Yes, refers to credibility of a witness. In the case with these two officers, one is an investigator and the other is a Lieutenant. I'm not making an excuse for their actions/behavior, because it was wrong, but it is unlikely either is out making DUI/OWI arrests so therefor court credibility testimony in an OWI case is unlikely. To call for their job as you stated is like cutting off your kids finger when he flipped someone the bird. EXTREME. To add to that, I received 2 speeding tickets from a Wisconsin State Trooper over the 30 years of commuting from the Northwoods of Wisconsin to Chicago. I paid them because I was wrong. And yes, I was still able to testify against individuals that I wrote speeding tickets to.
Above the Law...LOL
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Not a chance.
ICT Sledder
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Speeding tickets aren't a criminal offense. Virtually everyone has a prior speeding ticket.
According to the source below, just over 2% (2.27%) of the country has a prior DUI. One in every 40 to 50 people. That's not a large percentage of the population. Considering Wisconsin rings in at #4 in the country for proportion of the population with a DUI at 4.33% (or roughly twice the national average), maybe that indicates that consequences for DUI in WI need to be increased.
https://insurify.com/insights/states-with-the-most-duis-2020/
Only the lawyers win!
SHOOT2KILL
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I also wonder if the arresting officer had a body cam, and it was left on during the interaction...Hopefully if so....Someone from the local media petitions thru the freedom of information law to get the footage...Maybe those 2 clowns became triggered and unhinged when they realized they were getting arrested...
ICT Sledder
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And I'll probably need to laugh myself to the point of a hernia by an LEO from the god-forsaken, corrupt state of IL arguing for kid hand treatment of a fellow LEO caught doing something that folks lose jobs, military rank, and security clearances for. Something that is literally the leading contributor to both motor vehicle and sledding deaths in the state of Wisconsin.
goofy600
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Exactly, you were comparing a CPA that steals from his clients, an attorney lying in court or a doctor cutting off the wrong leg to a Police officer off duty drinking and riding a snowmobile. In a court of law (not being a lawyer)these situations would probably have different charges, so compare apples to apples which your comparison was not.
ICT Sledder
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BAC reporting is incomplete for many of the deaths so for in 2023, but in prior years for Wisconsin we see...
2022 - 62% of sledding deaths were a legally drunk rider
2021 - again, 62%
2020 - 53%
2019 - 56%
2018 - 47%
...and I'm omitting results where they confirmed alcohol consumption, but don't have a BAC as no test was given, so these numbers are probably low.
2022 - 62% of sledding deaths were a legally drunk rider
2021 - again, 62%
2020 - 53%
2019 - 56%
2018 - 47%
...and I'm omitting results where they confirmed alcohol consumption, but don't have a BAC as no test was given, so these numbers are probably low.
Laugh away. As I said, what they did was wrong. I am very aware of what the leading contributors of snowmobile related deaths are. There was no crash, personal injury, or death relating to these two individuals. Your idea of their punishment does not fit the crime. As far as your idea of the "god-forsaken, corrupt state of IL" for which I served for more than 30 years, from wherever you may come, your ignorance of just and fair discipline in the law enforcement profession is what you should be laughing at. Until you have walked in the shoes of the men and women who are sworn to protect you and your skewed ideas of their discipline, you should probably keep your radical opinion to yourself.
ICT Sledder
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Law enforcement protects nothing more than the will of whatever government controls it. It does not look out for the rights of the individual. LEO responses to Covid fiat taught us that very clearly and distinctly. The entirety of human history likewise illustrates same. When any government turns corrupt or authoritarian in nature, law enforcement is the first line of the will of that government. How many examples do you want? The list is massive and associated with the worst of human history. Law enforcement as a part of society is a necessary evil that itself needs as much oversight as the criminal behavior it is tasked with controlling.
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hybrid
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just curious how you know they were not carrying a weapon ?
this would surprise me
Totally agree
ICT Sledder
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There are behaviors and actions in any of those professions that while not necessarily significant to society at large would still cause them to lose their licenses.
I have a license for what I do, and there are any number of ways I could lose it that aren't so much as a blip on the radar of society at large. Are those offenses a big deal to the average person? Nope, I'd have to explain them to the average person so they would even understand they are wrong in the first place. Are the offenses incongruous with remaining in the profession? Yep, you bet.
The same can be said for anyone who holds a license for a profession - of which a law enforcement commission basically is. A DUI conviction for someone who (for most/many of them) operates a vehicle all day, sometimes requiring speed and aggression, and who is in part tasked with enforcing and being able to testify to DUI arrests, the argument isn't that ridiculous.
They are accused but not convicted yet, innocent until proven guilty. The LT did not blow, he preserved his 5th amendment right against self incrimination which will make things more difficult to get a conviction on smell and glassy eyes. You can assume since his buddy blew a .14 but there is a reasonable doubt. But there are other repercussions for not blowing, no doubt some pissed off superiors and will never see the captains bars.
As far as him no longer being able to testify in a DUI case, well he is a Lieutenant after all and probably rides a desk every day and never goes on the street to be involved in an arrest. He has officers and sergeants on the streets for that, so probably the last DUI case he sees will be his own.
As far as him no longer being able to testify in a DUI case, well he is a Lieutenant after all and probably rides a desk every day and never goes on the street to be involved in an arrest. He has officers and sergeants on the streets for that, so probably the last DUI case he sees will be his own.
goofy600
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You are correct I do not know that but you would think that would’ve been brought up. Maybe but are no point in the article did it say the tried resisting or did anything to disrespect the Leo that was the arresting officer.
Sheriffs in Wisconsin did not enforce mask laws
https://www.tmj4.com/news/coronavir...t-enforce-gov-tony-evers-statewide-mask-order
Sheriffs in Illinois do not enforce assault weapon ban.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...inois-counties-not-enforce-assault-weapon-ban
I almost feel a little sorry for you and whatever world you live in. Worst of human history? I have seen the worst of what people can and will do to each other. I also have been a part of the good that people can and will do for each other. Law Enforcement as a necessary evil? Good luck with that one when something bad happens to you, your family, or your property.
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One class/type of LEO - out of what... a half-dozen different class/types of LEO's - in one state out of fifty, thought THAT is where they might draw the line. Awesome!
I'm aware there is more stories like that here or there. That's what you might call anecdotal evidence. What we have on the other side is large-scale, verifiable evidence (the we might call empirical) of law enforcement agencies during Covid happy to put their foot down on the individual at the behest of the state. Or arresting parents voicing their unhappiness with school board at woke garbage being force fed to their children. How about the (admittedly goober-tastic, moronic) Jan 6th protesters being held for perpetuity without charges. There are PLENTY more examples of law enforcement who will do whatever their overlords tell them to do. And we're not even talking about the FBI. Good god... where do we even start with that clown show of political abuse, surveillance and entrapment?
The above is all a part of this super-special class of humans - the LEO "brothers" and "sisters", right?