Trail 133 between Gay and Lac La Belle closed for good!

bryan t

Banned
I have a better Idea...just buy a couple cases of beer and invite a bunch of us sledders up for a cookout..we'll set up by your gate, and wait for the ATV riders...and beat the tar out of em...some northwoods justice...nobody dies, and minor injuries...bruises heal...lol...that might be the only thing some of those locals in the yoop understand...a good azz beatin.

Don't get me wrong..I love the U.P., and have many good friends up there, and even lived there for awhile myself..but you have some "rare birds" up there too.

Maybe you should find out if there is a local atv club..or better yet go talk to the ATV dealers in the area, and mention ur problem...they just might know who's doing it...heck they probably sold em the 4 wheelers...think about it...at the very least, he might spread the word to stay off your land...remember most atv dealers in the U.P. sell snowmobiles too...and they don't want snowmobile trails being closed because of crap like this/
 

bryan t

Banned
BTW....There is a reason we don't allow atv's on OUR snowmobile trails in northern wisconsin..it's the damage they do..and there seems to be alot more reckless drivers who go where they want, on atvs.
 

cdsprague

New member
I really don't see what you would gain by bringing a backhoe out to dig the trail out. You mentioned the ATV's were tearing up your land, what would you be dooing by digging up the trail/road? What if you want access to it with a vehicle? I would scrap that idea! But that is me!

You mentioned the spike strips, I'd be willing to bet someone ran over them and got a flat tire or two and they are pissed off now! In their minds, "game on"! I could only imagine what would happen if they pulled up and saw the road dug out. I'm sure they would have fun ripping through there. The gate didn't stop them, how is a hole going to stop them?

Go for the camera idea. It is fun for them to see what else you have done. If you could get pics or video of them and let the law enforcement issue them tickets it would stop for sure!

Good luck!
 

anonomoose

New member
I seriously cant believe all the people who in a round about way condone trespassing and property destruction on this board.
Okay...gloves off!

Go back and re-read these posts...NOBODY condones what these slobs have done to get this guy ticked off. Nobody even suggests that, so this statement is far off the mark. Many practical solutions were suggested as well as some answers that this guy might not like but are clearly good points.

Obviously the property owner is ticked, and who wouldn't be? No doubt venting helped him mentally to deal with this, and that's fine.

Going off suggesting stringing a killer wire, nail stripes, or shooting anyone for this is over the top...and about what anyone would expect from a 5th grader. It will land you into greater trouble, and only fuel the fires of anger.

There comes a time when you have to understand that fighting a group like this is senseless, and affectively pushes the buttons of those who are ready for a real fight-back attitude, and this just means that you can turn the whole piece into a swimming pool, but what did it get you? They will probably now enjoy fishing in your pond!

From the most practical sense, fighting this just doesn't make sense and only makes this guy unhappy, costs him money, and in the end, simply did a scorched earth program that frankly leaves him further away from what he wants.

I am amazed at the number of those on here who advocate grade school bully processes that would clearly land this guy in jail....meaning either they aren't really serious about their suggestions (let's all hope so) or that they are dumber than a 5th grader...I am at a lost to see this any other way.

Why fight something that you can't win? Use your head about this, and inquire like an adult unless you actually enjoy the "war games" because this is the only real approach to accomplishing what you want.

These people KNOW when you are "there" and when you are not. They had to go to great lengths to undo, what you did, and you feed this process by going bigger and badder! Makes no sense.

Now instead of recognizing that sledders "aren't the enemy here" like going home after a bad day at work to kick the dog...why take it out on sledders? Recognize the facts....you have someone who is as unhappy as you are that you have closed off the trail that THEY THINK THAT THEY ARE ENTITLED TO USE and will go to equal lengths to undo what you did and let you KNOW that they did it to YOU.

I am NOT trying to ruffle your feathers, and I understand that you recognize that these are not sledders, but are never-the-less taking it out on sledders.

Again this makes no sense.

Take the high road, unlike the suggestions by some on here, and talk to your neighbors in a friendly way, inquiring about who might be doing this, and why, and then if you find the culprit as others have suggested try to go reason with them and find an adult solution to this problem...one which will make this all go away. Meeting your neighbors, and being a friendly guy, will likely keep the neighbors will move to your side and help you catch the dummies. If that doesn't work, get proof of who it is and take them to court. Stop venting on sledders, or whacking on all the neighbors around you because these boobs got your number.

Like it or not, this is NOT an uncommon problem in a land where there are more ATVs around than sleds and where ATVs can be used 9 months of the year and sleds 3. And where your land happens to be in the path of a destination that those people need or want to get to.

If it is clear that there is no solution..and you find no satisfaction, then sell the property and relocate somewhere else...and I suggest you find a place that is far from lumber roads, and fishing streams, and anywhere an ATV might want to go lessening the chance that this would happen again. Don't buy land that is next to any trails, or bordered on 3 sides by state land, and then be surprised that people will cross your property. Location is everything, and choose the location with this fact in mind.

