Dream Team chasing Tourists Away!

ubee

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A DNR task force set up in the Minocqua area during the town's Cruiserfest weekend Feb. 12 and 13, and its alleged "unfriendly" treatment of snowmobile operators during that weekend has angered some area visitors and residents.

Those angered are accusing the task force personnel of harassing snowmobile operators and visitors with a method of operation they felt was unfriendly, discourteous and unwanted.

In fact, Minocqua town chairman Joe Handrick said after learning of the task force's activities in the area, that if he had known in advance they were coming to Minocqua he would have "asked them not to."

During Thursday's meeting of the area's Room Tax Commission, Diane Hapka executive director of the Minocqua-Woodruff-Arbor Vitae Area Chamber of Commerce, said after hearing about the controversy, "it doesn't put a friendly face on the event."

The Lakeland Times received reports from area residents and visitors about what they felt were "strong arm" tactics used by DNR personnel to enforce snowmobile on-trail and off-trail regulations.

Angela Ellenbecker and her husband, Bill, who traveled to the area from Shorewood, Ill., were at Cruiserfest and have attended the event in years past. When they have attended they have also brought their vintage snowmobiles along which they then ride in the torchlight parade held on Friday night. But this year, according to Ellenbecker, was different from previous.

"We were asked to drive our vintage snowmobiles in the parade," Ellenbecker said. "Just when we were going to ride onto Lake Minocqua we were stopped by DNR personnel. They said because our snowmobiles were unregistered we could not ride them in the torchlight parade. And then they would not allow us to drive them back to our hotel. My husband was forced to find a ride back to the hotel, bring back our vehicle and trailer and then put them on the trailer before driving back."

Ellenbecker said she and her husband tried to explain that they had done the same thing for several years and had never been stopped, but she said the DNR personnel were not going to listen to anything they had to say about the issue.

"We said we've done this for seven years, but one DNR person said, 'This is the law. We are not wavering. We're not going to take any crap this year.'"

She said one person from the DNR said that the agency "brought 51 extra DNR guys in for this event."

Tom Wrasse, conservation warden supervisor from Woodruff, was one who served on the task force during Cruiserfest. He said he knew nothing about the incident involving Ellenbecker and other vintage snowmobile drivers.

"I think it had to have been another law enforcement agency that was in contact with them because no member of our task force was at that location," Wrasse said.

Wrasse also said it has been his experience in similar situations that he and others would have allowed the people to drive their vintage snowmobile back to their hotel.

Ellenbecker said after their run-in with the DNR, it was difficult for them to enjoy the remainder of the weekend.

"My husband was so upset he couldn't eat that night," she said. "It really ruined our weekend."

Assembly line ticket machine

Tom Germany, of Chicago, Ill., was also at Cruiserfest. He said he was stopped by DNR law enforcement at about 2:30 a.m., Saturday, Feb. 13, on the Bearskin Trail in Minocqua.

"They said I had rolled through a stop sign," Germany said. "They then gave me the breathalyzer test and they said I registered .082. But when they took me to the Minocqua Police Department they had me blow six times and each time it said I had only 'mouth alcohol.' Despite that, they still gave me a ticket for over $860 for public intoxication. How can I be publicly intoxicated if it did not register any alcohol?"

Germany also said he felt mistreated by the DNR because after he was handcuffed they put him in a vehicle without putting his seatbelt on and he accused the DNR person driving the vehicle of running through a stop sign enroute to the police department.

Germany and others accused the DNR of being "almost like an assembly line" in how they would stop snowmobile after snowmobile for failing to stop at a trail stop sign and then issue ticket after ticket.

Other complaints voiced

Deanne Kidd, co-owner of The Thirsty Whale on Lake Minocqua, said many snowmobilers came into her business during Cruiserfest with stories of how they had been stopped or ticketed by the DNR personnel that weekend.

"I had someone tell me that they could see when they were stopped on the trail that the DNR people already had many of the tickets prewritten and all they had to do was fill in the name," Kidd said. "That's ridiculous."

Wrasse said he was not aware of anyone from the task force writing out tickets ahead of time, but he said it's not uncommon for personnel to do that.

"They can fill in information about the most common reasons snowmobilers are stopped and then write in the statute number and etc. to save some time," Wrasse said.

