$45 is too much

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pitz0022

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I'm from MN and was trying to plan a trip to WI or the UP. Bottom line is that we will go where the snow is, but if we were going to stay in Hurley for example, we discussed the fact that you are kind of locked in to the staying in the state you are going to ride. So If we planned to ride WI we couldn't book a room in Ironwood because we'd have to buy a MI sticker just to get out of town, plus we'd have to buy a WI sticker to ride WI. So maybe it impacted Ironwood Hotels and bars since we had to stay in WI. We have never been to WI or MI so we will probably just end up going further into the UP and it won't be an issue, but a little reciprocity on the border towns could be nice for a newbie planning a trip, espeically if you had one trail sticker and could prove you were staying in a border town in the other state and were clearly in transit from the hotel to the trails you intend to ride. Maybe it already exists?
 
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Banks93

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I think they run the groomers more in Northern WI than they do in the Western UP. I know this last weekend they did. I think the UP is great but for all the sleds that were up there this weekend they should of had the groomers on 24/7. Once a day doesn't do it when there are 2000+ sleds. If they want our money then groom. Just saying.
 
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lenny

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Most people here just don't seem to realize that there are actually others who have to live on minimum wage and watch every dollar they spend, but still want to snowmobile.



exactly and well said!
 
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Banks93

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They could even do a volunteer groomer sign-up. There are plenty of groomer drivers in WI that are not busy.:)
 
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90s

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I have never hesitated on paying for the MI non Res sticker. But what bothers me somewhat is trails that aren't groomed. This past Saturday(7 Jan) I was on a trail in the Lk G area that hadn't been touched by a groomer in several days. There was enough snow for grooming. Where I'm from, the clubs groom the trails Thurs/Fri to have them ready for weekend traffic, and also early in the week if the trails need grooming. I know the reply wil be--then ride where the clubs groom for weekend traffic. When you buy a six pack you expect 6 cans, not 4. It could have been that the groomer was broke down, someone was sick, I didn't ask because it would not have made any difference.
 
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upbarleyboy

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The Western end of the UP was rough this past weekend. A ton of traffic coupled with the fact the Gogebic Range Trail Authority had one groomer break down (bad enough that it had to be shipped someplace for repairs) didn't help matters. Usually the UP is great. This weekend was a bad representation of that area.
 
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lenny

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here the deal: not everyone buys big dollar sleds and gear. I have put 500 miles on a 91 lumber wagon riding Yamaha riding with a carhartt jacket and work boots. I'm the hillbilly looking guy on the 21 yr old sled. My gloves are 3 years worn and stink like a dead cats butt. I have 4 kids, 3 properties, 3 old sleds, work truck, plow truck and the wife's van. Between my 3 vehicles I have 535k for miles. I'm not looking for any sympathy and have not complained about trail sticker but IT IS A STRUGLE TO PURCHASE ANYTHING THAT S NOT A NECESITY THESE DAYS. Everybody has a story and falls somewhere in the financial spectrum. So for many of you guys sitting behind your PC and somehow justifying to the less fortunate guy who loves to ride as much as you do but struggles to make it happen because his dollars are not as many this season,,,,just be careful,,,you may have your day before long and God forbid you open your mouth and mention you think it's to much to pay. You think everybody hops in the duramax in an enclosed with 4 new sleds, modular helmets, klim gear all matching, making 4-5 trips to the UP and burning 3 tanks of premium a day ? Seems to me that when many of you guys comment, you use the perspective of your own personal situation to instruct the guy who is not like yourself. It seems a bit heavy, rude and insulting.

The thread started out with a guy who thought it was too much and right away he's told to stay home. He than states an idea to have a temp pass like most every other activity offers and you still hound him. He even states " I think $45 for a season is a steal! I'm just saying not for a day or two. Didn't mean to piss any body off!" and you still try an justify he is wrong with every aspect that goes along with sledding. Who's the bonehead that said "We don't want you in the UP if $45 is too much for you. Go out west, it's a lot cheaper." Do you really think that is a reasonable response to speak for residents of the UP. Do you live here and speak for UP residents?


The entire UP got, I forget now, either 7 or 9 new groomers at roughly 225K per unit. I groom and burn roughly 30 gallons of fuel a trip and that costs 120 bucks. That trail gets groomed 7 nights a week. The club spends roughly 5 grand a week on fuel. Trail are open 16 weeks a year,,,,potentially. Correct me if I am wrong but out of the 45 bucks, 43 goes directly back to trail maintenance and everything associated with it. I think the establishment that sells the permit gets 1 buck and the dnr 1,,,, I think.

With all this said, I gladly pay the 45 BUT it is hard on the wallet these days and I do not complain. The thread starter did not seem to be complaining, just stating it may not work for him this season and suggested a temp reduced pass to accommodate more people and you still fricken trash him. Come on people, have a little respect, it goes a long way. Your lucky I'm not a mod because you'd see a lot of post disappearing like a few I quoted.
 
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whitedust

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gscheck said:
$45 to cross the border? Eagle river,Lando,Germain will get my business this year.There is usually 5 to 10 other guys I bring up. That starts to add up.
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Trails in those areas are Poor at best no snow so you & your buds will end up buying UPMI trail permit to ride on snow. I understand your point but in the end we go where the snow is & Eagle River,Lando,Germain don't have snow. Do your trail conditions homework then pay $45 bucks to ride on snow in UP. No real choice so far so be careful advising your buds. You don't want to be the goat for horrible trip over $45 bucks.lol:)
 
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dab102999

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With ya on that lenny...i think his post was taken wrong right from the get go...times r hard for all...some more then others...and i know a lot of whirlpool guys who have made low to mid 6 figures that r competeing with everyone else now..so no one these days is above or below anyone else...some are just luckier then others..the days of having a job u can retire and take a pention from ended when my father retired..
 
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Polarice

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lenny said:
Who's the bonehead that said "We don't want you in the UP if $45 is too much for you. Go out west, it's a lot cheaper." Do you really think that is a reasonable response to speak for residents of the UP. Do you live here and speak for UP residents?
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That was me if you have to ask! I do live in the UP part time when I can and I pay the taxes. So, I do feel that I'm a UP resident. I'm tired of people complaining about the trail permit cost because I pay it and I'm happy to do so.

Then you're going to have the guys that complain about the grooming; that it's not good enough.

BTW Lenny; "Come on, have a little respect" Bonehead! Can you be more of a hypocrite???
 
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