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lenny

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All righty than, I had a huge bowl of Raisin Bran. You guys like Raisin Bran? Which do you prefer? Kelloggs or Post. I prefer kelloggs. I am not sure why but as a kid I always ate the Kelloggs. I tried a box of Post raisin bran recently and it's just not the same. When Diana and I married, I tried the Bran without the raisins and that was pretty good. These days I still prefer the raisins but why do the have to have 2 scoops. i think it just to many raisins. The raisins are heavier than the bran and many settle to the bottom of the box and when your box is getting low you get all these raisins, which I believe I already said is to many. I suppose there is no way to stop the settling of the raisins. I mean think about it, how could they do it. I personally like 1 or 2 raisins in each bite but near the bottom of the box it's like 4-5, now that's to many. It's way out of balance with that many raisins. If I were Kelloggs I would back off the raisins about 1/2 scoop, you could save 25% of your raisin spending would would be millions over time. I actually considered dumping the box out and separating the bran from the raisin and adjusting the balance myself because I am, serious about my raisin bran. I did actually stop eating it all together for about 1 year because of my frustration with the out of balance ratio of Raisins to bran. What is a guy to do about this. I am open to suggestions people. My love for Raisin bran was enough that I did come back but I must say reluctantly. Post is not an option so I am at a loss. Serious dilemmas require serious thought so as of now I am practicing segregation. I move the spoon around for each bite to receive 1-2 raisins. I than dump the contents of the box into the previous box and store upright till the next consumption. I have tried just to turn the box over but you gotta open both ends and that can be tricky in of itself. The last thing you want is lost cereal outside the bag. Please, if anyone has a solution for this important problem, let me know what you do. We need to unit and rectify the problem so our breakfast experience can be to our expectations. Nothing is worse than eating 8 raisins with 1-2 flakes of bran, makes me tummy turn just thinking about it.

What was I talking about earlier? OH YEA!!!!! the results of the light counting.
"Lenny ya big bozo"
When we returned late from the counting of lights we settled in back buy the fire ring. We were all there and as anxious as we had been the entire time. Linda told Darell we saw 2 white lights and he smiled, I than told Darell we saw 4 red lights and he was astonished. Our numbers did match up. We even conveyed that we saw a white and a red merge and both sides interpreted the same. We saw the big blast of Darell's 2 million candle power hand held and other viewers that we didn't know were like "wohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh", "did you see that"

There were 3 of us that preceded down the hill from the guardrail and crossed the creek. We could not view the light from down there. When we climbed up the opposite hill we stopped to grab a cup I had and I saw light from my finger tips. I saw it earlier but didn't say anything but near the end I told my son to look and he saw it. Probably was static energy. I tried to duplicate it back at the resort to no avail, they thought I was trying to spook them. The same night as I was coming back up to the guardrail, about half way from the creek to the guardrail I looked back to see the light and saw a wisp of light move to the right and up out of sight. My son Dan and his friend Chip saw the same exact thing. I do not have an explanation as to what that was. I know I joke around here on posts but i am not making this up and when 3 people see the same thing it verifies and add credibility to the story. I did tell the others and they had not much to say.

Conclusion: we do see car lights lights out there and that's provable but if i hadn't seen the wisp above the creek the myth would be busted wide open. 99.9% of the lights are cars, many like the ongoing suspense but that .01 present leave room for other explanations, what that may be, I do not know. I kinda wish I had not see the wisp because I like working for a logical explanation. Where do we go from here, it's out of my league boys. I swing a hammer for a living.

Well people, the sun has gone down here in da remote UP. Thanks for tuning in. This has been a special report from "Lenny" with Northwoods Adventures. Its been my pleasure, Lenny OUT!!!!!!!!
 
