This is what I just don't understand...

[mrbb]

Well yes, as you test more, you will get more positives. Your post is useless without the # of tests and the # of positive results to give the percentage ratio....unless you are just another drama lama scare monger with an agenda.

I'm no drama lama scare monger with an agenda I am just sharing local news from my area!

what do you think showing the number of test and or number positive results is going to do, change anyone's mind.
if the FACTS, are that there are cases showing up at high rates,and there not slowing down on it simple to show things are not better nor going down wards
will #'s mean something SURE, but numbers of positive cases also show something too

I am not trying to scare anyone, just saying, things can still get worse in places with low numbers as there are places with high numbers still getting higher!
this thing is far from over in many places!

here are some #'s if you think they will change anything
187652 tested ,147,000 tested negative , and 38,652 tested positive

 

[snobuilder]

YES....put on your silly masks so you can walk around aimlessly in the big box stores so as to give yourself a feeling of normalcy.....LOL.... STFU you dimwhits.....been in more face to face with customers in the past 5 weeks at our store than EVER before....record sales and traffic....so STFU....none a youse sallys are actually staying "scared at home"!!!!!!....yur all out walking around in the big box stores.

If you are actually staying home then whats the big deal and the preaching to the free souls who know this is a fake event on how to behave....stay home if yur scared schitless by mr Evers or any other Dem conspirator.

 

[mrbb]

YES....put on your silly masks so you can walk around aimlessly in the big box stores so as to give yourself a feeling of normalcy.....LOL.... STFU you dimwhits.....been in more face to face with customers in the past 5 weeks at our store than EVER before....record sales and traffic....so STFU....none a youse sallys are actually staying "scared at home"!!!!!!....yur all out walking around in the big box stores.

If you are actually staying home then whats the big deal and the preaching to the free souls who know this is a fake event on how to behave....stay home if yur scared schitless by mr Evers or any other Dem conspirator.

well I am staaying at home but not due to I am scared
I can dow hat I need to from home so??

and the problem I am guessing about those NOT staying home, is the fact that they can be spreading this and keeping the ball rolling over, if folks did teh stay at home as suggested, things might end sooner due to things might pass .move on!

if those with it(and many have it and DON"T know it)
just free willy go about as if nothing is wrong, then there part of the problem and not the solution and causing tings to take longer!

 

[snobuilder]

I'm no drama lama scare monger with an agenda I am just sharing local news from my area!

what do you think showing the number of test and or number positive results is going to do, change anyone's mind.
if the FACTS, are that there are cases showing up at high rates,and there not slowing down on it simple to show things are not better nor going down wards
will #'s mean something SURE, but numbers of positive cases also show something too

I am not trying to scare anyone, just saying, things can still get worse in places with low numbers as there are places with high numbers still getting higher!
this thing is far from over in many places!

Yur a bright guy as reading your posts proves but just saying there are more positives means absolutely nothing without knowing how many test are being taken. We need to know the ratio of #test vs #positives and # of hospitalizations. We also need to know how many positives have zero or few/mild symptoms to know the true seriousness of the virus.
i believe as more test get done we will see that WAAAAY more ppl have this or have HAD this virus with just avg flu symptoms .....or no symptoms at all.

This will blow away the scare mongers who want so bad for this to be a catastrophe.

 

[jonesin]

people die naturally
show us the natural death numbers, the flue death numbers, etc from last year or the year before and then give us all the numbers now and let us decide
the number of deaths they are throwing out there is exagerated as it includes ALL deaths for the most part
as i said in previous post, if I know one that tested NEGATIVE and the death was listed as COVID RELATED then how many more are being misreported? I know of the only one?
I have been staying home for the most part, wear a mask "just because" when I go out, wash my hands blah blah blah, I chuckle every time I put it on thinking how many virus's are on the mask from yesterday or whatever, same with the pile of used wipes on floor of my truck I emptied out the other day

 

[mrbb]

Yur a bright guy as reading your posts proves but just saying there are more positives means absolutely nothing without knowing how many test are being taken. We need to know the ratio of #test vs #positives and # of hospitalizations. We also need to know how many positives have zero or few/mild symptoms to know the true seriousness of the virus.
i believe as more test get done we will see that WAAAAY more ppl have this or have HAD this virus with just avg flu symptoms .....or no symptoms at all.

