Munising

[skidoolouie]

Munising Trails are pretty beat each day in the eveing this week. Head west to gwinn and then up to the north was a great ride. Trail in to christmas is beat also so good luck with spending your money and be happy not at home where it is raining. Pay some kid 10 hr and give him the keys to the groomer cause these adults just dont like to work from the way trails look. If grooming was your business you would be out of business if self employeed. Glad we bought 10 trail passes

 

[groomerdriver]

Munising Trails are pretty beat each day in the eveing this week. Head west to gwinn and then up to the north was a great ride. Trail in to christmas is beat also so good luck with spending your money and be happy not at home where it is raining. Pay some kid 10 hr and give him the keys to the groomer cause these adults just dont like to work from the way trails look. If grooming was your business you would be out of business if self employeed. Glad we bought 10 trail passes

Was told by somebody that was there last weekend and knows how to groom that the Muni groomers were not cutting the entire mogul out and 5-10 sleds later, the whoops were right back.

 

[1fujifilm]

Was told by somebody that was there last weekend and knows how to groom that the Muni groomers were not cutting the entire mogul out and 5-10 sleds later, the whoops were right back.

Sad to hear after the "hype" we have heard about the area taking extra efforts to keep the area rideable.
Supposed to go there next week Tuesday, sounds like even mid-week riding is a fail. Any comments about mid-week riding are encouraged.

Bear

 

[skidoolouie]

You would think this day of age the groomer would have gps on it available to us riders to see that it is moving more than its sitting. Heck the insurance company might even give a discount if they could plug in to the OBD on board data hook up like automobiles.

 

[snocrazy]

Just more sad mis information. I swear. The snow we are dealing with does not pack. THere is jack for a base. For example....... We groom up to the highway in shingleton and turn around. There are so many sleds that by the time you make it back down the same exact trail you just groomed tore up before you make it a mile back down the same trail.

Every one seems to be a grooming expert in the forums etc. I invite you to join our club and come for a ride along or groom your self after being trained.

We talk to a lot of people and get good feedback about what we are doing. Maybe these are people that understand what it takes.

Last night we had a meeting to shake up the routes run. There is def goign to be more focus on trail 8. Castle trail does not see the traffic 8 does (obviously)

Also remember last weekend it was over 40 degrees. We could not groom. We tried. It was not pretty.
So a lot of complaints you are seeing are tied to last weekends lack of grooming.
This was MOTHER NATURE. We do not control the temp, snow fall amounts, type of snow.

I know people drive a long way to get up here. They bring all kinds of $. Last weekend there were definitely soe unhappy riders. Were were 100% honest going in to that weekend on our reports. Even stating to not expect things to be good.

Enough ranting on... .

 

[groomerdriver]

It is not mis-information. My report came from an experienced groomer driver that observed first hand, what one of your drivers was doing.

One cannot "groom" a trail that is moguled up simply by cutting the tops off and filling in the holes, then hoping that the snow will freeze and setup. That is what I call "dragging" a trail....there is a HUGE difference.

I'm not trying to argue with you or spread BS. It is the plain truth and nothing but the truth.

 

[snocrazy]

Was told by somebody that was there last weekend and knows how to groom that the Muni groomers were not cutting the entire mogul out and 5-10 sleds later, the whoops were right back.

That is not accurate. The moguls are not even hard. They are soft. The drag is cutting lower then we want most times. Again.... there is no base ... Maybe a few inches. The snow is not packing.
If you know how to make this better come on over and show us how you work your miracles.

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That is not accurate. The moguls are not even hard. They are soft. The drag is cutting lower then we want most times. Again.... there is no base ... Maybe a few inches. The snow is not packing.
If you know how to make this better come on over and show us how you work your miracles.

Also - last weekend we did not groom due to warm temp. It was a poop show. I know people were not happy. We just need to find a way to control the weather I guess.

 

[skidoolouie]

Wednesday in munising area was very good with seeing 2 different groomers multi times between 8-4pm. Had broke down sled so we where trail side for awhile seeing them.

 

[coldbrewzz]

Hey snocrazy I will be coming up Monday so that would be great if you could get that controlling the weather figured out by then that would be great. But on the serious side I come to the area once a year for 15 years and 1 thing I have learned is no matter if the trails are great or poor whether it be lack of snow or lack of grooming it is what you make of it and in the end I always come back to Ohio with a smile on my face. And always return the next year because no matter what the trails are like they beat the trails here in Ohio and I greatly appreciate the work of all who are involved,

 

[tnehlsen]

Keep up the good work snocrazy, was there 2 weeks ago it was all good. Coming back Saturday, expect it to be just as good. Weather is everything. We try to plans our rides around the snow, usually never disappointed. Hope that clipper hits sun-mon. Can't wait to see what you guys do with the new snow.