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polarisrider1

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All righty than, I had a huge bowl of Raisin Bran. You guys like Raisin Bran? Which do you prefer? Kelloggs or Post. I prefer kelloggs. I am not sure why but as a kid I always ate the Kelloggs. I tried a box of Post raisin bran recently and it's just not the same. When Diana and I married, I tried the Bran without the raisins and that was pretty good. These days I still prefer the raisins but why do the have to have 2 scoops. i think it just to many raisins. The raisins are heavier than the bran and many settle to the bottom of the box and when your box is getting low you get all these raisins, which I believe I already said is to many. I suppose there is no way to stop the settling of the raisins. I mean think about it, how could they do it. I personally like 1 or 2 raisins in each bite but near the bottom of the box it's like 4-5, now that's to many. It's way out of balance with that many raisins. If I were Kelloggs I would back off the raisins about 1/2 scoop, you could save 25% of your raisin spending would would be millions over time. I actually considered dumping the box out and separating the bran from the raisin and adjusting the balance myself because I am, serious about my raisin bran. I did actually stop eating it all together for about 1 year because of my frustration with the out of balance ratio of Raisins to bran. What is a guy to do about this. I am open to suggestions people. My love for Raisin bran was enough that I did come back but I must say reluctantly. Post is not an option so I am at a loss. Serious dilemmas require serious thought so as of now I am practicing segregation. I move the spoon around for each bite to receive 1-2 raisins. I than dump the contents of the box into the previous box and store upright till the next consumption. I have tried just to turn the box over but you gotta open both ends and that can be tricky in of itself. The last thing you want is lost cereal outside the bag. Please, if anyone has a solution for this important problem, let me know what you do. We need to unit and rectify the problem so our breakfast experience can be to our expectations. Nothing is worse than eating 8 raisins with 1-2 flakes of bran, makes me tummy turn just thinking about it.

What was I talking about earlier? OH YEA!!!!! the results of the light counting.
"Lenny ya big bozo"
When we returned late from the counting of lights we settled in back buy the fire ring. We were all there and as anxious as we had been the entire time. Linda told Darell we saw 2 white lights and he smiled, I than told Darell we saw 4 red lights and he was astonished. Our numbers did match up. We even conveyed that we saw a white and a red merge and both sides interpreted the same. We saw the big blast of Darell's 2 million candle power hand held and other viewers that we didn't know were like "wohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh", "did you see that"

There were 3 of us that preceded down the hill from the guardrail and crossed the creek. We could not view the light from down there. When we climbed up the opposite hill we stopped to grab a cup I had and I saw light from my finger tips. I saw it earlier but didn't say anything but near the end I told my son to look and he saw it. Probably was static energy. I tried to duplicate it back at the resort to no avail, they thought I was trying to spook them. The same night as I was coming back up to the guardrail, about half way from the creek to the guardrail I looked back to see the light and saw a wisp of light move to the right and up out of sight. My son Dan and his friend Chip saw the same exact thing. I do not have an explanation as to what that was. I know I joke around here on posts but i am not making this up and when 3 people see the same thing it verifies and add credibility to the story. I did tell the others and they had not much to say.

Conclusion: we do see car lights lights out there and that's provable but if i hadn't seen the wisp above the creek the myth would be busted wide open. 99.9% of the lights are cars, many like the ongoing suspense but that .01 present leave room for other explanations, what that may be, I do not know. I kinda wish I had not see the wisp because I like working for a logical explanation. Where do we go from here, it's out of my league boys. I swing a hammer for a living.

Well people, the sun has gone down here in da remote UP. Thanks for tuning in. This has been a special report from "Lenny" with Northwoods Adventures. Its been my pleasure, Lenny OUT!!!!!!!!

Thank you Lenny. p.s. I think post has more raisins. 2 scoops to be exact.
 
2 scoops of raisins in every box of kelloggs raisin bran ...From mystery lights to cereal ,,Man this is sad....lol Hey lenny we need to find a way to keep the raisins from falling to the bottom of the box
 

peppermill

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Lenny maybe on our next venture we could try and work on the raisin thing for you. We did such a good job on the Paulding Light adventure maybe we can work on something to solve your raisin problem. Thanks for the report Lenny. We all had a great time.
 

AnnaWL

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Omg what a great time this weekend at the Running Bear! It really does feel like we all have been friends forever! Right from the start after Anna and myself arrived after our 530 mile drive I felt right at home. I found it easy to be myself within minutes of meeting everyone. All of you are truly great people. Anna and I have already found property in the area since we have been home. We only got home at 9 pm.

Running Bear...thank you for answering all my questions and showing me the area in such little time. The cabin was home. The area to us is home. We are working on come home. Never went fishing but thank you for all the fishing tips.

