I'm curious why so many are under the impression that adding extra oil is going to prolong the Poo engine life? I haven't done a lot of reading on the Poo engines, but from what I understand, the most common problem is sloppy piston tolerance. The pistons are slapping and breaking the skirts off. How is adding extra oil going to have any effect on this? If the problems could be attributed to lack of oil, wouldn't there be more problems with intake side seizure versus broken skirts? I could also see the lean oil mixtures leading to crank bearing problems if they are not sealed bearings, but that doesn't seem to be the case either.
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you know,,, that makes a lot of sense and I totally agree with you. That is why I struggle with the decision,,,because I like to wrench and learn my machine. I really would love to ride them side by side. Many people swear by the pro and rightfully so, there not just making it up!
My good buddy Bob Byrn explained this same thing to me and that is exactly how he see's it, and exactly what he has done. I've always been a glutton for punishment when riding sleds. I have never owned a seriously capable sled and kill myself yanking these beasts around. It really is a challenge and I kinda like it but not sure why. I love to take a 12 year old chassis yammi and take it where most people cannot go. Part of me want's to extend my 141 Mtn Max to 162, parts are available and not as costly as one would think. If I were loose my air box I could straighten up my steering post to a much better angle but the real problem is that it's mass of weight sits too low in the chassis and the front sus is too low,,and that is a lot to overcome and why?
I should just get a M or a pro and be done with it, but I love have something no one else around me has!
How come the aftermarket can come up with decent pistons, but Poo can't? I'm being serious...is it because Poo's hands are tied by the EPA regs, and the aftermarket isn't (not sure how that would impact this)? Is it a supplier issue? I can't imagine they don't have the engineering know-how, but an aftermarket company does.
$$$. Save a buck on 100 pistons. replace 30 of them under warranty. You made 70 bucks. Now add a whole bunch of zeros to those figures. That's how the game is played.
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Lenny, I do not have enough technical riding time on either John's, nor Scotts proclimbs to give you a true honest answer about how they compare to the Pro RMK. BUT, when I first got on the Proclimb, within minutes I was comfortable on them, it is hard to ask someone who has a brand new sled, if you can take it into the toolies, and ride it like it is your own machine. LOL.
Snoluver1, the Pro RMK's seem to come mighty lean from the factory as far as oil ratios. One guy on Snowest calculated his out to be 76.1 from the factory. They have to meet epa regulations, and this is one way to do it. I never did calculate mine, because I turned the oil pump up right away.
To alot of people, spending 400 bucks for replacement pistons on a brand new sled is dumb, I understand that, but, I like to wrench, so it does not bother me to do it. My 05 Renegade 600 SDI got new pistons and rings after the first season I had that, so did my brothers 04 600 SDI, and the next season, and the next season LOL.
As far as boondocking/climbing/playing in the U.P., we are no where near as hard on the motors compared to the guys out west, we just don't have the loooooong hills to do it on. When doing techinical riding up there, you are on and off the throttle a lot, nobody goes sidehilling through the trees with it pinned, unless they like to replace a-arms lol.
Snoluver1, yes, the widow maker is good chit!
Snoluver1, the Pro RMK's seem to come mighty lean from the factory as far as oil ratios. One guy on Snowest calculated his out to be 76.1 from the factory. They have to meet epa regulations, and this is one way to do it. I never did calculate mine, because I turned the oil pump up right away.
To alot of people, spending 400 bucks for replacement pistons on a brand new sled is dumb, I understand that, but, I like to wrench, so it does not bother me to do it. My 05 Renegade 600 SDI got new pistons and rings after the first season I had that, so did my brothers 04 600 SDI, and the next season, and the next season LOL.
As far as boondocking/climbing/playing in the U.P., we are no where near as hard on the motors compared to the guys out west, we just don't have the loooooong hills to do it on. When doing techinical riding up there, you are on and off the throttle a lot, nobody goes sidehilling through the trees with it pinned, unless they like to replace a-arms lol.
Snoluver1, yes, the widow maker is good chit!
Lenny,
I have not had any real saddle time in the Pro chassis Polaris, so cannot make a comparison, but can say that if you have the 38" stance (stock on 2013's) on the ProClimb chassis, it will roll over with about the same effort as the old M chassis did. Go to a 39 (stock on the 2012's) and there is enough of a difference. The HCR's have a 43" stance and it is a real chore to toss around.
If I were you and you want to seriously look into Cat, then get any M8 from just about any year and you will love them, but the last year they made them, 2011 was the year they really seemed to have them dialed in perfectly. Or, get either a 2012 or 2013 ProClimb and either have Kip order you up the front end for the 38" stance if you get a '12 (can use existing shocks), or you will have the 38" stance with the 2013. Also look seriously at any High Country in the Crossfire edition. It is a 141" track, but with 2.25" lugs and the Proclimb chassis. You will then need to put the shorter front end suspension in that as they are 43" like the HCR. I loved the high country crossfire with the narrow front end stance. Perfect UP bookdocking sled in my opinion.
-John
I have not had any real saddle time in the Pro chassis Polaris, so cannot make a comparison, but can say that if you have the 38" stance (stock on 2013's) on the ProClimb chassis, it will roll over with about the same effort as the old M chassis did. Go to a 39 (stock on the 2012's) and there is enough of a difference. The HCR's have a 43" stance and it is a real chore to toss around.