 

[1fujifilm]

Keep up the good work snocrazy, was there 2 weeks ago it was all good. Coming back Saturday, expect it to be just as good. Weather is everything. We try to plans our rides around the snow, usually never disappointed. Hope that clipper hits sun-mon. Can't wait to see what you guys do with the new snow.

Some people may actually have somewhere else to ride too as more trails are opening south of the MI border, this may reduce traffic a bit.

Bear

 

[Polarice]

Sounds like everyone is going to Munising because the bands set up there.

I can't wait to get up there and get wasted and call that phone number to complain

 

[frnash]

You would think this day of age the groomer would have gps on it available to us riders to see that it is moving more than its sitting. Heck the insurance company might even give a discount if they could plug in to the OBD on board data hook up like automobiles.

Now there's an idea, groomers with GPS, just like Uber® or SuperShuttle® : "Where's my ride, er… groomer?" Oh, just check my smart phone!

 

[Polarice]

Now there's an idea, groomers with GPS, just like Uber® or SuperShuttle® : "Where's my ride, er… groomer?" Oh, just check my smart phone!

Yes but we would need good cell service to see them then. Maybe they could just make Uber®/Groomer drivers that could just take us bar to bar so we wouldn't have to drive snowmobiles to get there?

 

[snocrazy]

Yes but we would need good cell service to see them then. Maybe they could just make Uber®/Groomer drivers that could just take us bar to bar so we wouldn't have to drive snowmobiles to get there?

There are gps services out there that require no cell service. Trucking company use them.
It is actually being looked in to. Would be cool to display them on an active map on the web site.

Both alger sorva groomers are out 16 to 20 hours a day on weekends.
Weather Permitting - That is 2 shifts each groomer.

Last weekend when it was in 40's they were not out. The one that did go out was the john deer on sunday. The drag was building with the wet slop and was bad. That is why he was panning and not cutting moguls trying to get back in with out removing all the snow that was still there. This must have been the groomer operator that was referred to as not knowing how to groom.

I was out last night. Trails were looking dang good to me. I am talking what was being groomed. 7 out of christmas has some low snow areas and a few corners that get the huge moguls in them. This is ongoing daily project. Trail 8 is setting up nice on the West side. No moguls. There was more of a groove from the 2 sides of traffic. This weekend should be a good one.

 

[coldbrewzz]

Thanks snocrazy appreciate the update. Getting pumped for Monday. Hope you get some more snow.

 

[groomerdriver]

That is not accurate. The moguls are not even hard. They are soft. The drag is cutting lower then we want most times. Again.... there is no base ... Maybe a few inches. The snow is not packing.
If you know how to make this better come on over and show us how you work your miracles.

No miracles, it's called experience and patience. You've had your issues for years and it sounds as if very little has changed.

Good luck!

 

[snocrazy]

No miracles, it's called experience and patience. You've had your issues for years and it sounds as if very little has changed.

Good luck!

You sure are a negative person and its your right to have an opinion.
A lot has changed. The groomer operators are mostly from the club down south of here and have many many years of experience. Yes there are new guys being trained and they are being trained by guys with lots of experience. Sure there is a learning curve but don't sit there behind your keyboard and talk crap especially when you have not even been over here this year. I know this club is doing a good job. These guys have stepped up and are trying to make it better for all. For you to say little has changed is seriously just wrong man. I feel you are way out of line. I "hear" things about other areas I have not been to and don't make negative posts.

 

[ffemt]

Snocrazy keep up the good work some people appreciate all the time and effort and still working with an early season base at 40 degrees you would think some one doing this a lond time would understand

 

[groomerdriver]

You sure are a negative person and its your right to have an opinion.
A lot has changed. The groomer operators are mostly from the club down south of here and have many many years of experience. Yes there are new guys being trained and they are being trained by guys with lots of experience. Sure there is a learning curve but don't sit there behind your keyboard and talk crap especially when you have not even been over here this year. I know this club is doing a good job. These guys have stepped up and are trying to make it better for all. For you to say little has changed is seriously just wrong man. I feel you are way out of line. I "hear" things about other areas I have not been to and don't make negative posts.

It's not something I heard.....a friend witnessed it. This is NOT internet talk. I get the grooming in 40 degree and the "base" thing. It's all about the technical aspects of grooming a trail...not just dragging a trail. Was this a 1X occurrence? Possible and I'm good with that.

Get your drag cutters adjusted so they are capable of taking out an entire mogul. That's all. Maybe your Dubie drags can't be adjusted that far? I don't know.

I'm a realist.....don't like what I type.....that's OK. You want to read nothing but warm and fuzzy comments that's OK too. Maybe they are trying and maybe you're just a paid rep by the CoC to spread cheer.

Your problem is common all across the snowbelt and not just limited to Muni. It's about proper training in grooming a trail....not the "set it and don't look back" method.