This is what I just don't understand...

[snobuilder]

"Let's see...I have all these health experts from all around the world with their education and all their accumulated knowledge vs a guy on a snowmobile site declaring their cumulative knowledge is null and void. And, what they are asking me to do is a simple act with no downside.

I'm thinking I'm going with the scientists on this one. It's only a mask."

That's the most true thing I've read hear in ages. Whether it's masks, Corona, politics, economy, etc. There are a lot of self proclaimed experts here. I'll also go with the real experts on this one. On a side note. I am also a conservative, but also have an open mind. No blinders here.

dr Fauchi said nothing to worry about as late as early March.....LMAO at anyones educated and scientific reliance.....can you HEAR me?...LOL.

I find that it is my lack of a degree and common sense hard knock upbringing that allows me to see through the bullschit and makes me a scholar compared to the so called "educated"....LMAO...but seriously...yu are very smahrt

 

[mrbb]

I think the point of a mask is this, IT MIGHT help slow the spread, it may NOT stop to, or work 100%
but if it helps even a little WHY NOT wear it
the life you save might be your own or someones else\
is it that big a deal to wear right now??
as they say, part of the problem or part of the solution!

unfortunately, in life there will always be rules we need to follow, as if everyone did what ever they wanted when ever they wanted, the world would be a lot worse off
as its been proven time and time again, humans have little self control!
so some times rules are made to help prevent such things! they ain;t perfect either, but , the best we have!

 

[james88]

Excellent videos (2 of them) that interview two ER doctors in California. They discuss the flu, comparisons to NY, and say at this point in time the data shows we should not be locking down any more.



https://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/...ss-conference-questioning-of-extreme-measures

 

[dfattack]

"Let's see...I have all these health experts from all around the world with their education and all their accumulated knowledge vs a guy on a snowmobile site declaring their cumulative knowledge is null and void. And, what they are asking me to do is a simple act with no downside.

I'm thinking I'm going with the scientists on this one. It's only a mask."

That's the most true thing I've read hear in ages. Whether it's masks, Corona, politics, economy, etc. There are a lot of self proclaimed experts here. I'll also go with the real experts on this one. On a side note. I am also a conservative, but also have an open mind. No blinders here.

I don't recall ANYONE claiming to be experts on here. Just a lot of people who have opinions which is healthy in my opinion. I'm actually a little surprised and impressed how civil the various threads have been with such an enormous topic on everyone's minds effecting so many people. This situation has become very political and that is usually a hot button but again, for the most part very civil.

 

[dfattack]

I think the point of a mask is this, IT MIGHT help slow the spread, it may NOT stop to, or work 100%
but if it helps even a little WHY NOT wear it
the life you save might be your own or someones else\
is it that big a deal to wear right now??
as they say, part of the problem or part of the solution!

unfortunately, in life there will always be rules we need to follow, as if everyone did what ever they wanted when ever they wanted, the world would be a lot worse off
as its been proven time and time again, humans have little self control!
so some times rules are made to help prevent such things! they ain;t perfect either, but , the best we have!

Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't the goal to slow the spread? if so, goal has been met. That's also a key point to bring up. The masks won't stop the virus. It's going to spread anyway, but maybe at a slower pace. The point to slow the spreading of the virus was to help hospitals handle the influx of the patients. Well, that goal was met and now we have hospital staff being laid off because they don't have enough people in the hospitals to keep them a float.

So I ask, why wear masks now? What's the objective? What's the goal?

 

[catdog]

But it can, can it not? I am sure probability is part of your job? Why else do they put on the effectiveness of the filter on the labels?

Yes anything can fail under the right conditions, that’s why knowing how to properly use a mask is important. That’s why I laugh at how people are using them.

 

[xsledder]

Yes anything can fail under the right conditions, that’s why knowing how to properly use a mask is important. That’s why I laugh at how people are using them.

I am with you on that point. I just shake my head and chuckle to myself when I see how some people wear the masks and what people use for masks.

 

[russholio]

A N95 mask when fitted properly is "suppose" to filter out 95% of airborne particles 0.3 microns (300 nm) or larger (source Honeywell). The coronavirus size is 120 nm (source Britannica), or half the size of the requirements for the N95 mask. You can come to your own conclusion, but if you do, explain to me how something is going to stop particles that are half the size of what it was designed to stop?

