omg
- Thread starter POLARISDAN
- Start date
EXCESSIVE FORCE
New member
These dullards don't read the signs,as a matter of fact wherever the signs are the trespassing seems to increase................
ridindirty800
Active member
What he said..... Sign all you want it won't matter. When I mark trails I can put a stay on trail sign every dang post i pound and they will cut every corner and go for a joy ride on a field. The problem is we talk about this every year on here and we are not the problem. I bet for the most part the people on Johndee obey the rules and stay on trail.
positive is IMO< what writing about things here and where ever else,we can
and TRYING to educate and explain why, some of us wish more would NOT trespass and give honest reasons why we ask folks NOT to
every year we get new folks to the sport
so those that dislike topic's like this that feel there beat to death yr after yr
need to remember that HOW do the NEW to the sport guys ever learn if we don't repeat things like this every yr?/
I"m not here saying I hate anyone , and have been effected in many ways by the folks that don';t play by the rules
yet I am still trying to find better ways to stop the repeats in the future
its passion and desire that keeps many of us in this sport, which is positive if you ask me
as without all those that do so much for this sport and get little to NO reward, for it
we'd all be trespassing and loosing our sport!!
and that includes the countless land owners that allow access!
I'm always trying to stay positive, Heck I live in PA, haven
t had open trails here in almost two yrs now, I have to think positive that it will ONLY get better
Love to know how many folks here would still be into snowmobling if they lived where I do LOL
and TRYING to educate and explain why, some of us wish more would NOT trespass and give honest reasons why we ask folks NOT to
every year we get new folks to the sport
so those that dislike topic's like this that feel there beat to death yr after yr
need to remember that HOW do the NEW to the sport guys ever learn if we don't repeat things like this every yr?/
I"m not here saying I hate anyone , and have been effected in many ways by the folks that don';t play by the rules
yet I am still trying to find better ways to stop the repeats in the future
its passion and desire that keeps many of us in this sport, which is positive if you ask me
as without all those that do so much for this sport and get little to NO reward, for it
we'd all be trespassing and loosing our sport!!
and that includes the countless land owners that allow access!
I'm always trying to stay positive, Heck I live in PA, haven
t had open trails here in almost two yrs now, I have to think positive that it will ONLY get better
Love to know how many folks here would still be into snowmobling if they lived where I do LOL
POLARISDAN
New member
snobuilder is my new friend
POLARISDAN
New member
hahahahahhahaha..gud one
snobuilder
Well-known member
I have no money to lend.
D
Deleted member 10829
Guest
I am with you! Some people can only be negative and confrontational. It's sad.
mrbp,I agree with you, and forget that there are a lot of newbies to the sport. Just seems to get beaten a lot to the same crowd. Same snow here in SE WI - none. Heading up to St. Germaine this weekend if only to hang out with the family. I hope everyone has a great weekend. Snow or no snow.
T
Tracker
Guest
alls I know that is if your new and don't know....you go on this trail in keeweenaw and along it for miles are signs....stay on trail....so one assumes no off-trail in this area....then the signs might stop for a while....so one assumes...OK... this must be the legal area for off-trail and what do you know...a field with tracks....so they all go for it...and this happens several times along that trail....and the field opening adjacent to the trail have nothing...no orange fence and no STAY OFF THIS FIELD.....and I hate to say this also.....but I would put up a trail cam and you would discover quickly that...o crap....its the boys from town that first went in there...just sayin......not tryin ta cause trouble...and the trail cam....personally I wouldn't use it to turnin people or be an azzhat....but I would use it ta say...listen little timmy...we been blaming the visitors for this crud and its you guys...how would youse guys like ta be in traction till july...?????.....hmmmmmm
trying to get a picture of a sled from 50 yards away on a trail cam ain't gonna do you much good. and lets say you get a decent picture what you gonna do with it? Now you got a guy on a yellow ski doo wearing a black suit and helmet. you've narrowed it down to 3000 riders. good luck.
