Tony Stewart

jonesin

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i dont know that it was even tonys car that rev'd, a lot of cars on the track...
if i understood my friend correctly, when he raced them they basically were pushed to get started and you stalled them to shut them off, there is no clutch and they idle at 30mph or so, he also said they are a *&^% to turn and you do gun it to get it to turn
personally, i think he "learched" to the right after he hit him and was in the process of running him over, tony was only a tire or two higher than the car in front of him who almost hit him too
just my .02$
 
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I've learned a new term in the discussion of this incident...mutual culpabilty, which means that both parties merit blame. The driver should not have walked down a poorly lit track in a black suit, continuing to walk closer and closer towards Stewart's car. Had he not gotten out of the car there would be no one for Stewart to hit. His actions are culpable, that is, worthy of blame.

Stewart is mutually culpable because, for whatever reason, his car breaks loose and fishtails to hit him. We can assume that since the car fishtailed (for whatever reason) Stewart did not have control of his vehicle, thus violating the rules of a yellow caution. He is, therefore mutually culpable. We can assume if he had control like the blue car (and others) and followed the line and the speed he would not have hit the driver.

The question to be answered is the intent of Stewart's actions. I have also watched the video several times, and I need to ask the question "Why would a NASCAR champion and experienced sprint car driver not be able to control his car under a yellow when the other much less experienced racers are able to do so? What caused Stewart's car to break loose?" I too have heard the throttle blip while the camera is on the blue car, and there is no linkage to the throttle blip and Stewart's car fishtailing, although that is the next thing we see.

I bet another video will surface where we will be able to hear the throttle blip and link it directly to the fishtailing of Stewart's car.

I agree with all of that except on the video I posted above, the throttle blip coincides with Tony's car breaking loose IMO.
 
thats how those cars turn and break, throttle. One rear tire is about 4" taller than the other for this purpose.

What's odd with this situation, is that the guy in the wrong is the one that lost his life.
 

xcr440

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thats how those cars turn and break, throttle. One rear tire is about 4" taller than the other for this purpose.

What's odd with this situation, is that the guy in the wrong is the one that lost his life.

Sadly, I agree. The LAST thing any driver expects to be coming across a dark race track is a guy in a black fire suit, or in his birthday suit for that matter. The throttle blip may have been Tony trying to turn the car away. We all can have our opinions on it. Only one man knows.

And as pointed out, if this was anyone besides Tony Stewart, we probably wouldn't have even heard about it.
 

snowdance

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It looked like the way he had the wheels turned, when he appeared to hit the gas, the rear tires slid away from the guy. You can see the rear sliding to the inside of the track at that point. Maybe he made a last ditch effort to avoid the guy? Hard to tell for sure since the camera wasn't on Tony's car up until the point of impact. Real sad deal for sure.

Nobody knows exactly what happened or Tonys intention if any at all. IMO the tires kick out away from the guy. Maybe Tony didn't see until last second and attempted to avoid. People who say he throttled to slide tires into guy i'm unsure where that comes from the video clearly shows the back of the car kicking away from the guy, but too late. Very unfortunate.
 
Compared to the other cars under caution, Stewart's car was coming around the corner pretty hot and then accelerated faster as he got closer to Ward. Would be interesting to see another view of the accident from a panned out angle. I am sure there is track footage that is not yet made available to the public.

HH
 

ezra

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all this dark track and black suit is total BS we have all been to tracks at night the 50 or 60 1000watt high pressure sodium lights are mare than enough to see across the whole track.
if there were a dark spot on a night track it was fixed bt y the second race the yr it was built
 
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It's amazing how people can see the same video so differently.
 

eagle1

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Nobody knows exactly what happened or Tonys intention if any at all. IMO the tires kick out away from the guy. Maybe Tony didn't see until last second and attempted to avoid. People who say he throttled to slide tires into guy i'm unsure where that comes from the video clearly shows the back of the car kicking away from the guy, but too late. Very unfortunate.

Well said, totally agree.


It's amazing how people can see the same video so differently.

That's because we're all assuming and projecting what we think we "know". How the cars handle, visibilty,track conditions, Tony's demeanor.
As far as we all know Tony could of had his head down lookin at dash, adjusting his junk ...whatever, looked up and oh sheet.

But your right we all see things differently, kinda scary, remember that if your ever picking jury to decide your fate.
 

srt20

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Just curious,

Has anyone in here ever driven a sprint car?
Has anyone in here ever driven any type of race car on a track during an actual race?
 

jonesin

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everyone acts like tony knew the guy wrecked and was mad at him, but when the kid hit the wall and spun he was behind tony and tony probably had no idea why the caution came out, i'm not sure there was even any contact between the two.....
 

mezz

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x4,,,,,, excellent article & to further reiterate the sentiments of many, truly sad for ALL involved. Bad things can & do happen to Good people. Time for this one to be put to rest.-Mezz
 

rocky367

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Worked safety at local dirt and asphalt tracks for many years, and I will say that just because the lighting is great from the stands on the track there are shadows and dark spots. Can't say about that track in particular but having drove safety truck under all conditions it is a different environment out on the racing surface. If I can almost get hit by cars driving a maroon truck with a ton of lights going anything can happen as the drivers have their mind elsewhere.
 

