Smoking Ban?? Update??
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cat_man_mike
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Hiawatha, there are also bans on:
Shooting someone
Stabing someone
Running somone over with your car
Running someone over with your boat
Punching someone in the face
Kicking someone in the face
Hitting someone with a baseball bat
Poisining someones food
Poisining someones drink
Injecting toxic chemicals in someone
Drowning someone
Pushing someone off of a cliff
Pushing someone in front of a moving train
Pushing someone into traffic
All of these are public saftey issues that are potentaly lethal, LIKE SECOND HAND SMOKE. There is no doubt there are silly laws and ordinances everywhere, but some are absolutely nessasary. Sounds like more selfishness with no reguard for others well being. This is not forgetting to cover your mouth when you sneeze and giving someone a cold. THIS CAUSES LUNG CANCER AND KILLS PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It sucks that your buisness is suffering right now, maybe it is because of the unemployment rate near 10% and nobody wants to spend money on a vacation when they are not sure if they will have a job next week and can pay their bills next month. Call me crazy. I imagine when the economy bounces back that you will be pleasently surprised on how many more patrons you get because of the ban.
Shooting someone
Stabing someone
Running somone over with your car
Running someone over with your boat
Punching someone in the face
Kicking someone in the face
Hitting someone with a baseball bat
Poisining someones food
Poisining someones drink
Injecting toxic chemicals in someone
Drowning someone
Pushing someone off of a cliff
Pushing someone in front of a moving train
Pushing someone into traffic
All of these are public saftey issues that are potentaly lethal, LIKE SECOND HAND SMOKE. There is no doubt there are silly laws and ordinances everywhere, but some are absolutely nessasary. Sounds like more selfishness with no reguard for others well being. This is not forgetting to cover your mouth when you sneeze and giving someone a cold. THIS CAUSES LUNG CANCER AND KILLS PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It sucks that your buisness is suffering right now, maybe it is because of the unemployment rate near 10% and nobody wants to spend money on a vacation when they are not sure if they will have a job next week and can pay their bills next month. Call me crazy. I imagine when the economy bounces back that you will be pleasently surprised on how many more patrons you get because of the ban.
Business is not suffering at all... 
Things are good! it has to do with freedom to do things that are LEGAL!
The differences between bans I posted and what you posted is.. that your list is things against the law... the bans I posted are things lawful with the government dictating where or what we can do.. or eat.. or what to feed our kids.. ALL LAWFUL THINGS. Salt is not against the law.. if I want to eat food that is salty thats my business.. Plasma TV's arent against the law. nor is Happy meals nor sodas. Big difference!
Things are good! it has to do with freedom to do things that are LEGAL!The differences between bans I posted and what you posted is.. that your list is things against the law... the bans I posted are things lawful with the government dictating where or what we can do.. or eat.. or what to feed our kids.. ALL LAWFUL THINGS. Salt is not against the law.. if I want to eat food that is salty thats my business.. Plasma TV's arent against the law. nor is Happy meals nor sodas. Big difference!
cat_man_mike
New member
The difference in the things you posted and my point is that your stuff WILL NOT KILL PEOPLE! Second hand smoke causes lung cancer which kills people.
booondocker
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Did I read this one correctly, or is it just too smokey in here?
Point of order here....who be's the judge of this one??
I mean, is there such a thing as a "smell-o-meter"???
Geez Loueeez....where in the begeeezuszzz did you come up with this one??
I'm tryin to get my head around this one, but I'm hav'n a hard time....can you kinda establish what this has to do with smoking in eating establishments?
Bein a science guy, I believe in scientific processes and leavin conjecture out of it. There is NOBODY who can divorce the current state of the economy from a down turn in business, and hanging the smoking law out to dry because business is soft, means that a scape goat needed to be had and this was it!
booondocker
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Okay, after taking 2 days 4 hours and 23 minutes to read this WHOLE thread....I have decided that we need to do a few things here:
First we need to ban all 2 stroke sleds...dem suckers put out way more smoke than a cigeraella ever thought of do'n so, if we need to chug down a brew with a hamburger while some yo-yo goes by in his two stroker, pouring out that stinkin aimsoil smoke...we might just as well amend the current "no smokin" law to get those suckers off the trail and.....