"It's one thing to have safe trails, but it's another thing when there is this kind of harassment," Kidd said. "Many came in and said they had received a ticket or had been warned. Some said they would have second thoughts about returning to the area because of their contact with the DNR."

Wrasse said that as far as he knows they had no problems with people they stopped except for one incident.

"We had a snowmobile flee with two people that we wanted to stop for operating while intoxicated," Wresse said. "But the vast majority of the other people were glad we were there trying to protect them and the rest of the public."

DNR denies accusations

Todd Schaller, section chief of the DNR's Recreation Safety Enforcement Division, said he wasn't part of the agency's task force at Cruiserfest so he could not speak to any of the accusations.

He did say that he was informed that the task force had issued 34 citations, 75 verbal warnings and made five arrests for operating while intoxicated. He said despite rumors claiming otherwise, the DNR had only 13 people manning the Cruiserfest operation.

"Six were members of the department from outside of the area. Seven were wardens from the Minocqua area," Schaller said.

"The main focus of the task force is to be a visual deterrent for speed and alcohol violations. That's what we did here."

Schaller also said that a representative from State Sen. Jim Holperin's 12th Senate District office had contacted the DNR after the senator had received complaints about the DNR's actions at Cruiserfest. Schaller said the information provided to that representative by the DNR apparently was enough because nothing more was heard from Holperin's office.

The Lakeland Times requested Schaller provide information on how much was spent by the DNR in connection with the Cruiserfest task force and how much in terms of dollars the citations totaled.

Schaller said he would try to find that information and provide it if possible. The information was not provided before this story went to press.

Schaller said DNR personnel were well within their rights when they ordered the riders of vintage snowmobiles to stop and not drive them any farther. He said they did nothing wrong by also not allowing the owners of the machines to drive them back to their hotel and instead ordering them to be loaded onto a trailer to be removed.

"Every snowmobile has to be registered if it operates on a trail," Schaller said. "There is also registration available for antique snowmobiles. So there is no excuse for not having the machine registered."

Schaller said the only way he can explain why the issue of registration was never brought up before to Ellenbecker and others is that they never came in contact with DNR personnel before while driving the machines.

Handrick concerned

Handrick said he saw no reason for the DNR to have had the task force in Minocqua in the first place.

"This is a family-oriented event," Handrick said. "If you had gone out on the ice you could see that that there were mostly families taking part and enjoying themselves."

"We don't need their assistance. Our police department is more than capable of handling whatever could have occurred during the event. They (DNR personnel) need to concentrate on stopping the drivers who are operating at high speed and who are driving drunk - not families."

Handrick said the town "shares the frustrations of all of the people who had complaints" about the DNR's task force.

Schaller said he assumes that the Minocqua Police Department had been contacted by his department before they set up the area task force, but he could not confirm that they had actually been contacted. When asked if the task force would not have traveled to the area if they had been asked to not do so by local officials, he said they would have had to have had a discussion over such a request.

Wrasse said that he wishes any members of the public who have questions or who believe they were mistreated to contact him and he will investigate the incident.

Joe VanDeLaarschot can be reached at jvandelaarschot@lakelandtimes.com.
 

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snowshoe

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"34 citations, 75 verbal warnings and made five arrests"

Compare those numbers with the turnout of the event and thier the Gestapo? Get real...

This is the same thread over and over again this year. Bottom line is dont drink, have your sled registered and dont roll stop signs. Maybe we should also report all the times people went right by a warden, sherrif, town cop, etc and just waved and went on our way.
 

michaeladams

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snowshoe,i'm right there with ya,don't drink and ride,register your sled,don't give them a reason to mess with you i'mfor all of that.but i am not in favor of checkpoints.i think that is going too far
 

michaeladams

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and yes , checkpoints were used by the gestopo.there are similarities between now and then going on right now.blast me if i'm wrong
 

snowshoe

Member
Growing up i've always been taught that snowmobiling is a right and not a priviledge.
If I were a warden and was assigned this weekend I would park myself right at the end of the bridge or down on the lake near the Thirsty Whale and watch for things. Some may call that a checkpoint but I would consider it the best way to see the most people. I'd be annoyed to if I drove up my vintage machine to ride the parade but it's his own fault. I'd expect the same treatment, likely worse, if I drove up with an unregistered boat about to launch.
 