Pizza Man

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ug 12, 2014 at 3:19pm
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Post by Pizza Man on Aug 12, 2014 at 3:19pm
As millions of people have, Steve Sinclair watched the video from Saturday night in upstate New York, just from a slightly different perspective.

In addition to being a lifelong fan of racing, Sinclair operates a racing series for winged sprint cars, and his day job is as an agent for the largest insurer to the motorsports industry.

So in a 45-minute conversation Monday about the incident at Canandaigua Motorsports Park that left Kevin Ward Jr. dead, one phrase came up repeatedly.

"You can't leave your car," Sinclair said.

And said it again. And again.

Those are likely to be among the first and most important words to come out of his mouth Friday night at Wilmot Raceway when the Interstate Racing Association competes for the first time since Ward's death.

Ward was walking on the track when he was struck by the right rear tire of a car driven by NASCAR champion Tony Stewart. The two had fought for space on the racetrack, Ward spun and stopped with a flat tire and then got out of his car, apparently to confront Stewart, as the field lapped under caution.

"We're definitely going to address it at the drivers' meeting," said Sinclair, the president of the IRA since 1994. The organization sanctions about two dozen events annually, mostly around Wisconsin.

"Probably two to three times a year a guy will get out. He doesn't usually come down the track. It's a little different. He might just stand there, try to get the guy's attention, flip him off or something."

Three years ago, the series suspended a driver who had tried to slam his hand into the wing of a car that was still moving.

"We're going to tell them (Friday), you get out of the car and it's not on fire, you start walking on the racetrack to another competitor, you're going to get a night off," Sinclair said.

"If anybody wants to have discussion about what more we can do, let us know, but we're starting with this."

The same rule will be in place for lower divisions that run at Wilmot, Sinclair said.

The cars that raced with the Empire Super Sprints series Saturday night at Canandaigua are essentially the same as IRA's, except with 360-cubic-inch engines rather than 410s. Most regional sprint-car sanctioning bodies and tracks use a framework of specifications and rules from the World of Outlaws, the premier national series, Sinclair said.

Sprint cars drivers have limited visibility, particularly to the right, because of the cars' construction with a containment seat designed as a protective cocoon and because of the end plate of a large wing that sits attached to the frame above the cockpit.

Opinions vary on exactly what happened Saturday, such as whether Stewart saw Ward — in a black uniform and black helmet — or whether Stewart hit the gas either to try to intimidate Ward or to try to avoid him.

"I learned something, too," Sinclair said. "After seeing what getting caught up in a right rear can do to you, I will no longer be giving signals... on the racetrack. I'm doing it all by radio now. I'm not touching the racetrack.

"My officials will be instructed not to go onto the racetrack unless it's a safety issue, and those guys are in orange fire suits. It's a different story."

Stewart has driven in races promoted by Sinclair. Although Canandaigua is a client of K&K Insurance, for which Sinclair works, the track is not his account. K&K caters to the sports and entertainment industries and started more than 60 years ago with motorsports.

Ontario County (N.Y.) Sheriff Philip C. Povero said Monday that investigation into the incident continues, but no facts at this point support filing criminal charges against Stewart.

Stewart has withdrawn from a sprint-car race Saturday in Plymouth, Ind., and has not said whether he'll return to NASCAR action this weekend in Brooklyn, Mich.

While Stewart was competing in New York on Saturday night, sprint car racing's biggest event was being contested in Knoxville, Iowa, and was won by Donny Schatz, who drives for Stewart.

Sinclair worked as an official at Knoxville, and among his duties was to communicate instructions to drivers via one-way radio.

Drivers don't have team-employed spotters the way NASCAR and Indy-car drivers to do, but most sanctioning bodies require radios over which information such as positions in the lineup and the location of trouble or safety workers is relayed.

Nearly every organization uses the same radio frequency, Sinclair said. Some drivers tuck their radios into their uniforms, while others have them mounted in their cars.

Sinclair said he had no idea of the specifics at Canandaigua, what officials saw, what instructions were given, where Ward's radio was or even if he had one. But ideally, Sinclair said, communication between officials and a driver in a similar situation would go something like this:

"The guy crashes in (Turn) 2, I would have said, 'There's a yellow in 2,' and if the guy got out of his car in a rage, hopefully you'd be telling him not to do it."

That also will be Sinclair's message Friday.


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