This will blow away the scare mongers who want so bad for this to be a catastrophe.

as of info given yesterday, 185,652 tested here in PA< and 147,000 tested Negative and 38,652 tested positive and 1492 deaths!


and I am sure there are a lot of folks that have it and NOT been tested!

https://www.wtae.com/article/coronavirus-map-curve-pennsylvania/32256952

 

[snobuilder]

as of info given yesterday, 185,652 tested here in PA< and 147,000 tested Negative and 38,652 tested positive and 1492 deaths!


and I am sure there are a lot of folks that have it and NOT been tested!

https://www.wtae.com/article/coronavirus-map-curve-pennsylvania/32256952

.001% of your states population died from this virus.

 

[catdog]

xsledder

I test HEPA filter as part of my job, I real don’t have time to elaborate but in a nut shell the thickness of the mask compared to the size of particles we’re talking about it would be like hitting a golf ball through several acre woods and expecting it to pass completely threw.

 

[packerlandrider]

Pray up a storm. Let me know how that works out.

Well I'm just one guy, but it sure has worked out in my life.

Due to complications at birth, I was given a very low chance of living past the first few moments out of the womb.
If I did survive that, the initial diagnosis and that for the first few day/weeks/months was that I would be both extremely mentally retarded & physically handicapped for the rest of my life, however long/short that would be.
The doctors settled on a diagnosis of Cerebral Palsey, which continued to be the diagnosis until I was four and continued to grow in strength and ability.

Fast forward to today, I'm graduated from Michigan Tech with four degrees working a fairly physical job as a consulting forester, with a focus on data analysis.

I don't know exactly the size of the prayer network who was praying for me back at birth/early childhood, but I know it was extremely sizable.

The doctors flat out could not / cannot explain to my parents how I was able to survive, and in many facets thrive. It's not like those diagnoses were a split second thing; they were there for a sizable time period. People claim that I'm a hard worker (I would disagree to an extent), but those conditions are not ones you just work out of. If you have an answer, my parents would sure be interested in hearing it cuz the doctors sure weren't able to provide one.

There is no way to fully comprehend, and thus explain the sovereignty of God. I can't explain how prayer appears to benefit some in tangible way but not others. Life on this earth is only temporary, so I try not to get too caught up on it. Instead, focusing on and trying to be grateful for the opportunities God has blessed me with.

Peace be with you all.

 

[gary_in_neenah]

Excellent post! I have a brother that started out with challenges such as yours and like yourself, he's done well. As for prayer, I'm not the church goer that I should be but I'm not willing to bet on eternity either. If prayer gets us through times like these, I'm all for it.

 

[dcsnomo]

A N95 mask when fitted properly is "suppose" to filter out 95% of airborne particles 0.3 microns (300 nm) or larger (source Honeywell). The coronavirus size is 120 nm (source Britannica), or half the size of the requirements for the N95 mask. You can come to your own conclusion, but if you do, explain to me how something is going to stop particles that are half the size of what it was designed to stop?

Let's see...I have all these health experts from all around the world with their education and all their accumulated knowledge vs a guy on a snowmobile site declaring their cumulative knowledge is null and void. And, what they are asking me to do is a simple act with no downside.

I'm thinking I'm going with the scientists on this one. It's only a mask.

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This sounds just like the argument for gun control. "You don't really need your guns. Just hand them over; nothing bad will happen to you if you do. If it saves just one life, it's all worth it. Even if it's ineffective, at least we did something that made us feel like we tried, and made us feel safer (even though we weren't)".

It's only a mask, not a constitutional issue.

