Viper owners

[whitedust]

Whitedust , i hope your wrong about Nytro xtx . I bought a new 2013 xtx 1.75 in April as a left over for what i thought was a good deal . This is my first Yamaha and first 4 stroke . I hopeit's not too boring !

You will luv it 1.75 xtx was for the deep stuff like I said does powder very well for 4s pure Yami + powpow riding never boring!

 

[twistgrip]

Whitedust , i hope your wrong about Nytro xtx . I bought a new 2013 xtx 1.75 in April as a left over for what i thought was a good deal . This is my first Yamaha and first 4 stroke . I hopeit's not too boring !

You will love that sled it's far from boring! I have the same sled, it just keeps getting better the more miles you put on.

 

[shift08]

You will love that sled it's far from boring! I have the same sled, it just keeps getting better the more miles you put on.

Twistgrip , what have you done to your sled for upgrades or mods ? I do ride trail more then off trail . I did have a switchback assault with same track on it and loved it on trails , the hook up was amazing . Any must haves for the nytro ?

 

[Attak man]

Boy, after reading all the "experts" posts on here I guess I should have kept my twice grenaded Polaris instead of buying two new Vipers!!! Hey Kip, still got it? One thing I've learned over the years, no sled is as good as the "experts" say it is, and no sled is as bad as they say it is. And like my dad used to say, "opinions are like sssholes, everybody has one, don't waste your time trying to find one that smells good". Season's open guys, let's ride!!

X2....I couldn't agree more..I guess I am double stupid for putting 14,000 plus miles on an 07 Yamaha Attak. ...and buying an arctic cat...lol.

I honestly don't know what my next sled will be...but it will more than likely have a yamaha 4 stroke in it..wether or not it says yamaha or arctic cat on the hood...who knows??

I can tell you this...I have never changed my religion, politicsor musical taste, because of what an "expert" on the internet has told me...and I sure as heck won't be doing it when it comes to snowmobiles.

 

[xsivhp]

The last few sleds I have had were great to ride - loved the 2004 Viper S - except for the no action suspension. Rode two of them over 6 seasons. Great sleds - reliable too. 8000 + miles nothing but a few spark plugs, belts and one set of needles and seats.

Loved the motor of the 2009 Nytro XTX - but heavy and cold. I think I owned it for 45 days.

2010 Renegade with 600 etec was awesome. Hard to steer and just like the Doo I had bought 10 years earlier, engine failure.

2012 600 Switchback ProR - Blast, reliable, comfortable. Nice sled. sold it at the end of march.

Started looking for a sled that was reliable, rode decent, was light and that I could work on myself. Going to go pick up a 2003 Polaris 600 Edge with an M10 tomorrow, hopefully I will not be too disappointed. I'm trying to figure out what I should do with the $10,000 I am saving.

As far as your sled choice goes - buy a 600 or 800 etec. better ride, 200 lbs lighter, better resale, doesn't need power steering or the extra weight that comes with it, great economy -you can't go wrong. Shame on Yamaha IMO.

 

[ragex2]

Why isn't the Doo 1200 on your list? very little mention here. after 7000 miles on my 10 vec ltx i still like it but also have a 13 1200 renegade that is even better riding, lighter,and will trade wins with friends 800 Rush in drag races where the vec is far behind. burns a little more gas than vec but not much. great, solid sled and motor for me.

 

[snobuilder]

Exactly the same conundrum for me. Although this thread has put a huge dinger in my desire to pursue a '14 Viper too hard. I never pay full retail for a current sled, so you won't see me on a Viper for 11+ G's this year.
If I could just convince myself to jump on the Nytro? Just can't do it at this point. (Boils down to "too worried about resale" and less about ride quality or being cold) Even though the wife said "go do it" - go figure, that never happens. I think she said that because she knows the kid would ride, then she won't have to. Yesterday I was so close to pulling the trigger on the Nytro I even quoted the windshield, side defelectors and windsheer hand deflectors + labor to install.

I haven't even told the kid or he'd be all over me. I just have no idea where I'm going to find a MXZ Adrenaline E-Tek 6 as I've lost touch with all Doo dealers over the years. Just trying to cool it for a bit.

If you go with the nytro, does it need to be new?
You mentioned resale....if you buy a slightly used one, that $$ hit will have been taken by the previous owner....even though the Nytro is an already deeply discounted machine.

That being said, either way you buy, new or used ....if you do buy one, I'd take the $1000's you saved over the other offerings you have mentioned you're considering and buy a Skins front end kit for around $950.00. The inherent problem with the Nytro design is the ski to track location. The FE kit moves the ski spindles 3.5" forward which corrects all twitchyness the sled has from the factory and IMO makes the Nytro the sled Yamaha should have built to begin with.
I have 4000 miles on mine and think it was worth every penny.

 

[ridindirty800]

At 46 years old, I dont give a rats butt about if my 800 can beat the other brand 800, and find it hard to believe that would be a reason to buy a sled. Seams pretty silly.

Amen Skylar. I am 31 and my buddies I ride with are all about the same. When we were 18-24 ish single then maybe we were buying sleds for the speed and to beat our buddies. Now we all buy sleds for the ride and dependability as we only have so many trips and do not want down time when riding. To each their own I guess.