If I were you and you want to seriously look into Cat, then get any M8 from just about any year and you will love them, but the last year they made them, 2011 was the year they really seemed to have them dialed in perfectly. Or, get either a 2012 or 2013 ProClimb and either have Kip order you up the front end for the 38" stance if you get a '12 (can use existing shocks), or you will have the 38" stance with the 2013. Also look seriously at any High Country in the Crossfire edition. It is a 141" track, but with 2.25" lugs and the Proclimb chassis. You will then need to put the shorter front end suspension in that as they are 43" like the HCR. I loved the high country crossfire with the narrow front end stance. Perfect UP bookdocking sled in my opinion.
-John
I don't know anything a bought the 800 Poo. The black widow is a whole different story. It goes great with sea food,red meat,burnt meat,and no food.It seems to taste the best during low snow conditions.I feel it goes great with blown motors. It faired well after a resent tech vest testing ,sled flipping miss hap.
polarisrider1
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I'll have what your drinking.
LMFAO, agreed!!
polarisrider1
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is this about the video???
polarisrider1
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okay, cuze the only widow maker I know guys like Olaf and I would sit and stare at it and wonder how far up it goes beyond those clouds!
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polarisrider1
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Last trip out to Lava mtn. the Poo 800 Rmk Pro only used 3 quarts of oil for 5 days of riding. Smurfrider went thru 2 1/2 gallons with his Doo 800R, We rode about the same. I truly suspect my sled is way lean, but it has not melted down. 2600 miles or so and not a blip.
Note: If I encounter any issues with the Poo 800, I will let all you know ASAP. This topic is so yesterday, but still funny since the Poo guys are not the ones dissing the product. Poo envy guys who have lost there way with Lime green and road construction orange only seem to be concerned. They are a younger crowd with what seems as less knowledge and more attitude. So all this has little weight to anything, but it does take from the credibility of the site.
Note: If I encounter any issues with the Poo 800, I will let all you know ASAP. This topic is so yesterday, but still funny since the Poo guys are not the ones dissing the product. Poo envy guys who have lost there way with Lime green and road construction orange only seem to be concerned. They are a younger crowd with what seems as less knowledge and more attitude. So all this has little weight to anything, but it does take from the credibility of the site.
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I thought Poo's problem was he got his head stuck in the honey jar!
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Good God, Indy! The snow hasn't even melted in the UP yet and you got your's ripped to shreds
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admitting a problem is the first step to recovery, come on buddy, you can do it. Bring that poo up on a weekend and I bet money I can blow it up without trying.
Fellas,
I have always been a polaris guy. I now have a 2012 switchback assault. I have never ridden a snowmobile like that thing. it handles on the trail better than any snowmobile i have ever ridden. My cousin has a 2012 600 121'' ski-doo, and the assault is way, way more stable. the front end of the ski-doos dart and are tippy. I really don't need to tell you how this thing does off trail, ya'll know.
As far as the engine problem. I know a polaris engineer very well. Believe when I say I have first hand knowledge.
Polaris' 800 engine problem is obviously very well known to them. The engine's with the piston skirt problems are '10-'12. the '13 engine is fixed so no need to worry if you have a '13 (as far as piston skirts). the reason it took 3 model years was that these engines aren't usually blowing until after 2000 miles. in fact, if you have one with over 2000 miles, the skirt is most likely already fatigued, and it may be too late to make engine mods. you are best off trading/selling.
from my engineer. let the sled warm up to at very minimum 100 F, ideally 120 F. Start the sled, go in inside have a drink. This means, do not touch the throttle. oil in the gas tank and turning up the oil pump does nothing for this problem. They are aware of the problem and will honor extended warranties no problem (from what i was told). if there is a known problem, they won't fight it.
My 2012 was a holdover so the 4 year warranty is still available on it. i am buying it and then riding with no worries.
there are 6 of us that i ride with that have engines in that '10-12 800 time period. 1 of them blew at 594 miles, skirt busted and wrecked the whole motor. the other ones are running strong.
polaris1. should i buy the polaris extended warranty through the dealer in greenville or grand rapids? who has better service and most willing to go to bat for the customer?
thanks
I have always been a polaris guy. I now have a 2012 switchback assault. I have never ridden a snowmobile like that thing. it handles on the trail better than any snowmobile i have ever ridden. My cousin has a 2012 600 121'' ski-doo, and the assault is way, way more stable. the front end of the ski-doos dart and are tippy. I really don't need to tell you how this thing does off trail, ya'll know.
As far as the engine problem. I know a polaris engineer very well. Believe when I say I have first hand knowledge.
Polaris' 800 engine problem is obviously very well known to them. The engine's with the piston skirt problems are '10-'12. the '13 engine is fixed so no need to worry if you have a '13 (as far as piston skirts). the reason it took 3 model years was that these engines aren't usually blowing until after 2000 miles. in fact, if you have one with over 2000 miles, the skirt is most likely already fatigued, and it may be too late to make engine mods. you are best off trading/selling.
from my engineer. let the sled warm up to at very minimum 100 F, ideally 120 F. Start the sled, go in inside have a drink. This means, do not touch the throttle. oil in the gas tank and turning up the oil pump does nothing for this problem. They are aware of the problem and will honor extended warranties no problem (from what i was told). if there is a known problem, they won't fight it.
My 2012 was a holdover so the 4 year warranty is still available on it. i am buying it and then riding with no worries.
there are 6 of us that i ride with that have engines in that '10-12 800 time period. 1 of them blew at 594 miles, skirt busted and wrecked the whole motor. the other ones are running strong.
polaris1. should i buy the polaris extended warranty through the dealer in greenville or grand rapids? who has better service and most willing to go to bat for the customer?
thanks
polarisrider1
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Nelsons, hands down.
less knowledge LMFAO
now I am going to take my ball and go home