This. And homemade masks are even less effective (if they have no filtering material).

 

[russholio]

That is the size of the virus itself. When it leaves an infected persons body, it is attached to something, usually a liquid particle from their airway system. Those are much larger than the filter size of an N95.

But when the liquid evaorates, wouldn't the virus be left on the mask, just millimeters from your mouth and nose?

 

[Admin]

But when the liquid evaorates, wouldn't the virus be left on the mask, just millimeters from your mouth and nose?

The physical nature of a virus is to attach itself to things as quickly as it can. Think of it as a ball with 100's of small suction cups on it. It is pretty rare for a virus particle to be just floating around on it's own. It will even attach itself to dust particles (invisible to the naked eye) when airborne. In your scenario, the virus would attach itself to the outside of the mask material and stay there. So it may be just millimeters from your mouth and nose, but not inside and that is all that is needed.

There is a lot of debate as to if this virus can truly become an aerisol. That is a completely different physical state. They have done extensive testing of the air in hospital rooms that covid-19 patients were in and none of the air samples contained the virus. There was virus particles on a multitude of the surfaces, including the air scrubbing filters, but they have yet to find it in the air itself...as an aerisol.

Measles is a virus that can aerisolise, that is why is is one of the most contagious diseases out there. Usually resulting in at least a dozen new cases for each single existing case.

If this current bug were able to aerisolise easily under regular conditions, the numbers of those infected would be incredibly higher than they are. Anyone being in the vicinity of an infected person, or an inside location where an infected person was in the past 2-3 hours would likely catch it.

 

[russholio]

The physical nature of a virus is to attach itself to things as quickly as it can. Think of it as a ball with 100's of small suction cups on it. It is pretty rare for a virus particle to be just floating around on it's own. It will even attach itself to dust particles (invisible to the naked eye) when airborne. In your scenario, the virus would attach itself to the outside of the mask material and stay there. So it may be just millimeters from your mouth and nose, but not inside and that is all that is needed.

There is a lot of debate as to if this virus can truly become an aerisol. That is a completely different physical state. They have done extensive testing of the air in hospital rooms that covid-19 patients were in and none of the air samples contained the virus. There was virus particles on a multitude of the surfaces, including the air scrubbing filters, but they have yet to find it in the air itself...as an aerisol.

Measles is a virus that can aerisolise, that is why is is one of the most contagious diseases out there. Usually resulting in at least a dozen new cases for each single existing case.

If this current bug were able to aerisolise easily under regular conditions, the numbers of those infected would be incredibly higher than they are. Anyone being in the vicinity of an infected person, or an inside location where an infected person was in the past 2-3 hours would likely catch it.

Thanks for the explanation, John. I truly didn't know, having heard somebody else say that once the liquid evaporated, the virus could be easily sucked in.

 

[mrbb]

Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't the goal to slow the spread? if so, goal has been met. That's also a key point to bring up. The masks won't stop the virus. It's going to spread anyway, but maybe at a slower pace. The point to slow the spreading of the virus was to help hospitals handle the influx of the patients. Well, that goal was met and now we have hospital staff being laid off because they don't have enough people in the hospitals to keep them a float.

So I ask, why wear masks now? What's the objective? What's the goal?

because things are not slowing down every where?

so why STOP wearing the mask if it helps??

it could only help more folks NOT get things ? no>?

this thing is NOT over every where or slowing down every where
so till it is, I think wearing a mask us a small price to pay till then,
like I said, either part of the solution or part of the problem, as again, there are many folks that have this and DON"T Know it
so them running about NO mask, there not helping STOP.slow things down, and since its proven, it can take off into larger numbers pretty fast, why take a place with low numbers and risk it going the other way, I guess just don't see how wearing a mask for a little longer is such a big deal!
but this is MY opinion!

 

[euphoric1]

Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't the goal to slow the spread? if so, goal has been met. That's also a key point to bring up. The masks won't stop the virus. It's going to spread anyway, but maybe at a slower pace. The point to slow the spreading of the virus was to help hospitals handle the influx of the patients. Well, that goal was met and now we have hospital staff being laid off because they don't have enough people in the hospitals to keep them a float.