MRB....I felt so comfortable instantly that I let my guard down. I thought I had caught you in a couple of lies and you just lied your way right out of them. Ha Ha! Wow! Wow! Wow! It is really hard to take in what a wonderful weekend it was. Thank you so much. This is what life is all about! Great drive home and quality time spent with Anna. :) She slept for 9 hours. Just kidding...she drove also.

Lenny...I enjoyed the theories and your commitment to solving the paulding light mystery. If I had not had such a good time with everyone else I would have pursued the mystery myself! I was a fish out of water in uncharted areas. Never been in the area before. If I had been a "meddling kid" I might have figured it out myself! Okay, maybe I could have helped. Okay, I could have be your chauffeur. Great time!

Peppermill...I am not sure on your quote last night that you have shot over 100 deer. Oh yea those were Wisconsin deer! They are a little slow in cheese land just like the locals! Just kidding! What a great time.

Mr. AnnaWL
 

frnash

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Will-o'-the-wisp?

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Origin
The oxidation of phosphine and methane, produced by organic decay, can cause glowing light. Since phosphine spontaneously ignites on contact with the oxygen in air, only small quantities of it would be needed to ignite the much more abundant methane to create ephemeral fires. The Italian chemists Luigi Garlaschelli and Paolo Boschetti have replicated the lights by adding some chemicals to gases from rotting compounds. They argue that the combustion can be sustained at lower temperatures than those found in traditional fires. Taken together, these findings seem to explain two of the more puzzling aspects of the Will o'the wisp, its spontaneous, transient nature and low temperature "flame" that doesn't seem to burn items close by.

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In 1993 professors Derr and Persinger proposed that the lights are piezoelectrically generated under a tectonic strain. The strains that move faults would also heat up the rocks, vaporizing the water in them. Rock or soil containing something piezoelectric, like quartz, silicon or arsenic, may also produce electricity, channeled up to the surface through the soil via a column of vaporised water, there somehow appearing as earth lights. This would explain why the lights appear electrical, erratic, or even intelligent in their behavior.

Others explanations link will-o'-the-wisps to bioluminescence (e.g. honey fungus). Barn owls also have luminescent plumage with a high albedo that can reflect enough light from sources such as the moon to appear as a will-o'-the-wisp. Hence the possibility of the lights moving, reacting to other lights, etc.
 
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Basically they saw the same thing as far as color but they did see the red coming towards them and "dancing" around somewhat. My son Dan also saw some erratic movement of the red light.

and I saw light from my finger tips. I saw it earlier but didn't say anything but near the end I told my son to look and he saw it. Probably was static energy. I tried to duplicate it back at the resort to no avail

The same night as I was coming back up to the guardrail, about half way from the creek to the guardrail I looked back to see the light and saw a wisp of light move to the right and up out of sight. My son Dan and his friend Chip saw the same exact thing. I do not have an explanation as to what that was. I know I joke around here on posts but i am not making this up and when 3 people see the same thing it verifies and add credibility to the story


nice report LENNY....now from the 3 things you said...RED DANCING AROUND SOMEWHAT.....LIGHT FROM FINGER TIP....STATIC ELECTRICITY....WISP OF LIGHT MOVE.....starting to sound like descriptions of an AURORA BOREALIS if i dont say so myself....and the electricity on you finger IS STATIC from you being centered in the MAGNETIC LEYLINE of the earths field....only you dont need to rub your feet....now you see why the indians considered that place magical....same thing was happeneing to them 1000's of years ago as well...WHITE color is the most common color you will see because you are viewing the VERY BOTTOM of the AURORA where it starts....then it fans out and dances around and changes colors as it wisps away into the distance....but from that sweet spot on those hills you can view straight into leading edge of the SOLAR WINDS from a CORONAL MASS EJECTION of radioactive particles and electrons from the sun....freakin cool.....how the **** do i collect the prize monies????????
 

