Snowmobile fees - unfair law ?????
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groomerdriver
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Yes
polarismike
Member
Yes
As an unaffected party (since I live in Michigan and not Wisconsin), I'm curious to hear from those who say it is fair -- why is it fair? By no means am I trying to start a war -- I honestly don't know, just trying to learn the rationale. Like I said, I don't have anything at stake but I'd like to learn the pros/cons.
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lenny
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if you want snowmobile clubs to be worth a hoot than they yes, they need more money
rocketman356
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more loot equals more hoot
polarisrider1
New member
yes
Agreed, anybody that has ridden more than once should at least join 1 club in their favorite ridding area. Wisconsin has not raised the trail pass fee for sometime now and like everyone now they are in need of more revenue. Michigan has required all riders to purchase a pass regardless of where your sled is registered. A sledder that lives in MI or IL currently pays $90 a year to ride in WI and MI, this will go to $105 a WI sledder that rides in WI and MI currently pays $60 a year to ride and this will go to $75 or $95 (non-club members) if this bill passes. Paying more sucks as the costs never go down but without the added $$$ the trail systems will suffer.
millertime
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Yes.
The trails are managed and maintained by the Clubs, club membership is down across the state and this will get people back involved.
The trails are managed and maintained by the Clubs, club membership is down across the state and this will get people back involved.
While I still don't disagree with this policy or some of the logic presented here, I am going offer up some "devil's advocacy" for the sake of discussion:
I couldn't agree more. I belong or have belonged to several clubs in other hobbies and it's the same thing. 20% of the people (or less) do 80% (or more) of the work.
However, keep in mind that not all of us live in areas where there are trails or clubs that maintain them. The closest such clubs to me are at least 3 hours away. That puts a limit on how much time I would be able to contribute to trail maintenance. Even so, I don't think it would be necessary to be a club member to pitch in and help -- I'm pretty sure they wouldn't turn help away.
Also, not all of us have one "favorite riding area". I'm happy just getting riding time, no matter where it is. In fact, I try NOT to ride the same area time and again in a given year -- gets boring. But conditions, then available cash, usually dictate where I go.
I do not currently belong to a club (other than the state organization, MSA -- does that count as a club?). If or when I relocate to an area where there are trails, joining one will be one of the first things I do. Yes, I know I could still join one even though I live several hours (or more, depending on which one I would join) and haven't ruled that out, either. But again, the time I would be able to contribute to trail maintenance would be minimal. So just because I would be a club member doesn't mean that I help out any more than somebody who isn't. I know that a lot of time, effort, and money go into maintaining the trails that I enjoy -- and I appreciate it. That's why, since my ability to contribute much in the way of effort is limited, I contribute to the collection jars every time I see them.
I couldn't agree more. I belong or have belonged to several clubs in other hobbies and it's the same thing. 20% of the people (or less) do 80% (or more) of the work.
However, keep in mind that not all of us live in areas where there are trails or clubs that maintain them. The closest such clubs to me are at least 3 hours away. That puts a limit on how much time I would be able to contribute to trail maintenance. Even so, I don't think it would be necessary to be a club member to pitch in and help -- I'm pretty sure they wouldn't turn help away.
Also, not all of us have one "favorite riding area". I'm happy just getting riding time, no matter where it is. In fact, I try NOT to ride the same area time and again in a given year -- gets boring. But conditions, then available cash, usually dictate where I go.
I do not currently belong to a club (other than the state organization, MSA -- does that count as a club?). If or when I relocate to an area where there are trails, joining one will be one of the first things I do. Yes, I know I could still join one even though I live several hours (or more, depending on which one I would join) and haven't ruled that out, either. But again, the time I would be able to contribute to trail maintenance would be minimal. So just because I would be a club member doesn't mean that I help out any more than somebody who isn't. I know that a lot of time, effort, and money go into maintaining the trails that I enjoy -- and I appreciate it. That's why, since my ability to contribute much in the way of effort is limited, I contribute to the collection jars every time I see them.
russholio, you do have very valid points, I live in South Chicagoland and I'm typically 6 hours away from the areas I mostly ride and the clubs I belong to, so I'm unable to make any meetings or help out like I would like to, I'm hopeful that my membership dues and donations help the club out, I also belong to the MSA and I do get to ride in Upper and lower Michigan from time to time but I think your state has been a little more progressive in raising the trail permit fee's to keep up with cost.