Secondly, it has become absolutely clear that all smokers are Commie pinko criminals....and we should NOT just ban them from smoking....we should deport them...to Mexico, which is running out of people over the last few years...(nobody knows where they are going...just not there anymore) and that way, all the smoke will be south of the border and it won't affect all us...NON-smokers...who, remember.....are in the majority! And MAJORITY rules...don't yah know.
Finally, I believe I am seeing the beginning of the end....in that the Government, cruel and unsual as they might be, is purposely trying to device a plan to divide brother against sister, mother against father, and neighbor against neighbor in an effort to undermine our country to the point that even MORE folks from Mexico will end up dissappearing and leaving all the more room for USA smokers.
So I propose that we throw out all proposals as a commie pinko conspericy to undermine the government that we all have grown to suspect as NOT on the up and up and is well....trying to make us kill each other and then some aliens will come and take over our country....probably a bunch of cigar smoking commie pinkos....but I am not sure about that last one.
Whatchathink???
First we need to ban all 2 stroke sleds...dem suckers put out way more smoke than a cigeraella ever thought of do'n so, if we need to chug down a brew with a hamburger while some yo-yo goes by in his two stroker, pouring out that stinkin aimsoil smoke...we might just as well amend the current "no smokin" law to get those suckers off the trail and.....
Secondly, it has become absolutely clear that all smokers are Commie pinko criminals....and we should NOT just ban them from smoking....we should deport them...to Mexico, which is running out of people over the last few years...(nobody knows where they are going...just not there anymore) and that way, all the smoke will be south of the border and it won't affect all us...NON-smokers...who, remember.....are in the majority! And MAJORITY rules...don't yah know.
Finally, I believe I am seeing the beginning of the end....in that the Government, cruel and unsual as they might be, is purposely trying to device a plan to divide brother against sister, mother against father, and neighbor against neighbor in an effort to undermine our country to the point that even MORE folks from Mexico will end up dissappearing and leaving all the more room for USA smokers.
So I propose that we throw out all proposals as a commie pinko conspericy to undermine the government that we all have grown to suspect as NOT on the up and up and is well....trying to make us kill each other and then some aliens will come and take over our country....probably a bunch of cigar smoking commie pinkos....but I am not sure about that last one.
Whatchathink???
You missed the point. The point is, if they (Smokers) had the slightest respect for where they smoke, and who was in that space where they smoke, we may not be in a state of having to control it.
OK I said I was out, but I have a relevent story that happened today. I was out running this morning, and 2 older guys passed me on bikes, and wouldn't you know it, they were smoking. It was a great addition to my workout having a big inhale of smoke as they exhaled while passing me. This is why, even though I consider myself a libertarian-leaning conservative, I agree with the ban. Smokers, in general, don't care about anyone else's "right" to breathe!
Also, on the legal, non-legal, argument, it is legal to take a dump, just don't walk in a bar and do it on my table!
Also, on the legal, non-legal, argument, it is legal to take a dump, just don't walk in a bar and do it on my table!
Firecatguy
New member
hahahahahhahahabwhahahahhahah.........here we go.....really...on your bike in the open air....maybe you should give them their space.......
Aw... I'm willing to bet that Bryan was just giving out some good natured ribbing.
At least I hope so, or I might have to post some incriminating photos of him stuck, going DOWN HILL, in a field on a 2 stroke mountain sled!
Besides I owned a 4 stroke and they don't stink all that much less than current 2 stokes- especially the e-tec.
-John
Ok..ya got me john....lol but don't forget I still have pictures of an XLT buried as well....and that thing was almost as heavy as my mountain sled was..lol
chords
Active member
Lost another post. I'll start over.
Ok, as a member of the other or "they" group I get it. I was pushed out the door along time ago. Thats OK. I dont like the smell and having to eat around it either. I do have the slightest respect and who is around me and who is in MY space. I really dont care about any ban. I can wait until the coast is clear.