So I ask, why wear masks now? What's the objective? What's the goal?

That's what I thought as well, goal achieved! as far as hospital staff, I just don't get it, then we build a 500 bed medical/bed complex at the Wi state fair grounds, employ 400 people to man it while surrounding hospitals sitting less than 50% occupied, staff being sent home, people suffering because they cant get the surgery they need as some are deemed not important right now. makes absolutely no sense. And an answer to your masks question? IMO....fear mongering and justification for this overreaction. how many times now have we heard about when its going to peak? the other question I have is of confirmed cases, how many of those cases are "current" or is that "confirmed" number an total of confirmed cases since we started testing? if so you mean to tell me all of these people still have it? and then when we have mass testing are we going to check everyone every two weeks? as gestation period is two weeks. Then the WHO announces that just because you have had it doesn't mean you cant get it again.... hmmmm just like another virus I know! This just doesn't add up or make sense, and in the mean time the economy continues down the toilet, unemployment is on the rise. We need to WAKE UP people!

 

[dfattack]

because things are not slowing down every where?

so why STOP wearing the mask if it helps??

it could only help more folks NOT get things ? no>?



this thing is NOT over every where or slowing down every where
s till it is, , I think wearing a mask s a small price to pay till then,
like I said, either part of the solution or part of the problem, as again, there are many folks that have this and DON"T Know it
so them running about NO mask, there not helping STOP.slow things down, and since its proven, it can take off into larger numbers pretty fast, why take a place with low numbers and risk it going the other way, I guess just don't see how wearing a mask for a little longer is such a big deal!
but this is MY opinion!

Rather than me answer this take a look at the thread "Well worth an hour of your time". Watch the video and see what a real "expert" has to say. The title of the thread is perfect. Everyone should at least watch it if for no other reason than to help ease people's fears. Living in fear is not good for some many reasons including ironically enough your health.

 

[dfattack]

That's what I thought as well, goal achieved! as far as hospital staff, I just don't get it, then we build a 500 bed medical/bed complex at the Wi state fair grounds, employ 400 people to man it while surrounding hospitals sitting less than 50% occupied, staff being sent home, people suffering because they cant get the surgery they need as some are deemed not important right now. makes absolutely no sense. And an answer to your masks question? IMO....fear mongering and justification for this overreaction. how many times now have we heard about when its going to peak? the other question I have is of confirmed cases, how many of those cases are "current" or is that "confirmed" number an total of confirmed cases since we started testing? if so you mean to tell me all of these people still have it? and then when we have mass testing are we going to check everyone every two weeks? as gestation period is two weeks. Then the WHO announces that just because you have had it doesn't mean you cant get it again.... hmmmm just like another virus I know! This just doesn't add up or make sense, and in the mean time the economy continues down the toilet, unemployment is on the rise. We need to WAKE UP people!

Amen to that

 

[xcr440]

rather than me answer this take a look at the thread "well worth an hour of your time". Watch the video and see what a real "expert" has to say. The title of the thread is perfect. Everyone should at least watch it if for no other reason than to help ease people's fears. Living in fear is not good for some many reasons including ironically enough your health.

x1000

 

[snobuilder]

survived another jamb packed weekend of face to face record sales at my local big box employer ....this can't be any more bizarre than it is....while ppl are claiming this is certain death the rest of society is crowding big box stores at record numbers.....waiting in line to do so!!!

This is reality.... at least here in the metro fringe of MKE..... and from our regional numbers it is true throughout the midwest which is a great indicator of the rest of the country.
no mask on this mug....way too pretty, but on some customers it is a great improvement....I always try to see the positive in the rest of societies self absorbed dramas.

 

[pclark]

Amen to that

The Who was a great band!

 

[G]

There will be no vaccine. No vaccine has ever been developed for any other coronavirus. It will be no different this time. So just forget that angle. The vast majority of the people that have died are either old or fragile with pre existing conditions. There is nothing to see here. Just nature at work. Open everything up. Let Nature happen.

 

[packerlandrider]

The Who was a great band!

X2, my favorite!