Poos Problems

polarisrider1

New member
admitting a problem is the first step to recovery, come on buddy, you can do it. Bring that poo up on a weekend and I bet money I can blow it up without trying. :p

And I bet I can bury your yammahaha so that even the bestest of yooper tote and tuggers will leave it till spring. I am talking normal wail on it use, not hold it wide open for an hour or two on a stand until it over heats, No problem, I understand you envy :)
 

ezra

Well-known member
And I bet I can bury your yammahaha so that even the bestest of yooper tote and tuggers will leave it till spring. I am talking normal wail on it use, not hold it wide open for an hour or two on a stand until it over heats, No problem, I understand you envy :)
think u me and the other young less knowledgeable breeze need to hook up out west so u can see what envy really looks like
 

indy_500

Well-known member
Good God, Indy! The snow hasn't even melted in the UP yet and you got your's ripped to shreds

Got to get all the front a arms and rear suspension parts sandblasted and painted. That alone is a week long project LOL My parents gave me a deadline June 30. I think I need to build my own garage! I'll wait until fall to do clutches and carbs but everything else has to be cleaned and polished. I'm polishing the rails this year, they will look like chrome! Can't wait to mount up the new track and springs. It should be a blast, it already lost like 20 lbs from the exhaust and seat! Needs a darn nosecone, whoever designed this POS bumper/nosecone ought to be fired, every screwhole is stripped/cracked so the bumper won't hold down and neither will the hood. I think for next year I need to make a sticker for down by the hood "dont touch the effin bumper!" haha
 
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Deleted member 10829

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$$$. Save a buck on 100 pistons. replace 30 of them under warranty. You made 70 bucks. Now add a whole bunch of zeros to those figures. That's how the game is played.

Do you really believe that? That would be so short sighted of a company to do. You may make 70 bucks but lose $1,000+ for a lost future sale. I can't imagine any executive worth anything that would think like that. If they did, Polaris would not be the company they currently are. Plus, does your math really add up? If you save $1 on a 100 pistons, that's $100. If you replace 30 and still make $70, that means the 30 you replaced only cost you $30 total, or $1 per piston including labor. Doesn't add up.

Call Indy Dan and ask him about adding oil to these new engines. I think he has a pretty good reputation!
 

ezra

Well-known member
Been there done that, had a good laugh. Please don't take the ball! lol
u hooked up with the less knowledgeable breeze. was the laughing at how slow u felt or how much higher he went or just the pure joy of watching a old school M pushing c112 through the hamster wheel going straight up.
my ball is at home and staying there.
my only concern with the pro 800 is the 2 I ride with.
being only 2 in the crew who can actually spin a wrench and look like we know what we is doing we do all the fixing.
so far so good with the pros I got to say was never more happy to see anything go more than there 10 800s. why is it the guys in my crew who don't know what the numbers on a spark plug mean buy the 800 liberty ? then stand there in the woods asking what a voltage regulator is for and cant u just take it out? or why would I put pistons in it it only had 2100mi my truck has over 100k and still has the same pistons. yes we had that talk.

any one know are the turbo guys doing the LA sleeve thing to make the skirt last? I was just thinking prob not a bad move already dropping 6k what is 1k more for no worries.
 

srt20

Active member
How come the aftermarket can come up with decent pistons, but Poo can't? I'm being serious...is it because Poo's hands are tied by the EPA regs, and the aftermarket isn't (not sure how that would impact this)? Is it a supplier issue? I can't imagine they don't have the engineering know-how, but an aftermarket company does.

The following is my opinion, though I feel pretty strongly about it.

