out with a new chasi limited build
and as far as the ace 600 dont think any one cares about competing with that thing I would bet doo dumps it in less than 2 yrs prob 1 and sticks with the 900 and 1200.the 900 is more desirable and will be cheaper to build with all the extra units going in to water craft

I agree Poo pro-ride getting long in tooth but not Poo's style to change a good selling platform look at the wedge for history.
 

ezra

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I agree Poo pro-ride getting long in tooth but not Poo's style to change a good selling platform look at the wedge for history.
1 guy I know who gets invited for the yearly for the $$payed R&D say they have been shown picks of sleds and asked what they like diss like etc etc and for 3 yrs the picks have significantly narrowed to 2 this yr with very exacting questions.5 yrs on a chasi is the time line then limited late season release.
cant judge on the wedge no one was moving design fast then.
time will tell .
 
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Deleted member 10829

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Isn't Ski Doo on year 6 of their latest chassis? Or is it 7?
 
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Deleted member 10829

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Someone will set us straight. I'm curious now.
 

ezra

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but i thought the xp was done except on the sport grand touring
just went to doo site they are on rev- xr and rev xs chasi now
a diff fr end a bit all I can tell. or it just hit a card board box at 8mph and it pushed it in hard to tell
 

gary_in_neenah

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The XR is used on the 1200 4 Stroke. The A Arms and Assembly are more robust for the added weight from the engine.

As for predictions, the current issue of Supertrax magazine writes that Doo will be upgrading the 1200 4 tec to HO and the E tec will become an E tec II as they're already using that technology in the Evinrude outboards.
 

Pit Grunt

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No turbo on the 1200 DOO. the motor on the number 3 cylinder can't handle it. That is why you have not seen it in their line up. A new frame work with a 1300 ACE motor..You may see a add on turbo for the ACE line up.. 1200 goes bye bye along with the 600 carb motor...
 

Attak man

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I see yami with a new small bore 4 stroke...possibly a 900 to go head to head with doos 900...I see cat and yami both using this engine...and a turbo 1050 for both....I also think cat will dump it's 570 fan motors, and the 500 sno pro motor..in favor of the phazer 500 motor (WITH ENGINE BRAKING)...I also think you will see the 1050 triple in a new touring sled for cat...maybe more viper/cat looking ...with of course a turbo touring.

Talked to many polaris fans who want a four stroke...like the ace 900 in a rush chassis..or new indy chassis...don't think it will happen.

I see ski-doo coming with a new big bore 4 stroke... and possible turbo (new mach Z)
 

momoney2123

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XP came out in 08 but the current chassis with the R-motion is the XS which started in 13 and is drastically different than the 08-12's.

My dad bought a new 2014 mxzx, i have a 2011 mxzx. It is unbeleivable how smooth the R-motion is over bumpes in comparison to my 11. Its unreal to describe until you ride one.

Some people are saying 1330 ACE motor coming out next year from doo to replace the 1200.

Talked to some other people that have real connections with and said doo is releasing something next year that is going to be just as revolutionary as the 2003 rev chassis. No idea what it is or if its true.
 

whitedust

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XP came out in 08 but the current chassis with the R-motion is the XS which started in 13 and is drastically different than the 08-12's.

My dad bought a new 2014 mxzx, i have a 2011 mxzx. It is unbeleivable how smooth the R-motion is over bumpes in comparison to my 11. Its unreal to describe until you ride one.

Some people are saying 1330 ACE motor coming out next year from doo to replace the 1200.

Talked to some other people that have real connections with and said doo is releasing something next year that is going to be just as revolutionary as the 2003 rev chassis. No idea what it is or if its true.

Isn't the XS an evolved XP for progressive suspension thus the law suit by Poo the rest just a face job of the XP?

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No turbo on the 1200 DOO. the motor on the number 3 cylinder can't handle it. That is why you have not seen it in their line up. A new frame work with a 1300 ACE motor..You may see a add on turbo for the ACE line up.. 1200 goes bye bye along with the 600 carb motor...

1200 can't handle turbo or supercharger? Ok didn't know that .....1300Ace would replace 1200 & with or without tubo that makes a lot of sense.
 

momoney2123

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Isn't the XS an evolved XP for progressive suspension thus the law suit by Poo the rest just a face job of the XP?

After riding them back to back there is some serious differences between the 2. The rear suspension being the main thing. Not sure exactly what the other spec differences are. My 2011 the side panels come off, 14's the whole top pod comes off making it easy to access everything. 14's are lighter and seem a little more rider foward than mine. But i guess you could call it an evolved XP. Not sure about the lawsuit.

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No turbo on the 1200 DOO. the motor on the number 3 cylinder can't handle it. That is why you have not seen it in their line up. A new frame work with a 1300 ACE motor..You may see a add on turbo for the ACE line up.. 1200 goes bye bye along with the 600 carb motor...

Guy in our group has a 350+ hp turbo in his 1200(trail sled) with at least couple thousnad miles and they claimed it will handle it no problem, which is why he did it. Not sure who gave u the info. Plus a factory turbo would be a lot more docile than the one on his, prolly around the 200hp range. My guess is doo is going to comeout with some kind of lightweight 4-stroke. Just a guess.
 

whitedust

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After riding them back to back there is some serious differences between the 2. The rear suspension being the main thing. Not sure exactly what the other spec differences are. My 2011 the side panels come off, 14's the whole top pod comes off making it easy to access everything. 14's are lighter and seem a little more rider foward than mine. But i guess you could call it an evolved XP. Not sure about the lawsuit.

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Guy in our group has a 350+ hp turbo in his 1200(trail sled) with at least couple thousnad miles and they claimed it will handle it no problem, which is why he did it. Not sure who gave u the info. Plus a factory turbo would be a lot more docile than the one on his, prolly around the 200hp range. My guess is doo is going to comeout with some kind of lightweight 4-stroke. Just a guess.

Now that is VERY COOL! I like that .....14's the whole top pod comes off making it easy to access everything. Pit grunt says 1200 no good to turbo but yes guys have been doing it for along time so figured Doo would too.
 
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