Also recognize that you might never find such a place. I am sure such a place exists, but they are rare for sure.
 

ubee

New member
leave a old lawnmower,chainsaw,weedwacker,axe, rake , thermos and cooler within site of the gate and whoever shows up will go the other way if it L@@KS like it involves work ! never saw anyone steal a lawnmower yet! lmfao! Got to be a long time user of the trail! Why cant everybody get along! This is why Vilas county has basically no tolerance for ATV trails to preserve snomo/landower agreements! Was this a established trail when you bought the land?
 

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let me save ya some trouble and money...did ya look up huron bay club or not? its the UP dude...you might as well take on the mafia dude....tis better to find out why and then get their blessings and come to an agreement with any locals from the UP....rare birds aint the word dude...and 200 years yes....they will defend that to the death....no traps...what if you kid did that and got wacked....not good....you just go look at what i said to look at and it will shed some light on the direction you outta go dude...whether you like what i say or me or not...you will unleash killer bees if you not careful
 
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fusion

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leave a old lawnmower,chainsaw,weedwacker,axe, rake , thermos and cooler within site of the gate and whoever shows up will go the other way if it L@@KS like it involves work ! never saw anyone steal a lawnmower yet! lmfao! Got to be a long time user of the trail! Why cant everybody get along! This is why Vilas county has basically no tolerance for ATV trails to preserve snomo/landower agreements! Was this a established trail when you bought the land?


Ubee, that is freakin disgusting! I may never set foot in the UP again if this is indicative of what I may run into. Geezuz, I wouldn't want my kid to see that, he'd be scarred for life.
 

wags

New member
Hey Professor PC I tried searching for the Huron Bay Club and found nothing, can you put a link on here for us?
 

Hoosier

Well-known member
I think this is a symptom of a larger issue the snowmobile community has to figure out how to deal with - ATVs on snowmobile trails. Landowners grant permission for snowmobile trails because (1) most snowmobilers do not hurt the land (as their footprint melts) and (2) snowmobiles operate when the land isn't being used for anything else. Of course there are idiot snowmobilers that rip up the land, but not most of them. The number of ATV riders is growing, and it's only natural that they want to use the trail system already set up for and maintained by snowmobilers. In many cases, it's the same people. Trouble is, ATVs DO impact the land and are used during the times of year that many landowners would like to enjoy their property. Just as there are idiot snowmobilers, there are idiot ATV riders. The difference is that ATVs are more apt to do damage/leave a mark and operate during different times of the year when a property owner may not want the traffic.

Obviously, this is a property rights issue. You definitely have the right to do what you want with your property in terms of access. You don't have to allow access to anyone. I hope you can find an answer that allows the snowmobile trail to remain open, but I understand if you don't.
 
Hey Professor PC I tried searching for the Huron Bay Club and found nothing, can you put a link on here for us?

YO....TONY....doan kill the messenger....i never did like the SPLITRO BROTHERS and i dont care where JIMMY HOFFA is....nuf said....he asked not me...CAPEESH

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huron_Mountain_Club

keys notes
private club whose land holdings, located in Marquette County, in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan, constitute one of the largest tracts of primeval forest in the Great Lakes region. Formed circa 1890

the Huron Mountain Club has been the site of a wide range of research in field biology and geology.

Access to club property is controlled by private security, a fact that has encouraged a certain air of mystery. The club's membership includes a number of old and influential families, predominantly from the Detroit and Chicago areas. Most memberships have remained in the same families for several generations.



http://www.bing.com/search?srch=105&FORM=AS5&q=huron+bay+mountain+club
 

frnash

Active member
Okay, I give up, what the blazes does the "huron bay mountain club", "Huron Bay Club", or even the Huron Mountain Club (Hurray, ya finally got it right, Perfesser!) have to do with this discussion anyway?

The Huron Mountain Club is located roughly roughly 5-10 miles WNW of Big Bay (or roughly 30 miles NW of Marquette), and has been there for what, roughly 120 years(?). That's roughly 30 miles from the Gay/Lac La Belle area, and totally irrelevant to this discussion!
 

Firecatguy

New member
I seriously cant believe all the people who in a round about way condone trespassing and property destruction on this board.

I second that......

Its just the way America is going tell people what and how you can live and use your property!!!!
 

xcr440

Well-known member
Nash, maybe it has to do with the PCP's ability to set up a remote internet camera in an area where there is no cell phone service so he can monitor the trespasser from his desk.......
 

united

Active member
"Its just the way America is going tell people what and how you can live and use your property!!!!"
Agree.

Sounds to me like a lot of people do condone tresspassing.


Its like Arizona.

I wonder how Landowner votes and how Tresspasser votes.

Its an abomination.
 
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snoluver1

Active member
I seriously cant believe all the people who in a round about way condone trespassing and property destruction on this board.

I guess we should condone murder for a trivial nuisance, and that would make you feel all warm and fuzzy.
Nobody condoned trespassing, some are just making the point that some fights are just not worth fighting, for many reasons.
Also, if you string up a death wire, you will not be protected by the "castle law". You will go to jail and the family of the person you killed will own your beloved property. (if they don't hunt you down and kill you)
 
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