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mrsrunningbear

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I have a album in my profile with pictures from the weekend to share with everyone! And after a good night sleep I now can collect my thoughts.....but I have to say....its all been said quite well......but I do have more to say so I'll collect my thoughts....and post later.....:)
 

matti

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Everyone, thanks for the reports. msrunningbear, thanks for the pics, too. It seems like everyone had a great time; I enjoyed reading about the adventures. Any more thoughts/reports on what you saw would be great. Thanks!
 

jr37

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Thanks for all the info and pictures. Looks like it was a good time, and good weather. Maybe we'll be able to make it next year if this becomes an annual event.
 

mrsrunningbear

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Well here’s part of my recap: Have to say Lenny laid it out there in good detail and is right on with what went on. I think our experiments were well thought out and made good sense. Our viewing Friday night was with lots of other people and they had lots of stories, so the viewing sparked lots of discussion, especially with what Lenny, Dan and Chip saw when down in the ravine by the creek. So when we got back the discussion started by the campfire was it headlights, was it something else, what experiments should we do, and frnash and Professer PC I brought both your names up a lot and we used a lot of information from here…:)….we all got so involved that when it was to cold by the fire we couldn’t stop the discussion…lol so we moved into the cabin we set up for a mess hall (have a picture in the album) and before we knew it was12ish and AnnaWL and Mr AnnaWL showed up. Their original plan was to go see the light that night, but tired from the long drive and said they would wait till tomorrow to see the light, but we were all still in heavy discussion about our viewing that night and plan for the next day, that in about 15 minutes they announced they were going down to the light…lol…its contagious..:D…..so now we all wait eagerly to here what they had to say, they had never seen it before (I was struggling a little bit with the fact they had never seen it before and maybe they should see it a couple of times before the experiment, but they did know what they came for so….:eek: ) the excitement when they came back was so cool, (I love the light) and its so interesting how everyone’s first time seeing the light is so different, so needless to say it sparked Lenny and I and his son Dan and his friend Chip to go back down for 1 more look, thought we’d be the only ones cause its now 2:00am…wrong a group of people were there with a big laser beam light, shoot it was so strong it looked like it could touch the mystery light, Dan even thought at one point the laser light touched the light and made it move, Lenny and I didn’t see that so we thought maybe it was time to leave the mystery light for the night. Now 3 am lots of thoughts and plans amazing what the light does and now time to sleep, yeah right!

And Mr AnnWL (new friend I think ;)…lol) no lies, not a liar and I think everyone on here will vogue for me and when I say I am a believer of the light and never thought one time it could be headlights for what about 300 posts or something like that......:D....PS friends for life!

Ok now Bear wants to jump in

Lenny, Running Bear here…..about da cereal. When ya go to da store buy a box of da raisin bran and a box of da bran flakes….then when da raisin bran is about empty and ya down to just da raisins dump it in da bran flakes box and it’ll balance out fer ya. Maybe it should be frosted flakes instead of them there bran flakes…..Bears like sweet stuff…lol

I think your both are a little weird about da cereal!

Ok I type with 4 fingers so I’m still working on it….it was such a great time, so I hope ya all can stand my lengthy posts but I just want to share all the details….. day 2 still to come
 

Cat Woman

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Has anyone else seen any strange light occurrences in the Western UP other than the Paulding area? We have! My wife and I and 2 buddies did one night just outside of the Bergland area back in the early 90's. I don't remember exactly which trail it was, but maybe 102 or the old 13 that was rerouted from the current 13 between Bergland and the Rockland area, but I know it wasn't near the Paulding area. When at the time it happened, I remember thinking that we were about 60 miles North of Watersmeet. That was when one of the resort owners in the Bergland area had been telling us about the strange lights coming down the trail in the Watersmeet area, and that you guys should go see them. Well none of us believed him and we just blew it off, well the next night we were out late and stopped on the side of the trail because we had caught up to the groomer (20+ years ago and were letting the ribbon freeze up) talking about how dark it was etc and my wife says she had to go to bathroom, well just go right here I said it's dark enough. It was one of those nights when you can't see your hand in front of your face. She then walked maybe 20-30' away and went, then while getting her bibs up and jacket on she says what are these lights? Just then I thought static electricity from putting her clothes back on and I walked over to look and there were half dollar sized lights on her chest area in white and dim red colors. I was shocked and called my 2 buddies over to look at them, and one in a scarred voice said let's get out of here and we all took off. There were about 4-6 lights on her not moving, and I was in front of her and it wasn't being blocked by me as if it was coming from the groomer lights which by then was actually out of sight even the lights from it. I still remember it like it was last weekend because it was unexplained and thought it might be something related to the Paulding light issue, but then again we were about 60 miles from that area. Another magnetic field or what? I have always wanted to go to Paulding area to see the lights and see if it was similar to what we had experienced, but the last time we went thought the Paulding area it was -20 and we didn't want to stop and look even if there was flashing red/blue lights behind us. I have seen the videos of the Paulding and it's not the same, but every time this tread is brought up I think of the lights we had seen and wonder if there related or if anyone else has seen anything like that in the surrounding area or anywhere?