 

[dcsnomo]

WOW!

So give up all your freedoms, and do it the way the "governor" demands. Because thats the "right" way to beg for your freedoms back.......

The message is Evers is a tyrant. He is infringing on our freedoms. He is demanding we disregard the constitution.

But you want us to line up like sheep and do as we are told in hopes that he "lets" us have some freedoms back??

Kinda being melodramatic, aren't you?

Look, you're pushing a different message than I am. You want to push a political agenda, I do not. If you reread my post I am trying to come up with an idea to move the governor along to open the state so my friends with small businesses don't go bankrupt.

There is a process to negotiation and rubbing the other guys nose in dog crap is not a recommended method.

Now, if you want an ineffective media show continue on. It makes for good TV and does nothing to open the state.

 

[dcsnomo]

You know what I think... I know this is going to sound really corny, but I think it’s great that we are all allowed to have our own opinions and speak them. I believe both sides have valid points. I am glad that there are folks concerned about this bug and I am equally glad that there are folks making sure we are not a bunch of frogs in a pot of water slowly being heated up.
I believe this is EXACTLY what our founding fathers had in mind when they laid the laws of the land. Life is not perfect and people are not perfect, opinions will be at opposite ends no matter what the subject matter is. Believe what you want, that is the beauty of this country.

Hi John!

 

[euphoric1]

Yur a bright guy as reading your posts proves but just saying there are more positives means absolutely nothing without knowing how many test are being taken. We need to know the ratio of #test vs #positives and # of hospitalizations. We also need to know how many positives have zero or few/mild symptoms to know the true seriousness of the virus.
i believe as more test get done we will see that WAAAAY more ppl have this or have HAD this virus with just avg flu symptoms .....or no symptoms at all.

This will blow away the scare mongers who want so bad for this to be a catastrophe.

snobuilder, I agree completely but I for one don't think we will ever know the truth, and even though we haven't seen this death of biblical proportion the fear mongering continues, and I agree as we test more I think we will find there are far more a-symptomatic, ones that have already had it and find out it has been here longer than reported but I don't believe it will ever be admitted that this was an over reaction or that the economic impact was worse than the illness itself, so far we are at a quarter of what the flu kills globally year after year. I think they are too far into this to admit that they were wrong or that this wasn't necessary to the extent it has become, but they are now in too far to just back out so we will continue to pump the fear into everyone while our economy sinks into depression era statistics, shame on local government and shame on the media, I too think we will be blown away by what testing on large scale will actually expose, but I doubt we will hear the truth, just what society has become used to hearing.... "fake news"

 

[dfattack]

It's only a mask, not a constitutional issue.

For now. Then what? You have to get a vaccine? You have to go on a diet (large portion of the deaths people were overweight)? You have to exercise a certain amount? I mean come on. The virus is spreading and has spread around the world and will continue to do so until herd immunity brings it to stop and dies out. No, I'm not a doctor but I play one on the internet

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Kinda being melodramatic, aren't you?

Look, you're pushing a different message than I am. You want to push a political agenda, I do not. If you reread my post I am trying to come up with an idea to move the governor along to open the state so my friends with small businesses don't go bankrupt.

There is a process to negotiation and rubbing the other guys nose in dog crap is not a recommended method.

Now, if you want an ineffective media show continue on. It makes for good TV and does nothing to open the state.

Well unless you've been living off the grid with no contact with the outside world...this is now political! First we had to flatten the curve. Done. now what? Only a certain party is pushing the stay at home agenda and are continuing to move the goal posts.