HAHA< I can see how that plays out
BUT how's this, in PA< on MY trail system (NEPASNOTRAILS)
there is NO off trail riding, says so when you HAVE TO JOIN to ride these trails there ONLY open to members !
in rule booklet they give and sing in sheet it states STAY ON TRAILS< NO OFF TRAIL RIDING!
says about 10 times that failure to do so causes lost trails and if caught Fines!
STILL folks don't follow these rules, nor or many even join the club, NO state trail here all private!
they have check points on trails to check for NON members even local police do so at road crossings!
ANY how
all the signs in the world don't help it seems when folks ASSUME, that's the problem right there
rather than LEARN how and where, they rather be lazy and just see tracks and follow, and use that as an excuse to I DIDN"T KNOW< if caught!
and hope they just get a warning, which MOST do
so there is no incentive to make the extra effort to LEARN where and where NOT
as for trail cam's
HAHAHA< Been running them since the 90's
things I learned, is trail cam's get stolen rather easy?
bolt them to tree's cable them to tree, chain them, metal boxes
IF they see them and are doing WRONG, most make an effort to destroy them, or steal them
have had mine shot, , had a guy come back with a chain saw and cut the tree down to get it?
smashed with ?? sticks or rocks or?? what ever they had handy or found near by
I have had wireless remote camera too, that email me pic's when they take them(crappy images 99% of the time and just wasted more money on them adding to my lost funds!)
over the past al;most 20 yrs I have LOST about 30+ camera's
SO< YUP tried that too, never much help
but have gotten some super cool pictures of wildlife?? which MOST were bought for any how! LOL
BEST thing I did to date MAYBE that helped SOMEONE learn about trail cam's was in one property, I was loosing camera's way too fats, I rigged up one with a pepper spray grenade , used to sell them for crowd control to law enforcement! that also had a blue marking dye in it
once it went off, ran for about 30+ seconds NON stop
I sealed up a broken game camera really good so NO one could open in the field, and would have to take home to cut it open!!
MOST I gather open and look at SD cards??
left it in a rather easy to find location and 2 days later was GONE
I'd like to think some idiot opened it in there hose or shop and everything including THEM turned blue for a few days and ruined some things as well
not counting the pepper spray itself's effects!
sadly, still had issue's there with trespassing and camera's magically growing legs , and still do as of today!??
cannot stop people till there hit with enough financial loss i, to make them NOT wish to keep going
and thus why trespassing when fines are light, will continue!
folks are lazy to learn the right way from the start! and willing to gamble they WON"T get in trouble IF caught!
T
Tracker
Guest
MRBB....not getting on you but.....i'll bet there is off-trail...and legal too...in your area....and an area can be 100 square miles....or as far as 1 tank of gas....so theres NO FIREROADS?....no forests?.....no farmland with 800 north or 500 west roads?.....no logging?....I find hard to believe since we have that all here and its population central here....ive rode down US41 towards florida and theres off-trail round aboot ST.JOHN INDIANA and southwards towards SCHNIEDER INDIANA and the hunting areas down that way.....just wondering
tracker, as far as I know there is 100% NO legal state owned or federal public play area's in PA
everything is TRAIL ONLY use, motorized vehicle use is HIGHLY restricted here, about 85 % of all public land is CLOSED to it, and its tight here
YES IF you know farmers or have permission to ride on private property you can do as the land owner allows, BUT there are ZERO)feel free to prove me wrong be glad to know of some) places where its ope to play in
going of trail here will get you fined! (if caught)
OUR biggest riding are is the ANF( allegheny national forest, http://visitanf.com/winter-sports/) and its about 4 hrs and change from me
second largest trail system I know of, is, NEPASNOTRAILS< , a 100 % private trail system, that is ONLY allowed access to by paying members, and again NO off trail riding on it!(almost 2 hrs away from me)
( http://www.nepsnotrails.com/index.php )
and got to love the FACT< we have so much problems with NON paying and NON snowmobile use on the trails(which is also illegal, even the pictures on the MAIN page of the site show truck tracks and atv's track in there pictures LOL
laughing, but sadly??
