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If that were the case they wouldn't be able to sell those LED light bars and hand protector LED lights that are so obnoxious. LOL
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If that were the case they wouldn't be able to sell those LED light bars and hand protector LED lights that are so obnoxious. LOL
Well, at least we know you know more about football then snowmobiling.
...as a reminder....we learned this fall that you didn't know anything about football. lol
Ezra nailed it!
I was told those are only sold in the US... again dont know..but thought I read something about LEDs and Canada...I dont think they can be imported either
snobuilder
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So 5 years after yamaha goes outta bizniz it still dominates with a turboed 2008 heavy 4 stroke motor....LOL....and the doo race sleds have a halfassed power assist steering....oh yea and doo still can't add an LED headlight.......does canadia have some sort of severe taxation on rec vehicles with an LED light?....LOLgrub spouted;
Sidewinders share absolutely nothing with Apexes of 2008. The motor is completely different. The Deltabox 2 is gone in favor of the ProCross. It is 50 lbs lighter. It goes faster and it will last longer than any **** box Polaris manufactured since 2017. Live with it.
The bold is true but YOU are wrong because I didn't mention the Apex at all....LOL....its the 998 nytro mill in the SW....so actually we could go back even further in Yamaha snowmobile history to 2005 and the 973cc purpose built 3 holer first put in the '05 Vector.
So 16 years later the Yamaha engines dominate the 2021's with factory pump gas kikass 200+HP !!!!….
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Ya I am thinking that is the case. Bud told me it was 500 bucks to install light bar and hand guards. Look stupid as well. Halogen in da middle with led's all around.... Dumb
Originally Posted by snobuilder
grub spouted;
Sidewinders share absolutely nothing with Apexes of 2008. The motor is completely different. The Deltabox 2 is gone in favor of the ProCross. It is 50 lbs lighter. It goes faster and it will last longer than any **** box Polaris manufactured since 2017. Live with it.
The bold is true but YOU are wrong because I didn't mention the Apex at all....LOL....I'st the 998 nytro mill in the SW....so actually we could go back even further in Yamaha snowmobile history to 2005 and the 973cc purpose built 3 holer first put in the '05 Vector.
So 16 years later the Yamaha engines dominate the 2021's with factory pump gas kikass 200+HP !!!!….
I thought the Nitro was a 1049cc engine? Is not the SW engine, the 998cc, was based off a Yam UTV engine? Puzzling?
snobuilder
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exactly...the nytro was 1049 but the same basic motor goes back to the vector 973.
nit pik if you want but at the end of the day the Yamaha is still on top....LOL
I will need to look into the LED and Canada thing. I purposely put LED's on my truck because of running at night in moose country IN CANADA. The OEM lights just never cover enough of the ditches. And hitting a moose sucks.
Ski Doo knows what they are doing, regardless of what people on here say or think, or in general. I have Ski Doo and Polaris sleds, and though I am not too excited about the new colors, some features or lack of, extra costs for the new dash, there will be people buying 2021 sleds, perhaps me included. People can also bitch about lack of LED lights, things like that, but most of those same people will spend money on extra accessories, many unneeded, put cans on, other unneeded accessories, so people can and will spend money how they want. Who cares.
In looking at the Ski Doo lineup, one trend that no one can deny are that 4 stroke sleds are not as "desired" or "necessary" as people seem to think. In the latest Supertrax it was reported that Ski Doo over the past few years, in each of those years, has sold more 4 strokes then Cat or Yamaha combined. Would this not imply that Ski Doo may know more than the others, and that their current 4 stroke offerings are enough to satisfy the masses? Yes, reduction in production by others was a factor, but that was by choice and necessity, as Yamaha and Cat know they had unsold, unwanted inventory, ultimately affecting their bottom line and future goals. Understand that bigger does not mean better, but in this industry, sure seems like the biggest 2 know what they are doing, and seem to offer the most innovation and variety, with innovation being interpreted in a number of different ways.