Ok, as a member of the other or "they" group I get it. I was pushed out the door along time ago. Thats OK. I dont like the smell and having to eat around it either. I do have the slightest respect and who is around me and who is in MY space. I really dont care about any ban. I can wait until the coast is clear.
thunderstruck88
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SAULT STE. MARIE -- The Sault Ste. Marie Tribe of Chippewa Indians has become the first tribe in Michigan — and the fifth in the nation — to establish smoke-free housing units for Tribal members.
The Sault Tribe Housing Authority today celebrated the opening of smoke-free homes for eight Tribal families (four duplex units) in Kincheloe, Mich. Additional smoke-free housing units will be established in future years, under a new policy adopted earlier this year by the Sault Tribe Housing Authority Commission.
“Providing a healthy living environment for Tribal members is our main goal,” said Sault Tribe Housing Director Joni Talentino. “We want to give our members the opportunity to join the nationwide movement toward becoming smoke free.” All of the smoke-free units are full.
Starting in November 2008, as an initiative of the Sault Tribe Strategic Alliance for Health Project, the Sault Tribe Tobacco Task Force, the Sault Tribe Housing Authority, Sault Tribal Youth Council, the Chippewa County Tobacco-Free Living Coalition, the Smoke-free Environments Law Project and the Michigan Department of Community Health worked together to adopt the policy and establish the smoke-free housing units.
“Many tribal and non-tribal entities worked hard on obtaining this status,” said Donna Norkoli, Project Coordinator of the Sault Tribe Strategic Alliance for Health Project. “It truly could not have been done without these partnerships.”
The Sault Tribe Housing Authority joins nine other local housing commissions in the U.P. that have adopted smoke-free policies.
“Of eleven tribal housing authorities in Michigan, the Sault Tribe has taken the lead in adopting a smoke-free policy,” said Jim Bergman of the Smoke-Free Environments Law Project. “Hopefully, other tribes will soon follow the Sault Tribe¹s leadership role."
The Sault Tribe Housing Authority joins the Sault Ste. Marie Housing Commission and a number of other apartment owners in Sault Ste. Marie, such as Randy McGahey of Ashmun Creek Apartments and Deb Harwood of Harwood Properties, Inc., in providing smoke-free housing options in Chippewa County.
“We commend the Sault Tribe for their leadership in adopting a smoke-free housing policy,” said Julie Trotter, Coordinator of the Chippewa County Tobacco-Free Living Coalition. “We are hopeful that your interest and leadership in this important public health initiative will promote other housing officials – both Tribal and non tribal - to follow suit.”
The Sault Tribe Housing Authority manages more than 500 housing units across the Upper Peninsula.
The Sault Tribe Housing Authority today celebrated the opening of smoke-free homes for eight Tribal families (four duplex units) in Kincheloe, Mich. Additional smoke-free housing units will be established in future years, under a new policy adopted earlier this year by the Sault Tribe Housing Authority Commission.
“Providing a healthy living environment for Tribal members is our main goal,” said Sault Tribe Housing Director Joni Talentino. “We want to give our members the opportunity to join the nationwide movement toward becoming smoke free.” All of the smoke-free units are full.
Starting in November 2008, as an initiative of the Sault Tribe Strategic Alliance for Health Project, the Sault Tribe Tobacco Task Force, the Sault Tribe Housing Authority, Sault Tribal Youth Council, the Chippewa County Tobacco-Free Living Coalition, the Smoke-free Environments Law Project and the Michigan Department of Community Health worked together to adopt the policy and establish the smoke-free housing units.
“Many tribal and non-tribal entities worked hard on obtaining this status,” said Donna Norkoli, Project Coordinator of the Sault Tribe Strategic Alliance for Health Project. “It truly could not have been done without these partnerships.”
The Sault Tribe Housing Authority joins nine other local housing commissions in the U.P. that have adopted smoke-free policies.
“Of eleven tribal housing authorities in Michigan, the Sault Tribe has taken the lead in adopting a smoke-free policy,” said Jim Bergman of the Smoke-Free Environments Law Project. “Hopefully, other tribes will soon follow the Sault Tribe¹s leadership role."