So Lenny, something like what biz and his wife experienced?
 

thunderstruck88

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:( here not a word on BIGFOOT I hope his light has not faded I am worried about him:rolleyes: May have to send out a rescue squad and call 911 I have beeen blinded by BIGFOOTS light :D and may his Light shine on all of you LIGHTS CAMERA ACTION THINK SNOW and ROck and ROLL ;)
 

mrsrunningbear

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Saturday a ton of fun…..unbelievable can’t even describe it, pictures can’t show it, what a group. 4 wheeling and waterfalls rocked…soooo much fun…oh except for my new to me used 4 wheeler that had to be towed back…thanks Darrell…..well after couple cold ones and we said let the games begin! I started by printing the leylines stuff from PC because of what happened to lenny, dan and chip Friday night….then came back in and printed the chart from frnash….(pretty darn good chart) so we were sure on our spots for timing the lights and cars. The plan as lenny described for Saturday was really pretty neat and I do have to say it did provide some facts for all of us that did the actual experiment. I stood at the viewing point with bi-nocs and counted the lights and Bear was at the sweet spot doing the same yes they did match up. So headlights are definitely seen….Oh yeah almost forgot didn’t tell anyone till now…BUT…I got a kiss on the cheek from BIG FOOT who snuck up on me when I was waiting in the car on the dark road when the guys were on the other side of the creek……;)..... but now what about this

"There were 3 of us that preceded down the hill from the guardrail and crossed the creek. We could not view the light from down there. When we climbed up the opposite hill we stopped to grab a cup I had and I saw light from my finger tips. I saw it earlier but didn't say anything but near the end I told my son to look and he saw it. Probably was static energy. I tried to duplicate it back at the resort to no avail, they thought I was trying to spook them. The same night as I was coming back up to the guardrail, about half way from the creek to the guardrail I looked back to see the light and saw a wisp of light move to the right and up out of sight. My son Dan and his friend Chip saw the same exact thing. I do not have an explanation as to what that was. I know I joke around here on posts but i am not making this up and when 3 people see the same thing it verifies and add credibility to the story. I did tell the others and they had not much to say. "

wish I was with and saw it for myself….Hmmm now who’s being the skeptic yup that’s right its me….was Lenny taking one for the team, for Paulding, for all of us light believers….let the light live on????? I don’t know? Says no joking and all three say they did see this…posted it on here….I have always believed the leylines theory…and now Cat Woman brought this up…I forgot about this….interesting.

Well we want to make it official!

Lenny gets the prize…he and a gaggle of friends are in for a great day of riding in Paulding!

And to make it even better "the Light" Lives on!

Thanks to everyone who came....one of the best weekends ever!

And looking forward to the 2nd Annual Mystery Light Weekend we just gotta do it again!
Date to be announced, maybe a warmer month too...6 cabins and 4 RV Lots of room for JD friends!
 
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lenny

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So Lenny, something like what biz and his wife experienced?

No, not at all, this was more of a fog style light. It lit up an area about 50 ft wide by 25 ft high and within 1 second and veered to the right and up, just gone than. There was no fog that we saw, I suppose there could have been some right above the creek and the wind blew it over and up but I did have lights with me and had shinned them around looking around and never saw a hint of fog so I kinda rule that out.

The finder tip light was very faint but enough that all 3 could see it. I even kept doing it over and over and at numerous times all 3 of us saw it. I have no problem accepting static on this one. i don't think it was anything unusual. At first I did because I didn't think plastic could allow the static to light but Anna's husband Brian works with a race car team and explained the strong possibilities of static energy on plastic cans so I will take that as a educated answer, no by me either but someone who experiences it.