Poo is using cast pistons. They are cheaply made. The reason for cast pistons, besides the low cost, is to many people cold seized engines in the 90s and 2000s. Cast pistons don't expand fast like a forged piston will. Cast pistons are brittle and break. Now poo has to meet EPA regs. so IMO inside of using direct injection, they continue to use CFI. In order to help meet the EPA, they have IMO fairly loose piston to wall tolerances. Thus, allowing more oil, which they leaned way out to meet EPA, to get on the cylinder wall/piston. Now add that loose tolerance with pistons that are built so cheap that they are sometimes out of tolerance right from the factory and you have one big slop hole. The injector location isn't helping anything either. So anyway, now you have a piston that is rocking in the hole, the skirt of the piston is collapsing and making it more and more sloppy. So the end result is either a broken piston skirt, or a broken cylinder skirt. Guess what, polaris slightly thickened the cylinder skirting for 2013. My guess is there might be some piston skirt issues in a few years. Though I believe they thickened the piston skirts a couple of years ago.

Lots of people don't like using forged pistons because if you don't warm it up good you will stick a piston. I am a believer in proper warm up but I don't for minute think it is why Polaris engines are breaking skirts.
RKT has Wossner build his pistons to his specs. Apparently only he can get these pistons. From what I understand, the make up of the pistons is such that it is a forged piston with properties that make it expand slower than normal forged pistons. But he will still point out that proper warm up is a must. Also his pistons are much lighter than stock pistons and the are the same weight as each other. Again stock cast pistons are not always ( or maybe ever) the same weight. The Polaris 800 also vibrates much less with his pistons.

Now I don't want to sound like I am pushing RKT stuff. But I think he has it figured out. Though other companies have made the Polaris 800 more reliable than stock as well. Indy Dan and MTNTECH are 2 others off the top of my head. And both have pretty stellar reputations as well.

As far as the manufacturers engineers, I'm not to impressed with them, though I'm sure a lot of it has to do with having their hands tied by the bean counters. If they wanted to make reliable engines I think they could. Any brand. Though I would expect prices to rise by a bunch.
 

srt20

Active member
Fellas,

I have always been a polaris guy. I now have a 2012 switchback assault. I have never ridden a snowmobile like that thing. it handles on the trail better than any snowmobile i have ever ridden. My cousin has a 2012 600 121'' ski-doo, and the assault is way, way more stable. the front end of the ski-doos dart and are tippy. I really don't need to tell you how this thing does off trail, ya'll know.

As far as the engine problem. I know a polaris engineer very well. Believe when I say I have first hand knowledge.

Polaris' 800 engine problem is obviously very well known to them. The engine's with the piston skirt problems are '10-'12. the '13 engine is fixed so no need to worry if you have a '13 (as far as piston skirts). the reason it took 3 model years was that these engines aren't usually blowing until after 2000 miles. in fact, if you have one with over 2000 miles, the skirt is most likely already fatigued, and it may be too late to make engine mods. you are best off trading/selling.

from my engineer. let the sled warm up to at very minimum 100 F, ideally 120 F. Start the sled, go in inside have a drink. This means, do not touch the throttle. oil in the gas tank and turning up the oil pump does nothing for this problem. They are aware of the problem and will honor extended warranties no problem (from what i was told). if there is a known problem, they won't fight it.

My 2012 was a holdover so the 4 year warranty is still available on it. i am buying it and then riding with no worries.

there are 6 of us that i ride with that have engines in that '10-12 800 time period. 1 of them blew at 594 miles, skirt busted and wrecked the whole motor. the other ones are running strong.

polaris1. should i buy the polaris extended warranty through the dealer in greenville or grand rapids? who has better service and most willing to go to bat for the customer?

thanks

Warming them up doesn't stop skirts from breaking. Read my previous post.
 

srt20

Active member
Do you really believe that? That would be so short sighted of a company to do. You may make 70 bucks but lose $1,000+ for a lost future sale. I can't imagine any executive worth anything that would think like that. If they did, Polaris would not be the company they currently are. Plus, does your math really add up? If you save $1 on a 100 pistons, that's $100. If you replace 30 and still make $70, that means the 30 you replaced only cost you $30 total, or $1 per piston including labor. Doesn't add up.