The Sault Tribe Housing Authority joins the Sault Ste. Marie Housing Commission and a number of other apartment owners in Sault Ste. Marie, such as Randy McGahey of Ashmun Creek Apartments and Deb Harwood of Harwood Properties, Inc., in providing smoke-free housing options in Chippewa County.
“We commend the Sault Tribe for their leadership in adopting a smoke-free housing policy,” said Julie Trotter, Coordinator of the Chippewa County Tobacco-Free Living Coalition. “We are hopeful that your interest and leadership in this important public health initiative will promote other housing officials – both Tribal and non tribal - to follow suit.”
The Sault Tribe Housing Authority manages more than 500 housing units across the Upper Peninsula.
I can sit next to you, have a case of beer, and fall asleep, and you are no worse for it.
We all need a bit of a laugh after all this (I thought it relates with the last line):
[Elwood Blues Jake Blues has a fight over the police car Elwood Blues got after he traded away the original bluesmobile for a microphone]
Elwood: You don't like it?
Jake: No I don't like it...
[Elwood Blues floors the pedal and jumps over an open drawbridge]
Jake: Car's got a lot of pickup.
Elwood: It's got a cop motor, a 440 cubic inch plant, it's got cop tires, cop suspensions, cop shocks. It's a model made before catalytic converters so it'll run good on regular gas. What do you say, is it the new Bluesmobile or what?
[a brief thinking pause while Jake attempts to light a cigarette]
Jake: Fix the cigarette lighter.
[Elwood Blues Jake Blues has a fight over the police car Elwood Blues got after he traded away the original bluesmobile for a microphone]
Elwood: You don't like it?
Jake: No I don't like it...
[Elwood Blues floors the pedal and jumps over an open drawbridge]
Jake: Car's got a lot of pickup.
Elwood: It's got a cop motor, a 440 cubic inch plant, it's got cop tires, cop suspensions, cop shocks. It's a model made before catalytic converters so it'll run good on regular gas. What do you say, is it the new Bluesmobile or what?
[a brief thinking pause while Jake attempts to light a cigarette]
Jake: Fix the cigarette lighter.
Exactly why government should shrink and not get bigger. God bless his family.
http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com...e-Cornelius-VanHandel-dies-after-U-S-41-crash
I would like to see the Liberals and Dems argue the Arizona thing now.
http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com...e-Cornelius-VanHandel-dies-after-U-S-41-crash
I would like to see the Liberals and Dems argue the Arizona thing now.
Yet another twist on the Smoking ban, from the Green Bay Press Gazette: Businesses hit with spate of phony smoking ban violation complaints. Didja see that coming?
F
fusion
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Business is not suffering at all...
The differences between bans I posted and what you posted is.. that your list is things against the law... the bans I posted are things lawful with the government dictating where or what we can do.. or eat.. or what to feed our kids.. ALL LAWFUL THINGS. Salt is not against the law.. if I want to eat food that is salty thats my business.. Plasma TV's arent against the law. nor is Happy meals nor sodas. Big difference!
Hiawatha, us Eagle River residents need to stick together - I agree 100% with all the points you are attempting to make. Unfortunately we are being liberalized, socialized and micro-managed to the Nth degree.
As an aside, the environmental whack-nuts thought they had the answer for sewage problems in Milwaukee area when they built the deep tunnel that was supposed to be capable of treating all waste runoff and sewage up to the "50 year flood". Well they've had about 15 or so 50 yr floods in the last 20 years and last week they pumped 300 million gallons of untreated sewage into Lake Michigan, even though Mr. Milwaukee Cty taxpayer gets hit with the billions in cost to build the system. These are the same people telling us that ozone is wrecking the atmosphere and we need ethanol in WI to clean the air. (Of course this has nothing at all to do with the corn lobbyists) These people did more damage to the environment with their F'd up deep tunnel experiment than all the ozone emissions from vehicles since catalytic converters were mandatated. The elitist arrogance is quite hilarious.