olsmann

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this is stupid

Yep, dont drink, registar your sled, stop at stop signs and you will never have trouble. Been riding for 20 years (probably 30000 sled miles) in WI all over the state, been stopped a bunch of time and never gotton a ticket. Never been harassed. Why do some of you push the limits and then get mad when you or someone you know gets a ticket. Why is a checkpoint a big deal if your not breaking the law? Minor inconvienence maybe, Please tell me you didnt just compare getting checked for proper sled registration to the gestapo! Grow up, Im sure there are folks that would be offended by that stupid comparison. Take off the tin foil hat people, the DNR setting up a check point during a sledding event is not big brother trampling on your liberties! Its not green peace knocking on you door to take you sled from you. I dont drink and ride and i spend a fortune registering my sleds and getting trail permits so i love it when they bust people that try to get away without doin it! Not everthing that happens is a conspiricy to take your freedoms away


And I would consider snowmobiling a privilage NOT a right seeing as how it depends on private landowners to do it.
 
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nhra1000

Member
Ubee,

I agree there is no need to bring in a task force for the event. Waste of time and government money we dont have. Local guys can handle it fine. It was probably a witch hunt. However, the guy with the vinatge sleds: they werent registered. Period. What is he pissed about? Everyone else has to have registration or trail permit...why not him?
 

MR.HAPPY

Member
Just like at Eagle River a couple weeks back, IT'S HARASSMENT!

Just stop going to these places is the answer!!!

No revenue, NO OFFICERS!!!
 

dcsnomo

Moderator
I agree that we should stop at stop signs, be sober, and register our sleds. My problem is (if the story is correct) the lack of coordination between the local community and the DNR. As a person who has spent countless hours in my community helping to develop our tourism it bothers me to see a heavy handed state agency operate independently of the local community to the detriment of that community's business. To be clear, the DNR has the legal right to do what it did. But if its interest is to promote snowmobile safety why not inform the Chamber of Commerce, sheriff, and Town Board of their intent to increase patrols? Why not tell where and when the checkpoints will be so the Chamber can get the info out to its members? If the intent is to promote safe snowmobiling then telling every sledder checking into their motel that there will be checkpoints will result in people sobering up, slowing down, and stopping at stop signs.

As a former village president in WI I am very aware how the DNR operates with little concern for the needs of the local community. It operates on a statewide agenda with little regard for town and village boards.

These tourism based economies in Wisconsin's small towns are very fragile, especially now. Room occupancy in WI declined 10.2% in 2009. Enforcing safe snowmobiling with a "gotcha" campaign will only make it harder on the motel, restaurant, or bar owner that needs "big event" weekend to survive. After all the work the local business community does to build these events, having the DNR play gotcha to the people who decided to attend is counter to the community's needs.
 

briano

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They should have a Vintage Registration for old sleds where you can register it and not have to have a trail permit. Most of the guys that only take their vintage sleds to shows or whatever should be able to cruise around on them without having a trail permit. I can't think of a reason why these old sleds should have a trail permit if they are not on the trail system with them, also some guys have a lot of time and money in their machines and don't want a nice bright ignorant green or orange sticker on the hood. Can't there be something like a historical plate on a vehicle for sleds that are only used for shows or parades, it is bullsh&t how they can't even be in a parade. DNR SUCKS I will never stop for them if they want me they can chase along with their Venture Lite.
 

anonomoose

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So Wisconsin requires registration of old sleds that don't go anywhere but parades and shows and special rides?

Seems like a revenue stream to me. Nice to see so many happy to pay all those fees and such....wish they would send some extra money to Lansing, we need all the help we can get down there....feel free to pull out those checks for a good cause and all.

If you read the bi-weekly CO reports special events are targeted in every state. Bigger the show the more CO representation will be there. So avoid these places with old sleds, and if you need to drink better be prepared to be stopped and play the games.

One thing is for sure though and that is if enough bad publicity hits the news, and event organizers feel that it will hurt turn-out which they work hard to drum up, they will bend some ears and the flames will get turned down a notch or two.

Problem as I see it is that most antique sled owners don't ride the sleds much if any, and they do go to shows and things and might drive them around the yard or two and problem with that is that to do it you must have them registered and the means every 3 years, at least in Michigan.