Call Indy Dan and ask him about adding oil to these new engines. I think he has a pretty good reputation!
People still buy junk from Walmart even though it is Chinese garbage.......makes ya wonder....
 

snoluver1

Active member
Do you really believe that? That would be so short sighted of a company to do. You may make 70 bucks but lose $1,000+ for a lost future sale. I can't imagine any executive worth anything that would think like that. If they did, Polaris would not be the company they currently are. Plus, does your math really add up? If you save $1 on a 100 pistons, that's $100. If you replace 30 and still make $70, that means the 30 you replaced only cost you $30 total, or $1 per piston including labor. Doesn't add up.

Call Indy Dan and ask him about adding oil to these new engines. I think he has a pretty good reputation!


Not only do I believe that, I believe it whole heartily!

The math was not meant to be literal. Obviously there are many variables involved.

EVERY corporation needs to find ways to stay competitive in the market place. Reducing production costs any way they can, is how they do it. I don't care if your making snowmobiles or making bread. If Polaris or ANY other manufacturer built a product to the absolute highest standard they "COULD", You and I would never be able to afford it.
 
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lenny

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And I bet I can bury your yammahaha so that even the bestest of yooper tote and tuggers will leave it till spring. I am talking normal wail on it use, not hold it wide open for an hour or two on a stand until it over heats, No problem, I understand you envy :)

a loyalists will defend Poo at any cost but it still doesn't make it right. You machine is going to blow my friend and there is nothing you can do to prevent it if you continue to run the crap stock pistons. No need to be defensive. You have a excellent machine but with a poorly engineered engine. if you are willing to wrench than you have the best and that is good. I may be buying one myself.

I'd be willing to bet I can go any place on my Mtn max and even further than you can go,,,:cool:
 

raceinsnow

New member
I have a 2012 Pro -r switch 800 and I had my motor go down this winter and it took 3 weeks to have it repaired under warranty. 2400 miles when it went down and i do have the 4 year extended warranty. The mag side piston was rocking in the bore and the top ring caught the exhaust port and tore up the cylinder.I always warm my sled up,keep in a heated garage and maintained.I love the ride on this sled, I have always had polaris sleds and I have no problem working on them myself but with the huge cost of parts now I cant afford to foot the bill any more. I saw the warranty invoice and it was almost $4,000 to fix, I now that is dealer pricing but I cant rebuild one for under a $1,000.With all that said , I will be installing the RK-tek pistons in my sled this summer even tho its still under warranty.
 

Dave_B

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But the point is, the failures we're talking about here are not friction issues.

I don't think this was a friction issue. This what killed mine at 4,000 miles. Granted, it was a 2009 but, all up to date, according to Polaris.
 

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eagle1

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Interesting thread.
So only people who want to wrench and change out pistons should by Polaris? Seems like good way to cut your customer base in half.
Polaris maybe bit cheaper price than most, but question is, is spending that much on a sled worth the risk of engine not even lasting a year?
Seems to me some people are starting to say no.
 

snobinge

Member
My riding group is mostly Doo and Cat MTN Sleds. However one 13' Assault and 2 12' Switchback trail sleds went down and were all in for repair at the same time this year. They were all purchased new this year. From what the Poo guys told us their dealer was very busy rebuilding Poo 800's this year. All of them were covered under warranty. I only ride with one other POO Pro chasis. It was a 12' leftover with only one weekend on it at the end of the season. I know he is pretty concerned with the statistics of Poo's going down in our group.
 

snoluver1

Active member
I don't think this was a friction issue. This what killed mine at 4,000 miles. Granted, it was a 2009 but, all up to date, according to Polaris.

?? Thats what I said. "The failures we're talking about here are NOT friction issues.

The picture of your piston is a clasic example of a lean burn down. The piston crown became so hot it melted on the exaust port side. Once again, nothing to do with lack of oil.
 
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