BRP sues Arctic Cat

[marty700]

Interesting wonder why they listed RT 12 in the law suit, just wondering used to live down that way and still work in the area.

They probably wanted to file suit in Chicago. The federal courts in Chicago (the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Illinois and the U.S. Court 0f Appeals for the Seventh Circuit) have had a lot of experience handling complex patent infringement cases - including some involving snowmobiles. In order to file suit in federal court in Chicago, they needed a named defendant who "resides" in the district. Route 12 Rental is in Cook County, IL. Arctic Cat will probably defend and indemnify the dealer, so its really probably just a technical legal matter for jurisdiction and venue.

 

[mride460]

He bashed Cat. I stood up for cat. Don't see what I did wrong.

Doo is just jealous... simple as that. Can't beat em.... Sue em!

Let's just say green is a lot better than yellow

Arctic Cat did not create their chassis with a tinfoil bulkhead therefore they did not copy Doo...

How come no ones copied their isoflex crank bearings either?

No I like my cranks to last longer than 5000 miles

Ski Doo made the dumb decision and made sleds with isoflex crank bearings. You can't tell me that they are better than a non-sealed crank bearing.

He bashed Cat. I stood up for cat. Don't see what I did wrong.

"IMO...IMO". Patent and copyright laws were made for a reason. When you copy someone else's idea or even really close to their idea, you get sued and the copier usually loses.

"If you look back over the last 10 years",

besides the rush rear suspension, all the revolutionary snowmobile ideas have come from the guys in yellow up in Canada. Its the truth, like it or not.

Cat looks to have something with this new 2012 chassis,

but prior to this "the last great thing cat did was the A arm front suspension back in the 90's..."

Which by law, no one got to copy until their patent ran out. Whats fair for cat's a arms should now be fair for doo's whatever..

I bashed CAT?? OK... I guess.. Can we be friends now Indy?

Their telescoping riser deal is pretty sweet to..

 

[mride460]

Did they put it in any consumer sleds?

Not sure about the V-800, but they had the V-1000 4S in the 2003 Legend SE line of sleds..

 

[fjr4me]

I don't think they used the V-800 until 06-07 in the Scandic.

They also had the 4-tec 1500 in the 2004/2005 Elite side-by-sides.

There have been more 4 strokes from the sled manufacturers than one might at first glance realize.

 

[whitedust]

I dug into this further & Doo does have a bitch with AC regarding the new AC Procross pyramidal chassis! Strip away the plastic & looks like AC had a Doo XP pyramidal chassis blue printed then designed around Doo chassis patents. Wow are these similar in design & no wonder Doo riders are jumping over to AC to get a light 4s turbo sled which Doo has no answer. For that matter neither does Yam or Poo with the significant weight savings of the AC procross. AC should be profitable as well since 2s & 4s both fit in new pyramidal chassis. A lot of people said they would buy a light turbo 4s over an 800 2s if it was available & looks like that is happening. I have no idea how this patent suit will end up but I can now see why Doo brought suit. Doo must not have an answer to the turbo 4s which is surprising or maybe Doo is setting the stage for their own XP turbo in 2013 & is beating AC to the turbo 4s pyramidal chassis law suit counter suit. Time will tell how the AC procross will hold up but I'm betting it will handle exceptionally well in all conditions.

 

[ezra]

I dont know I have had the plastic off a few revs replacing nuns and have spent some time working on the 12 race sled and the 4 alloy bars creating the so called pyramid frame is where the similarities end.
so in that logic all trucks with 2 main steel u shaped frame rails need to stop until they figure out who first used parallel steel bars for a frame and pay them some money.
go back and find my post new race sled some close ups there you can see connection point on chain case and fr and rear bulk head completely diff than a rev heck the fr and rear part of bulk head not even really connected

 

[ezra]

ok not as close as I remembered but you can see a few ever seen a rev with connection points on motor or chain case parts.
I just think 4 cunks of aluminum making a frame is a strech.

 

[whitedust]

IMO Doo does have a bitch never seen any 2 sled designs so simular to patents. Now hand it to slick lawyers & average jury & who knows? The way I came on to simularies was 2 mag photos laying side by side by accident & I thought I was looking at the doo chassis but no it was the AC procross. I'm thinking AC coppied the doo XP platform without question but tried to change it enough to avoid a pantent suit but Doo took 1 look & thought shut this down now! All this IMO only but sure would like to be on the Cook County jury & hear the design speel.

 

[danschevyv8]

It seems to me poo would have the motor out back. wood cleats in the track, or maybe just steel cleats. I don't think any of you guys have had the pleasure of changing a bunch of broken cleats after a 30 mile ride if you had a poo or a cat in the good old days. ALL THE COMPANIES HAVE CONTRIBUTED SOMETHING TO GET US WHERE WE ARE.

 

[polarisrider1]

I totally love my new RMK Pro if I would ever get a chance to ride it. Fog and rain. Did we skip right into April??? Indy, I am not to knowledgable about Doo, but I did put 4400 miles on a 06 600SDI Renegade in a matter of weeks with only having a relay or whatever those silver little cubes are, pop out of the socket on a truly rough trail into Paradise. Pushed it back down and away I went. Sled now has over 14,000 miles on it with no issues. It has used 7 belts and 5 sets of plugs. 4 idler wheel bearings, 5 sets of hyfax and 7 pr. of carbides, and all new track clips, a new battery (all wear items) and still running strong. Heck I thought the battery would never die. No engine issues. I must not have the bearings and crank you speak of??

 

[mride460]

PR1 - The 600 class ski-doo motors have been pretty reliable over the years. From the big block 600 carb to the 600sdi and now the 600 etec. Its the 800R that has been problematic over the last 5 years or so, and each year has seamed to have a different problem. From reed cage delamination, to piston and ring issues to cylinder plating chipping off to the latest crank and bearing issues. Its like they fix one issue and the next year a new one rears its ugly head.
2011 was the last year for the R, its being replaced by the 800etec. By the sounds of it there are some issues with the 800etec as well. Time will tell.
Rotax nailed it with the etec outboards and the 600 snomo mill. Not sure what the deal is on a big bore sled engine that they cant figure out.

I've got the 250HO etec outboard on my tri-toon and it has been flawless for 3 years and nearly 900 hours. My Merc. 300 Drag on the STV another story... lol