I agree with you Gary completely and it's a good thing they were caught, but.... would we feel the same if someone had gotten hurt or killed as a result of their or anyone's mistake? I'm sure everyone knows my stance on drinking while sledding and I'm sure many disagree with me, I don't see a need for it, I have no desire to do it, never have and yes " hopefully these guys have learned from theirs and are better citizens going forward " my question is it still a mistake if it had been found they were drunk as a result of an accident that involved injury or death? I have very strong feelings of operating anything while intoxicated and yes hopefully they have learned their lesson and aren't repeat offenders as we know so many are, and bad things end up happening someone besides their own expense.
Above the Law...LOL
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Seems like firefighters and LIO are always held to a higher standard. Why? It’s a job. Off duty is there time.
agree... as long as there is no special treatment as a result of their profession when not on the job.
pclark
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Perhaps we should also think that maybe these two LEO's have done more good in their lives than bad? I'm sure that they have helped many people and perhaps even saved peoples lives to date. I sure wouldn't want their jobs nowadays, again not condoning their behavior, but they are human, and we all make mistakes.
indy_500
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The same can be said for the tens of thousands of people who flock to the north woods every winter and do the same thing though. Do you walk into an establishment for dinner up there and cuss out every snowmobiler with a beer in their hand? Doubt it…
The point is, just because of their job title, these guys shouldn’t be treated different. Hope to he11 they learn from this mistake, and move forward.
indy_500, why in the world would I walk into a bar and cuss out every snowmobiler with a beer in their hand?? did I say that? no. I will tell you however that I have been in plenty of bars along the trail where there are obnoxiously drunk and yes... "SNOWMOBILERS" do I yell at them? really? I do however think to myself "what a stupid f'r" and think about all of us on the trail that will eventually be sharing the trail with them. you're right indy I don't cuss them out, and I think the same if I am at a bar when not snowmobiling, I'm just glad I'm smart enough to not get stupidly drunk and behind the wheel or the handle bars of a snowmobile. Just this year and I wont share names or locations but went for dinner with a friend in the northwoods and there was a table of riders there and one of them was so stupidly and obnoxiously drunk that if I had been a patron sitting next to him I would have asked him or his group to ask him to shut the f up, or if I had been the server...asked him to leave and we were sitting clear across the dining room. Now did he have someone come pick him up? did his buddies say "hey maybe you shouldn't be driving your sled?" from the looks when they got up, put their gear on and headed out the door....i doubt it and again I thought "stupid f'r"and thought of the people who were going to be sharing the trail with them. I have a family member who too says " I made a mistake".... TWICE!! and im sure he was pulled over twice as a result of his stellar driving habits. All I am saying is if this is their first run in with OWI or DWI fine... it was a mistake but.... very POOR decision making was done by both of them regardless. and just because they are law enforcement doesn't mean they should be treated ANY DIFFERENT than joe blow who thinks its ok to drive while intoxicated. especially when almost twice the legal limit, the one who did the breathalyzer. People want to drink while riding? go right ahead! but use your head! and put everyone elses safety above your own when you do have that beer in your hand. Is that too much to ask? I dont think so.
Braaaaaap
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Wisconsin does not penalize a driver's license for snowmobile DUIs (as it should be, since they are not operated on public roadways and do not require a license to drive). MI and MN do penalize a driver's license for DUI on sleds, boats, ATVs.
SHOOT2KILL
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Heres the first paragraph in the Police/Firefighters CODE OF ETHICS that they swear to when hired...
Always conduct myself, on and off duty, in a manner that reflects positively on myself, my department and the fire/police service in general. Accept responsibility for my actions and for the consequences of my actions. Support the concept of fairness and the value of diverse thoughts and opinions.
ddhanna
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So should they lose their job for a speeding ticket? Remember in Wisconsin, first DUI is not a crime.
goofy600
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Again all it says is accept responsibility for your actions nowhere does it say they have to be perfect at every moment in their life. Hopefully they can get past this and learn from this. And one thing I can say is I’ve never met a perfect person but hopefully some day a long time from now I do.
SHOOT2KILL
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I could care less what happens to them...I only started the thread to sit back and watch the shytstorm ensue...Thanks for the free entertainment......Carry On...
Must be nice to be as perfect as you. If these two were plumbers or electricians would anybody give a crap? Would it make the news and have every sanctimonious do-gooder condemning them? They were NOT on duty. Cops have personal lives and yes, they make mistakes. I get it that cops are held to a higher standard then Joe Shit the rag man and what they did was wrong, but to go for their throats and want them fired is absurd. Glad I didn't work for you early in my career when I wore a badge and made mistakes and I'm sure the guys who worked for me late in my career are glad I used common sense and understanding of life experiences when I handed down disciplinary actions.
ICT Sledder
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I said none of those things, like literally.
ICT Sledder
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No one is saying they need to be cast into the fires of hell.
SHOOT2KILL
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LOL...I saw that too...Reading comprehension issues or just another spin job to fit a personal narrative...Anyway...THANKS for the free entertainment Mr Goofy006...
ICT Sledder
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You're familiar with Brady-Giglio then? How an officer who is convicted of a DUI is likely now arguably useless to enforce or testify in cases involving same?
From what I know, that sounds about right for fair and just discipline.
Who would ever want to become a Police officer if you can't make a few mistakes off the job? We should be concentrating and punishing them for their misconduct on the job that some of them get away with nothing more than a slap on the wrist. It sounds like these guys tried to show the arresting officer the fact that they were LE's IMO they should also get a fine for that. Losing their job though would be a no IMO
SHOOT2KILL
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I wondered if someone was going to bring that up...I'll take it one step further...A GOOD criminal defense attorney might use these officers arrests to get former OWI convictions they were involved in while on duty in their jurisdiction expunged...A whole new can of worms for the local county prosecutors to review...