BRP sues Arctic Cat

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mjkaliszak

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lvr1000 said:
Hmmm mjkaliszak, a 94 t-cat for boondocking (or any t-cat-575 lbs dry w/ 121") lol. I put that right up there with using a Honda Pilot for pulling a 24 foot camper.

Yes we need snow
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I guess at this point in my life " I am what I am "....

I could have called it ditchbanging.... I used to be in pretty good shape many moons ago.
 
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Before 2003 all four brands were basically the same just different colors. Yes, some had A arms and some had trailing arms but after that they shared a lot. In 2003 Yammie came with the RX1, Doo came with the first Rev and AC came with the first of the F series. All three of these sleds were a departure from the same old same old everyone was used to. All of them have some good new ideas and all of them steal from each other. All of them sue each other and they trade tech back and forth. It has been that way for years. I suspect the lawsuit will go nowhere. If one little tiny angle is different that will be the end of it. It is all just a game. And yes we need snow.
 
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mride460

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indy_500 said:
Arctic Cat did not create their chassis with a tinfoil bulkhead therefore they did not copy Doo...
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and you know this because you rode a new XF in all that powder you've got over there in Wisconsin and hit a few hidden stumps and that chassis didn't dent or crumble??

Speaking from experience, my 07 rev chassis throughout its 13,800 miles of use took many stumps, rocks, boulders, bumps and ice heaves without a single problem and still got $3200 when it sold down @ white star last spring..

Remember you're arguing cat and doo differences with a guy that has 2 doo's and 3 cats in his trailer!! lol
 
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I couldn't agree with you more on your whole post and I think there is a lot of truth to your statement that doo is jealous of Arctic Cat. I think Arctic Cat has stolen a lot of Doo's thunder and is on the up again.

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Hey, how about all the manufactures can't use anything the others invented, ever. So Cat will have the a-arm front and slide rail rear suspensions. Polaris would have the trail arm front and boggie wheel rear suspensions. Yamaha would have the T.S.S. front and boggie wheel rear suspensions. And Doo would have the leaf spring front and boogie wheel rear suspensions.

Cat could be the only one to place the engine before the track while everyone else would have to place the engine over the track. Doo would have the only rubber track. Polaris gets to exclusively use their clutch design. All engines would have to be free-air or fanned cooled because Brute had the first liquid-cooled engine and their gone. Long travel suspensions would be owned by Fast and use by anyone who will pay Karpik a fee. Oh yes, of course since Fast actually invented the ride forward design, any manufacture could buy that from him too.

So, since Fast made the first ride forward design (source http://www.snowgoer.com/output.cfm?id=1192429), what did Doo invent over the last ten years.

This is like Apple suing Microsoft over the GUI interface which Apple actually copied from Xerox. So Doo is suing Cat for a design they copied from Fast. This suit is going no where. Indy is right, Doo is jealous and sees Cat as a threat.
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mride460 said:
and you know this because you rode a new XF in all that powder you've got over there in Wisconsin and hit a few hidden stumps and that chassis didn't dent or crumble??

Speaking from experience, my 07 rev chassis throughout its 13,800 miles of use took many stumps, rocks, boulders, bumps and ice heaves without a single problem and still got $3200 when it sold down @ white star last spring..

Remember you're arguing cat and doo differences with a guy that has 2 doo's and 3 cats in his trailer!! lol
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yes true your 07 was not a tin foil sled but the xp is a completely diff ball of foil.after you spend about 800 in gussets and braces it is just fine though
 
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ezra said:
yes true your 07 was not a tin foil sled but the xp is a completely diff ball of foil.after you spend about 800 in gussets and braces it is just fine though
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Yes, you are right. My point is that the new cat chassis has not had any "real world, real rider" miles put on it yet. Arctic Cat can test and tune and the snomo mags can do what they do to it, but until the public gets on them and beats the heck out of it we just shouldn't make statements like indy did.. We and he just don't know how well its built.. Yet! ;-)
 
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ezra

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cat has been beating the sh** out of that chassi for over a yr.guys like hibbert have been out all last winter and this summer pounding them harder than most could dream of having the skill to do.
cat is not the one with the reputation of letting there consumers do the testing for them and neither is doo
 
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vmax1994 said:
Not sure about that recall. There already was one but its limited to certain serial numbers. A total of a couple hundred sleds. So unless there is another recall,you are probably not affected. I wasn't. The issue had something to do with the piston clip falling out.
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vmax1994 said:
Correction: I just pulled up the serial number list. Probably more like a thousand affected sleds.
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vmax1994, can the list be pusblished here. I've got a 2011 E-Tech 800 , it was one of the last one built.
 
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Maybe the lawsuit is so to fund the additional man power to build their fourstroke. Since arctic cat is failing to build enough of theirs! HAHA guy down here was told he prolly wouldnt see his new cat till AFTER the season!!!! Arctic crap.
 
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mride460 said:
Yes, you are right. My point is that the new cat chassis has not had any "real world, real rider" miles put on it yet. Arctic Cat can test and tune and the snomo mags can do what they do to it, but until the public gets on them and beats the heck out of it we just shouldn't make statements like indy did.. We and he just don't know how well its built.. Yet! ;-)
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Indy bends the rules on brand bashing all the time just have to ignor some of his BS from time to time. True Indy has no bases to say AC new platform is weak in any way. As you said no one knows at this point & probably will do very well ......time will tell.:)
 
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mjkaliszak

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I do have my concerns about the chassis being able to take a hit. I for one am hoping to take it easy on mine.... if it ever does snow ! Don't want to test it out. I'll let the other guys start smashing the new ones up and review their damage.
 
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luke_duke

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smokinram114 said:
Maybe the lawsuit is so to fund the additional man power to build their fourstroke. Since arctic cat is failing to build enough of theirs! HAHA guy down here was told he prolly wouldnt see his new cat till AFTER the season!!!! Arctic crap.
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I don't think arctic cat was counting on all the Doo riders jumping ship so fast.
 
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luke_duke said:
I don't think arctic cat was counting on all the Doo riders jumping ship so fast.
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I can see that happening. My perception back in the late 90's/early 2000's was that the ZR was "THE" trail sled to have, with its suspension being ahead of the others at that time. When the REV came out, it quickly stole that market from Cat, as the firecats weren't received that well initially (although I think there is now a lot of respect for that chassis as well as the durability and performance of the Cat/Suzuki engines compared to the other 2 strokers). The twin spar was probably even further away from the typical "cat" sled as it emphasized comfort over cornering ability. I get the impression from a lot of Doo riders that they love the performance of their sleds but the reliability has been mixed, which is extremely important to most folks. So if a former Cat rider saw Cat put out something they really liked, they'd jump back in a heartbeat.

All of this is just my opinion and probably not that well-thought-out and I'm not really a brand guy so don't jump on that...
 
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whitedust

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Procross is what the cat riders have been looking for so sales are brisk...... BUT Doo probably will release a new platform in 2013 then separate from others again. Doo lacks a turbo 4s now so that hurts too. IMO
 
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