PA is super strict on motorized vehicles, its SAD< we have the largest amount of public land on the east coast and its all pretty much closed to things, WILL admit more is open to snowmobiles, than ATV"S
but its still a very small percent of what we have, again MAYBE 20% of the 2 million plus acres is ride able IF snow is there
IT might also be why many folks here get there panties in a bunch a lot faster than you's that have SO much land to ride
when we have so little and Loose more each yrs its killing us!
MY local trails in say about 2001 had about 350+ miles of trails, and were down to about 225 right now, and loosing more every yr due to OFF trail use and pi$$ed off land owners
we recently installed a bridge on one p[roperty and lost that this winter due to ATVer's using it, and again its NOT leagal to ride atv's yr round?
but there doings ruined it on us
and yes 100% posted as NO trespassing ALL yr, signs about every 25 ft around the whole place
so NO excuse for NOT seeing signs
99% of all private land here is posted this way, roads gated.chained and ?? and about 3-4 different ATV roads created to get PAST the land owners gates, as fast as we install them, they make a new trail
you folks in MI, WI< and where atv's and snowmobile use is so easy, cannot imagine what we have here to deal with
LIKE I said, to be a snowmobiler here in PA< takes a LOT more desire than you guys need!
going on second yr in a row here NO rid-able snow on my local trails! and NO sign of them opening this yr!
closest snow to me this yr is a 12 hr drive one way!
and its not GREAT now either!, right now about 90% ice a ft thick on trails due to all the rains and warm up's?
everything is TRAIL ONLY use, motorized vehicle use is HIGHLY restricted here, about 85 % of all public land is CLOSED to it, and its tight here
YES IF you know farmers or have permission to ride on private property you can do as the land owner allows, BUT there are ZERO)feel free to prove me wrong be glad to know of some) places where its ope to play in
going of trail here will get you fined! (if caught)
OUR biggest riding are is the ANF( allegheny national forest, http://visitanf.com/winter-sports/) and its about 4 hrs and change from me
second largest trail system I know of, is, NEPASNOTRAILS< , a 100 % private trail system, that is ONLY allowed access to by paying members, and again NO off trail riding on it!(almost 2 hrs away from me)
( http://www.nepsnotrails.com/index.php )
and got to love the FACT< we have so much problems with NON paying and NON snowmobile use on the trails(which is also illegal, even the pictures on the MAIN page of the site show truck tracks and atv's track in there pictures LOL
laughing, but sadly??
PA is super strict on motorized vehicles, its SAD< we have the largest amount of public land on the east coast and its all pretty much closed to things, WILL admit more is open to snowmobiles, than ATV"S
but its still a very small percent of what we have, again MAYBE 20% of the 2 million plus acres is ride able IF snow is there
IT might also be why many folks here get there panties in a bunch a lot faster than you's that have SO much land to ride
when we have so little and Loose more each yrs its killing us!
MY local trails in say about 2001 had about 350+ miles of trails, and were down to about 225 right now, and loosing more every yr due to OFF trail use and pi$$ed off land owners
we recently installed a bridge on one p[roperty and lost that this winter due to ATVer's using it, and again its NOT leagal to ride atv's yr round?
but there doings ruined it on us
and yes 100% posted as NO trespassing ALL yr, signs about every 25 ft around the whole place
so NO excuse for NOT seeing signs
99% of all private land here is posted this way, roads gated.chained and ?? and about 3-4 different ATV roads created to get PAST the land owners gates, as fast as we install them, they make a new trail
you folks in MI, WI< and where atv's and snowmobile use is so easy, cannot imagine what we have here to deal with
LIKE I said, to be a snowmobiler here in PA< takes a LOT more desire than you guys need!
going on second yr in a row here NO rid-able snow on my local trails! and NO sign of them opening this yr!
closest snow to me this yr is a 12 hr drive one way!
and its not GREAT now either!, right now about 90% ice a ft thick on trails due to all the rains and warm up's?