The red dancing around I have difficulty accepting because I didn't see it. Myself Dan(son) and Chip were viewing the light together and Dan saw it and not either of us. I had my glasses on and with glasses on my vision is very good. Dan does have glasses but was not wearing them at the time so I say he was just thinking he was seeing them. When you focus strongly on something and blink your eyes there is that split second of movement. I personally think that was what Anna and Brian saw, mainly because it was very late, they just drove over 500 miles and am sure were very tired but for both of them to claim the same kinda is a good refute to my logic of tired eyes, I just don't know for sure. maybe Anna and Brian can elaborate a bit on that one. The "wisp" is the thing I cannot explain. I will add that the red and white lights that everybody sees on a regular basis is for sure 100% car lights, regardless of what the possibility of them moving because they are always in the exact same spot, before it's dark you can see the lights. it just all adds up. I'll bet anyone on this. the red and white is a busted myth. I am a strong sceptic by personality and will not fabricate a lie to keep the light alive. I did in fact see just what I described and 2 others seen it as well. Everybody looks up to the road and sees car lights but most never go down the trail to the bottom by the creek and look around. I say next season we do that because I am 20% vulcan and logic rules, just kidding of course. Maybe we've been missing the real phenomenon all along and got side tracked by the cars, it is a very strong possibility. I mean look at it this way, when Myself, Dan and chip returned to camp I told everybody about the static on my fingers. They looked kinda suspicions at me think I was making up stuff so I said I'll prove it! We went out side and I tried and tried to replicate the small little flashes of whitish blue faint flashes. I couldn't do it. It would only happen at the site and we never ran down the trail to the creek again to try it. i do believe there may be something unusual to that particular spot, maybe the power lines, whatever PC was referring to (leylines.) I am a sceptic to the leyline thingy but it has sparked my interest. I gotta say the area did provide the conditions for the static on the cups. I go by logic alone because I don't have an education on this stuff
 
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nic

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I LOVE the reports! And Lenny, I really love that you may be coming around to the possibility of a 'mystery' =) Sounds like you guys had a great time. This thread has been a blast to follow. I have just one last question- for those of you that saw the light, you all agree that you can in fact see the road, and it sounds like your light sightings matched up w/ the car counting by group #2 yes? That being said, did it resemble anything like car lights? I ask b/c what we saw didn't seem like car lights at all. I realize from a distance, that it's possible the lights don't resemble cars, but could very well be. But it just seemed to be a light- sometimes bright for awhile, other times brighten up then fade quickly. If it's one stretch of road- wouldn't the 'flash' or bright/dim be pretty consistent? I realize not everyone is going the same exact speed, but it would be pretty darn close. That's one of the reasons I doubted the headlights.
Either way- so glad you all had such a great time. Bears- next time I'm up snowmobiling, maybe we can meet up for an impromptu viewing. So fun!!
 
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lenny

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I LOVE the reports! And Lenny, I really love that you may be coming around to the possibility of a 'mystery' =) Sounds like you guys had a great time. This thread has been a blast to follow. I have just one last question- for those of you that saw the light, you all agree that you can in fact see the road, and it sounds like your light sightings matched up w/ the car counting by group #2 yes? That being said, did it resemble anything like car lights? I ask b/c what we saw didn't seem like car lights at all. I realize from a distance, that it's possible the lights don't resemble cars, but could very well be. But it just seemed to be a light- sometimes bright for awhile, other times brighten up then fade quickly. If it's one stretch of road- wouldn't the 'flash' or bright/dim be pretty consistent? I realize not everyone is going the same exact speed, but it would be pretty darn close. That's one of the reasons I doubted the headlights.
Either way- so glad you all had such a great time. Bears- next time I'm up snowmobiling, maybe we can meet up for an impromptu viewing. So fun!!

The white is much brighter than the red so the red basically stays the same becasue it is much weaker. Now the white does change, sometimes has a halo around it, becomes large, intensifies and diminishes. it does change. My answer for that is different vehicles, the plane the light is emitted. My father in law has a Benz that has incredible headlight, id love to see that on this stretch. Typically we see the lights for 1min, 20sec, so you can see how the light would change as it comes down the road in elevation and pitch, slight correction in steering would change it also. When Darell hit the bright hand held it was quite different in size but similar in color. I have seen one white light brighter than the portable but with today's aftermarket headlight bulbs, I can understand the variation. Hope this helps
 
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