 

[dfattack]

snobuilder, I agree completely but I for one don't think we will ever know the truth, and even though we haven't seen this death of biblical proportion the fear mongering continues, and I agree as we test more I think we will find there are far more a-symptomatic, ones that have already had it and find out it has been here longer than reported but I don't believe it will ever be admitted that this was an over reaction or that the economic impact was worse than the illness itself, so far we are at a quarter of what the flu kills globally year after year. I think they are too far into this to admit that they were wrong or that this wasn't necessary to the extent it has become, but they are now in too far to just back out so we will continue to pump the fear into everyone while our economy sinks into depression era statistics, shame on local government and shame on the media, I too think we will be blown away by what testing on large scale will actually expose, but I doubt we will hear the truth, just what society has become used to hearing.... "fake news"

Completely agree. Most will never admit it was overblown and to be honest I'm not sure I would hold it against them since who the heck knew what was going to happen, especially when you have "experts" in your ear telling you this and that. Trump started out doing the right thing in my opinion, but now we need to see a swing in the other direction. I'm a conservation in case you haven't figured that out and most if not all of my friends are too. Some of them are starting to get frustrated with Trump not being trump and doing what is right no matter what the media says. He's been doing it for 3 years why stop now? I want EVERYONE to be safe and healthy, but we need to have our source of income restored asap. I currently have over 500 employees right now and I'm doing everything i can to keep them all working. So far I have been successful. I'm ok in this environment thru maybe May or early June. Not sure beyond that. I care about each and every one of them and their families and by the way, not one of my staff has been infected and I'm in the south suburbs of Chicago.

 

[xsledder]

xsledder

I test HEPA filter as part of my job, I real don’t have time to elaborate but in a nut shell the thickness of the mask compared to the size of particles we’re talking about it would be like hitting a golf ball through several acre woods and expecting it to pass completely threw.

But it can, can it not? I am sure probability is part of your job? Why else do they put on the effectiveness of the filter on the labels?

 

[xsledder]

Let's see...I have all these health experts from all around the world with their education and all their accumulated knowledge vs a guy on a snowmobile site declaring their cumulative knowledge is null and void. And, what they are asking me to do is a simple act with no downside.

I'm thinking I'm going with the scientists on this one. It's only a mask.

I learned to be critical and to think through everything that is foreseeable as part of my education and job. Therefore, if I research something and find conflicting science and decide to not act in the way the majority acts based on the conflicting science, how does it hurt you? Why should I or others be forced to do something that from their perspective doesn't offer any benefit or make common sense. Show me one mask that is 100% effective against the coronavirus or any virus. One doesn't exist. At the start of this thread you took the position that people should wear masks because there is no down side. That is completely your opinion. I don't see a benefit to the mask, that is my opinion. Quit telling me to put on a mask because there is no down side. Who do you think you are anyway? Like me, you are some guy on a snowmobile site. You know where you can put all those experts with all their education and accumulated knowledge. Once this is over and the dust settles, and we have accurate data and not some models that might/could have GIGO, then I'll review my behaviors. Right now, the science appear to me to be much like alchemy. To much conflicting information from too many sources. But if you trust the science, I am fine with it. Just don't start pushing it off on me. There are experts that can help you deal with your emotions regarding my opinion to not wear a mask.

 

[jr37]

"Let's see...I have all these health experts from all around the world with their education and all their accumulated knowledge vs a guy on a snowmobile site declaring their cumulative knowledge is null and void. And, what they are asking me to do is a simple act with no downside.

I'm thinking I'm going with the scientists on this one. It's only a mask."

That's the most true thing I've read hear in ages. Whether it's masks, Corona, politics, economy, etc. There are a lot of self proclaimed experts here. I'll also go with the real experts on this one. On a side note. I am also a conservative, but also have an open mind. No blinders here.

 

[xcr440]

You know what I think... I know this is going to sound really corny, but I think it’s great that we are all allowed to have our own opinions and speak them. I believe both sides have valid points. I am glad that there are folks concerned about this bug and I am equally glad that there are folks making sure we are not a bunch of frogs in a pot of water slowly being heated up.
I believe this is EXACTLY what our founding fathers had in mind when they laid the laws of the land. Life is not perfect and people are not perfect, opinions will be at opposite ends no matter what the subject matter is. Believe what you want, that is the beauty of this country.

Thanks for letting the conversation continue John.