Ok with what Ski Doo has done, and excited to see what Polaris has to offer and perhaps Yamaha from a 2 stroke standpoint. For me, 2 strokes have evolved and improved immensely over the years, so that is where my interest level remains. Plus, I am a hi mileage rider at 56 years old, and realize that i am not old enough yet to move to a 4 stroke.
In looking at the Ski Doo lineup, one trend that no one can deny are that 4 stroke sleds are not as "desired" or "necessary" as people seem to think. In the latest Supertrax it was reported that Ski Doo over the past few years, in each of those years, has sold more 4 strokes then Cat or Yamaha combined. Would this not imply that Ski Doo may know more than the others, and that their current 4 stroke offerings are enough to satisfy the masses? Yes, reduction in production by others was a factor, but that was by choice and necessity, as Yamaha and Cat know they had unsold, unwanted inventory, ultimately affecting their bottom line and future goals. Understand that bigger does not mean better, but in this industry, sure seems like the biggest 2 know what they are doing, and seem to offer the most innovation and variety, with innovation being interpreted in a number of different ways.
Ok with what Ski Doo has done, and excited to see what Polaris has to offer and perhaps Yamaha from a 2 stroke standpoint. For me, 2 strokes have evolved and improved immensely over the years, so that is where my interest level remains. Plus, I am a hi mileage rider at 56 years old, and realize that i am not old enough yet to move to a 4 stroke.
I'm no Yamaha guy, and not picking. I just remember reading about the SxS engine as being part of it? However, I was fortunate to be able to ride some of the first of the 3 cylinder Yam Vector mountain sleds being developed thru a friend of mine. Had a bunch of fun those 2 days. The Development Engineers lost out to the, Design Engineers, on the engine Vector design it seemed. As they, wanted the engine to be developed with exhaust, and intake reversed, exhaust forward, intake to rear, so as to be better balanced, and handling, as CG's being more centered in the sled. I do think that it was a 973cc engine, but not for sure, too many years back. The exhaust did have a nice sound to it, up close. But very quite once away from it.
snobuilder
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That must have been fun and interesting to be a part of. Are you saying that the sleds you rode had a conventional set up with the intake back and exhaust forward?
That be a no. The ones we rode, were the pre production sleds. Exhaust rear, intake forward. The engineers that were there, were setting clutching, doing tuning, and trying different things with the suspensions. They explained their "reversed engine wishes" that turned out not to be. They said in the "mountain sled" segment it would have been the most advantage for being reversed. It was some real fun as they, the Yami guys, just wanted you to ride as yourself, if it were your real sled. When stuck, they would be right there to help. It being a heavier sled, was somewhat scary when climbing and reaching your max, and have to turn back down. They were a load as compared to our own rides. No, I didn't break anything, to scared of getting hurt!
Abe,
I think it's the Yamaha ski technology that goes back 16 years.
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I'm with you guys, buy a new sled each year and they never wear out.
Bear
Ah, yeah, well, they forgot how to make snowmobiles a long time back now also, eh? Or perhaps this, they then decided they no longer wanted to, or they did not know how to produce viable snowmobiles! Yes, Yamaha, sucked me into believe their talk about the "all new, all Yamaha snowmobile" that they would produce for a few years. And, then having come to find out they never intended to do so? But never again will they get me to believe any of their BS! Won't happen!
From what I have checked, pretty much the case. Where there is snow, Ace engine Doo's are pretty much sold out if priced decent. Used ones sell very quickly.
btw...used 1200's (in any chassis)are in HOT demand...whenever we've gotten them in, they have sold almost immediately (haven't had one last more than 3 days this year)... year, miles, chassis...doesn't matter...they are worth more and holding their value better than the 800's and 850's...and the used 900s are hot on their heals, are also hard to get as well
snobuilder
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Speaking of failed ski designs....did doo dump that adjustable disaster for 2021?