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You sound as if you're surprised!
Surprised it is going up over 250 percent! Just kick the middle class in the nuts again.
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The promises we kept hearing were "costs would go down by $2,500 per year, if you liked your doctor, you'd get to keep your doctor, if you liked your health plan, you'd get to keep your help plan, I can guarantee you that." Can't you just hear Obama saying that over and over and over? His voice is like fingernails on the chalkboard to me! As it ends up, many people are finding out they won't get any of those promises! Not one.
Well, SOMEBODY has to pay for the "free stuffers", dontcha know!
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I think there's a lot of individuals that supported the HC bill and the politicians behind it, that are now realizing it was all hollow and false promises and in some cases, just down right lies.
Nothing about this has surprised me, other than the depth of their deceit to lure unsuspecting individuals into their plan. Over two weeks since the rollout and the website still doesn't work.
And we are supposed to believe they will be able to manage your healthcare, when they can't even get a website to work?
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All those smooth talking liars in DC could walk sixty percent of this country's sheep over a cliff and they are in the process of doing so and taking the rest of us with them,,,,with debt and obummercare. Gotta luv it ya'll dumbazz sheep
www.usdebtclock.org
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if owebamas lips are moving he is lying
Just checked family coverage. For 2013, 1000 deductible, 30 copay for doctor visit, $451 a month. After Jan 1st when the ACA starts up, 1000 deductible, 20 percent co-insurance, $959.50 a month!!
And people who voted for and believed the Dems, and the POS president, thought rates were going DOWN! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA, what a fricken joke.
To **** with it, I am going on disability, work for cash, and someone else can pay for this ****ed up ACA law!
And people who voted for and believed the Dems, and the POS president, thought rates were going DOWN! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA, what a fricken joke.
To **** with it, I am going on disability, work for cash, and someone else can pay for this ****ed up ACA law!
You probably won't be alone.
And now you don't have a choice. You have to pay. Why did anyone think prices would go down when you either pay the price that is quoted or pay the tax penalty? Isn't that how a free market works? You think the price is to high, you don't pay. Now you don't pay, you will eventually, and insurance companies know this! The biggest thing a government can do to hurt the economy is get involved with the free markets, and Obarfa is the worst in the history at getting involved in free markets. Cash for clunkers is a good example of this. But this will affect everyone, and we only have seen the tip of the iceburg, sad to say.
The problem with me doing that is this; that is not how I was raised. Dad always said, if you want something, you have to work to get it, there isn't a magical fairy who is going to GIVE you anything.
Just got word from my wife, the plan through her work is going up, but not as much as my work plan, and there are a couple of different options, the higher the deductible, the cheaper the monthly premium, which really sucks, but hey, as long as I can keep paying for the losers in this country, thats ok right Obummer?
Sure there is....the government, remember? Trust them, they're here to help!
But seriously....I was raised the same way so I know where you're coming from.
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And here I thought you might have been a liberal.
HEAR HERE!!
I'm thinking the disability route as well, and I have grounds. All it will take is one more employment catastrophe, and I'm in.
Negative ghost rider, no liberal here!
http://poorrichardsnews.com/post/63737924453/video-dave-ramsey-lays-out-the-facts-of-obamacare-for
Good easy to understand explanation of why, if you are paying for health care, it will be going up, not down.
Good easy to understand explanation of why, if you are paying for health care, it will be going up, not down.
With all due respect, Mr Ramsey's argument has holes big enough to drive a truck through
1) To understand this issue one must realize that health "insurance" is not "Insurance", it is health care. Everyone, all of us, do, or will, need health care. We do not all need car insurance. It is different. Mr Ramsey talks about the 500 lb diabetic with three heart attacks as if it is new spending in the health care system. It is not new spending. That person is already receiving health care, and if they have no insurance we (you and I) eat the losses with higher costs that we, and our current insurers, and the government pay for. That was $117b last year. Again, the costs are not new costs. Mr Ramsey is incorrect on his assumption. Yes those costs will shift, yes different providers will realize different effects on their businesses, but these are not new costs.
2) While he bases his argument on MATH (oohhh!, look, numbers) he did not show me any math. There was no factual support to his argument, none, not a bit. Might it be just possible that the MATH didn't work out? Could he find no study from anyone to support his assertions? I do not know if costs will go up or down (For me, I am already saving $9800 per year with the reforms, and I haven't shopped the marketplace yet). But what I do know is that if you are basing your argument on MATH, and you choose to show me none, your argument must be pretty weak.
3) 46% of Americans "pay nothing" is incorrect. They may pay no income tax, but the "pay nothing" statement is part of what got Romney into trouble in the last election. Of the non taxpayers 53.6% (Oohhh, math) make less than $16, 812 per year. They pay no income taxes because they are poor. They do pay other taxes, such as sales tax, Social Security, Medicare, gas tax, on and on. Are we to tax someone who make $1400 a month gross?
4) His discussion of Social Security is misleading, he should know better. You do not pay into your account, you pay into the pool, and when your time comes you get paid. While I am not trying to cover up the myriad of problems both due to actuarial tables and Congress raiding the fund, his description of how it works is intentionally misleading.
Look, I know i'm the flaming f'in liberal on this site (and proud of it!). I also know that the ACA is a crap shoot because the health care system is so complex. But I tend to ask questions of arguments presented to me. This video was a puff piece, no proof, no facts. I'm just gonna scare you with MATH! And my math says I'm $9800 to the good.
Okay, I'm done now....!
1) To understand this issue one must realize that health "insurance" is not "Insurance", it is health care. Everyone, all of us, do, or will, need health care. We do not all need car insurance. It is different. Mr Ramsey talks about the 500 lb diabetic with three heart attacks as if it is new spending in the health care system. It is not new spending. That person is already receiving health care, and if they have no insurance we (you and I) eat the losses with higher costs that we, and our current insurers, and the government pay for. That was $117b last year. Again, the costs are not new costs. Mr Ramsey is incorrect on his assumption. Yes those costs will shift, yes different providers will realize different effects on their businesses, but these are not new costs.
2) While he bases his argument on MATH (oohhh!, look, numbers) he did not show me any math. There was no factual support to his argument, none, not a bit. Might it be just possible that the MATH didn't work out? Could he find no study from anyone to support his assertions? I do not know if costs will go up or down (For me, I am already saving $9800 per year with the reforms, and I haven't shopped the marketplace yet). But what I do know is that if you are basing your argument on MATH, and you choose to show me none, your argument must be pretty weak.
3) 46% of Americans "pay nothing" is incorrect. They may pay no income tax, but the "pay nothing" statement is part of what got Romney into trouble in the last election. Of the non taxpayers 53.6% (Oohhh, math) make less than $16, 812 per year. They pay no income taxes because they are poor. They do pay other taxes, such as sales tax, Social Security, Medicare, gas tax, on and on. Are we to tax someone who make $1400 a month gross?
4) His discussion of Social Security is misleading, he should know better. You do not pay into your account, you pay into the pool, and when your time comes you get paid. While I am not trying to cover up the myriad of problems both due to actuarial tables and Congress raiding the fund, his description of how it works is intentionally misleading.
Look, I know i'm the flaming f'in liberal on this site (and proud of it!). I also know that the ACA is a crap shoot because the health care system is so complex. But I tend to ask questions of arguments presented to me. This video was a puff piece, no proof, no facts. I'm just gonna scare you with MATH! And my math says I'm $9800 to the good.
Okay, I'm done now....!