$45 is too much

alwaysright

New member
Lenny, well said

Polarice, you obviously don't get it, not worth my time responding to your horse poop attitude.

I like others was thinking of not spending the $45 this year for 2 sleds. but with the crazy lack of snow, not much of a choice. We may be eating sandwiches instead of going out and buying booze to bring back to the hotel rather than going to the bar. We'll make it work but other businesses will not be able to get my $$ this year. the extra $10 isn't the issue but for me hotel rooms seem to be going up as well as fuel so it all adds up.
 

john w

New member
$45 to cross the border? Eagle river,Lando,Germain will get my business this year.There is usually 5 to 10 other guys I bring up. That starts to add up.

This is funny chit !!!!! I think you know your answer, STAY IN WISCONSIN, they don't need whiners !!!
 
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Team Elkhorn

Guest
I agree with Lenny. This sport is expensive. Not just stickers, everything about it. If someone can find a way to save a little money, more power to them. Just because you can afford to spend more money than the next guy doesn't make you better, sorry. And telling someone else how to save/spend their money to afford it, come on, really???
 

jonesin

Well-known member
just wait and see how much they are after the PE's have to design and sign all the trails! :) I'm still laughing at that #$%# idea
 
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lenny

Guest
your right about the hypocrite part and I do apologize. I could have used a better choice of words,,,sorry


That was me if you have to ask! I do live in the UP part time when I can and I pay the taxes. So, I do feel that I'm a UP resident. I'm tired of people complaining about the trail permit cost because I pay it and I'm happy to do so.

Then you're going to have the guys that complain about the grooming; that it's not good enough.

BTW Lenny; "Come on, have a little respect" Bonehead! Can you be more of a hypocrite???
 

Polarice

New member
your right about the hypocrite part and I do apologize. I could have used a better choice of words,,,sorry

That's fine, I see your point and I agree. My response to the OP was just the emotional part of me being tired of these guys complaining when you yourself mentioned the cost of fuel to run groomers, etc. I could've have also used better words or just not said anything at all. It's all good :)
 
Something to think about.......................

Groomer & drag = $$$
Maintenance * of above $$$
Fuel $$$
Insurance $$$
Engineering services $$$
Grooming of trail network $$$ (*groomer operators)
Signing of trail network $$$ (*labor)
Brushing of trail network $$$ *
Signs for trail network $$$
Material to build bridges and culverts $$$
Labor to build/repair bridges and culverts $$$ *

The Superior Snowmobile Club is responsible for approximately 130 miles of trails, any thing marked with a * is done by Club members with no cost to snowmobile riders. ( this can be / may not be the case with other Clubs ) Join a Club, do some work and help to control the increase in cost of the trail passes.

Ride responsibly and THINK SNOW, as one of our Club members will say, LAKE EFFECT SNOW!
 

Polarice

New member
Lenny, well said

Polarice, you obviously don't get it, not worth my time responding to your horse poop attitude.

I like others was thinking of not spending the $45 this year for 2 sleds. but with the crazy lack of snow, not much of a choice. We may be eating sandwiches instead of going out and buying booze to bring back to the hotel rather than going to the bar. We'll make it work but other businesses will not be able to get my $$ this year. the extra $10 isn't the issue but for me hotel rooms seem to be going up as well as fuel so it all adds up.

I guess you're always right LMAO!
 

indy_500

Well-known member
I don't make minimum wage but with a family of 5 to support and living at just above break even, you have to watch every dollar. If this was 5-10 years ago I would have made at least two trips to the UP to ride. This year = 0

$90 to cross the border is OK, but some other business won't get my $$ because we have to trim back. Maybe it's a burger and not a steak. It's the free hotel breakfast vs. going out.
I understand where you are coming from. I spent $15 in food for 2 days last weekend. I've never gone out for breakfast when I've been up north. But, you have a choice. Ride your sled for $45, or don't ride your sled at all. I don't see northern WI having rideable trails for at least a week or beyond until we get more snow. We cancelled our Minocqua rental for my mom and hotel for next weekend, going to the UP instead. There just isn't snow in WI, I could see the point in not spending $45 if there was snow in northern WI but there isn't.
 