On the other hand if you own an antique car and go to antique shows, you can drive on the road to the shows and in parades and buy a one time plate that means you are sort of exempt from this process the sleds are subjected to.

Should have the same thing for sleds and this would eliminate 90% of the confusion. Someone who was invited down to go in a parade with an old sled he has fixed up and restored might very well be unhappy if the CO says, "no your not!".

Legislature should enact a vintage sled sticker which restricts the sled use and affords special privileges which these owners can participate in without fear of being ticketed and or interfered with by the CO if they show up.
 

ubee

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NHRA, you are absolutly right about the sled registrations.old, new,vintage,antique they all need paperwork to be on the trail! the article is from our local newspaper,LAKELAND TIMES and they report the news! I myself try to stay clear of these places as a lot of people and cops show up for amatuer hour and the law has a field day.obey the law(you can have beers,just dont go nuts) and you wont have any trouble.Economy is tuff enough and this news does not help tourism but will make people aware that the DNR is out there doing their job that we pay them for! Follow the law and you wont have any problems! Ignorance is no excuse for not knowing the law!Ride SAFE!!
 

ubee

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I have one sled with ANTIQUE registration,looks like a one time deal if the sled is old enough! Still lots of people riding older vintage sleds,1970;s,80,90,s that need regular registations to ride the trail systems.need vintage people to push for a special Vintage tag for shows, parades,Races are exempt I believe!
 

indy_500

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this is only my 4th year riding on the trails (yes i that young) and i've put on over 8,000 miles and no problems. register, stop, don't be loud, and don't drink (well that last one doesn't really apply to me)
 

jroz

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So...fraulein, vere are your papersss. Ve have vays of making you talk if you dont convess yer treason against the Fatherland. Guards!!! Take them avay!!! And conviscate the contraband snow vehicles as a tribute to our great leader...
 

Skylar

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Staff member
so...fraulein, vere are your papersss. Ve have vays of making you talk if you dont convess yer treason against the fatherland. Guards!!! Take them avay!!! And conviscate the contraband snow vehicles as a tribute to our great leader...


lmao!
 

t_man

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My Story

I too used to have the attitude that there must be more to the stories and that as long as you are not doing anything wrong, as Indy stated, you have nothing to worry about.

Four years ago or so our group was sledding from St. Germain. A few miles from town we come to a section of trail that leaves the woods and follows a road. I was leading our group of four and there was a berm along the side of the road. Turns out the DNR had set up a speed trap and was hiding in a cut in the berm shooting radar. I saw the guy with the radar gun as I passed and slowed down to look back to figure out what was up. DNR officer comes flying out of the cut on a Yami sled with lights flashing right in front of the next guy in our group. Officer spins out the sled and our guy has to take evasive action to avoid hitting him. I pull over quickly at an intersection. DNR sled and truck and the other three in our party all pull up.

DNR says that I was speeding as the trail is along a "maintained road" and I must follow the posted speed limit (20 mph). I was tagged at 30 something. Problem was that the road showed no signs of being maintained. Not plowed. No sand. Etc. DNR even admitted that past the intersection we were sitting at the roadway was no longer "maintained" and there was no speed limit there. Just a 1/4 mile section of "maintained" that looked no different. Now, if that was all there was to it I would have been unhappy at the clear speed trap, but would have taken my lumps and been "more careful" for future speed traps.

Unfortunately, that wasn't it. The DNR officers acted like total power hungry jerks. We all pulled over quickly and politely followed all instructions. They aggressively separated all of us, screamed in our faces (literally less than a foot away) while in agressive postures with their hands on their holstered guns. Continued to scream questions at us without allowing time for us to respond. Total police state situation, completely out of control. They kept us there for about 25 minutes until they got a call on the radio. Then they suddenly stopped everything as if it had been no big deal and said we would get tickets in the mail (which 3 of us did). Still gets my blood pressure up thinking about it today.

I've been sledding since the 70's and passed through many "sticker checkpoints" with DNR in MN, MI, and WI have never had a bad experience other than this one. But just like a few sledders giving all of us a bad name with their actions, these DNR guys sure made me suspicious of all WI DNR, unlikely to spend much time near St. Germain again, and much more likely to believe these stories of abusive DNR.
 
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