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thebreeze

Member
The questions is, where will it stop. It is still very much worth it to me, but I can understand the reluctance for the guys that may only use it on a trip or two.
 

Banks93

New member
I have no problem spending the money for the trail pass in the UP and enjoy it. My issue is that I want them to use the $43 for grooming the trails. I gave you my sticker money, my hotel money, my breakfast money, my gas money, my beer money, my lunch money, more beer money and then my dinner money and saw the same groomer twice all day. We went to Northern WI and I saw three different groomers doing more grooming in 30 miles then I did the 200 we rode in the UP. You know you have the only snow in 6 states get out and groom 24/7 because the trails were pounded.
 

timo

Well-known member
$45 is NOT TOO MUCH when it is the only place with snow. You can beat your sled up on 6" of snow in mogul city in Eagle River all you want. Be my guest. I spent my $45 and I'll be riding on trails that are groomed every day, and that actually have snow! I make $7.25 an hour. It takes me 6 hours of work to pay for that trail permit, and I have no problem paying it, I don't understand why anybody would be turned off from the UP because of a $45 trail permit. How much does your sled cost again?

maybe if you didn't live under mommy and daddys roof you would have a differnt opinion.
 

scott_b

Member
maybe if you didn't live under mommy and daddys roof you would have a differnt opinion.

Give Indy a break, he is still in high school, of course he lives at home. From everything I have seen him post he is a hard working kid that more than pays his fair share for fun.
 

whitedust

Well-known member
Pretty simple to me $45 for a trail permit for multiple trail sleds for 2 days use not going to happen. 1 sled $45 no big deal. People on budgets $90 for 2 sleds going to be avoided spent on food or another night in WI if possible. I get it.... not very difficult to understand. Hardcore riders don't care about cost get that too. No point putting the guy down just the way he chooses to spend his lean green.
 
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lenny

Guest
grooming 24/7 in my opinion is foolish. Here is an example: I groom 46 miles of trail on Thursday nights. Last Thursday I passed about 75 sleds. On my way back the trail was maybe 10% better than on my way out. Here's the problem, when a groomer cuts the trail we actually cut it down. The bigger the chop the deeper the cut. The cut snow passes through the drag and is a groomed trail but loose snow. The trail needs 1-2 hrs of cold temps to set up other wise there is no durability of the trail. A groomer going down the trail on a sat with heavy traffic will do little except make people think they got their monies worth. It will quickly resort back to chop with traffic. I honestly felt I wasted 30 gallons of diesel fuel and will never groom again before 8 pm. Sleds over a freshly groomed trail push he snow right out of the low areas and we are right back to where we were. What really makes for a nice trail is a late night groom, cold temps and little traffic. As a club member, we deal with all 3 issues and when any are compromised the trail suffers. All of us groomers work in some way and getting up the next morning at 6-7 after coming in at 3 can be hard to do. Temps and snow have been the big deal this year. As you can see we are struggling.




money, my hotel money, my breakfast money, my gas money, my beer money, my lunch money, more beer money and then my dinner money and saw the same groomer twice all day. We went to Northern WI and I saw three different groomers doing more grooming in 30 miles then I did the 200 we rode in the UP. You know you have the only snow in 6 states get out and groom 24/7 because the trails were pounded.[/QUOTE]
 

Banks93

New member
Yes, I here what you are saying but they still need to keep it from a 2' mogul course for the whole day. Going out once a day just doesn't do it when there are that many sleds tearing it up. I can say yes normally your right and that is how it should be done but when the traffic was like it was the groomers need to be running more.

Thanks for your time and grooming. It is greatly appreciated.
 
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