 

[kip]

Fusion,

Feel free to stop in and ride both the Nytro and Viper. What do you have to lose? If you don't like them then move on to something different. Test riding is always the best way to go and that's why we do it here. As this thread has clearly shown they aren't for everyone but there are many people who do like the both of them. Sold two more new Vipers yesterday. Sales on the Vipers for me are up from last year so that's a good sign as history usually shows the a 2nd year hangover.

 

[groomerdriver]

Why isn't the Doo 1200 on your list?

oops! deleted....forgot that I said I was OUT

 

[skidont]

How's the corner to corner power and what's your estimated top end? And how does it compare to the vector or any 600 you've ridden in last couple years?

It's alot of fun because of the torque , 0 to 70 is where it's at on this sled . I have traded wins with a 600 sport carb ski-doo which is about 10 hp more and I am with in 3 - 4 sled lengths of my old 2012 600 etec renegade in a long run . mpg's about the same as the old etec , I see about 95 on speedo so maybe 85 - 88 top end . I feel the rear is so good I am going back to a short track , only go off trail if I miss the corner LOL

 

[skidont]

Also It does have about 2100 miles on it now so hitting at about 98 hp with break in being done , like an old MXZ 583 with torque is what it reminds me of

 

[buddah2]

........As this thread has clearly shown they aren't for everyone but there are many people who do like the both of them. Sold two more new Vipers yesterday. Sales on the Vipers for me are up from last year so that's a good sign as history usually shows the a 2nd year hangover.

To add to that my comments from earlier were primarily to address the comments that the Viper is an absolute pig. I could really care which sled will beat which in a race. I'm too old & fat to care. BUT my '14 XTX has as much power as an original Apex and weighs about 100 lb less with a good ride. Now if I could only lose the other 100 lb...........

 

[ragex2]

oops! deleted....forgot that I said I was OUT

Doo tell, don't be shy. after 20,000 miles experience on Yam 4str, I was impressed with the renegade, right from the start. all without much tuning, shock rebuilds, ski replacement, wheel kits, etc. The 1200s running quality is equal and power is stronger than 1050. I'm a Yam guy forever, not knocking Yam, but 1200 renegade is a worthy competitor

 

[fusion]

What great feedback from everyone on this thread. Just great info. I'm starting to like that ACE the more and more I hear. If it's that close to a 600 in performance it's good enough for me. Really would like to get back on a Doo, been a long time since that MXZ670. Love to consider the 1200 Mxz shorty but they are so rare to find low mile used and dealers don't have non currents sitting around. I guess people like them cause they sure don't sell em. I may just make an adventure out of it during Christmas vac and run up to Greenland and ride the Viper and Nytro. I've never done the test drive first because I'm a working fool desk jockey that never has time. Yeah I complained about 4-stroke advice received here but I'm not that deluded to think anyone but myself is responsible for what I buy. I just like giving WD and the AC boys a little gas.

Kip, do you have any customers over 50 riding Nytro's? I appreciate your input. (Oh yeah - I wish I was still 50 but I ain't tellin)

 

[whitedust]

What great feedback from everyone on this thread. Just great info. I'm starting to like that ACE the more and more I hear. If it's that close to a 600 in performance it's good enough for me. Really would like to get back on a Doo, been a long time since that MXZ670. Love to consider the 1200 Mxz shorty but they are so rare to find low mile used and dealers don't have non currents sitting around. I guess people like them cause they sure don't sell em. I may just make an adventure out of it during Christmas vac and run up to Greenland and ride the Viper and Nytro. I've never done the test drive first because I'm a working fool desk jockey that never has time. Yeah I complained about 4-stroke advice received here but I'm not that deluded to think anyone but myself is responsible for what I buy. I just like giving WD and the AC boys a little gas.

Kip, what's your experience and customer feedback on the ACE 900, how many do you sell and do you have any guys over 50 riding Nytro's? I know a lot to consider but I appreciate whatever time you can put into writing. (Oh yeah - I wish I was still 50 but I ain't tellin)

Same here tried to figure out where 900 Ace fit in doo line since I like 4s. The programable key would be useless to me I would want all the hp available but super feature to control young teens & maybe help mom out too. I don't care about mid 20s mpg nice to have but I'm all about the ponies so that Ace feature faded. I asked cooksend from Trackside & he hit the 900 Ace market on the head. 900 Ace is for riders "in general" that will not "fully" use the hp & performance of the 600 etec....now that made perfect sense to me & for those type of riders perfect 4s engine to sled blend. Both Trackside & Lando rec invited me to test ride 900 Ace but I didn't want to waste their factory demo time on me just not interested in that type of sled. At Lando Rec Ben offered to let me take his 900Ace on the trails more of a Pat's demo approach but I never did since Ben wanted my feed back so I feel kind of bad about missing that one. Anywho 900 Ace a nice package just not what I'm looking for. As far the 1200 doo 4s I have time on GSX & it is a fine sled the new edrive clutch helped the 1200 a lot & was a much needed improvement. GSX handled really well but I can't deal with the straight handle bars have to have hooks.Doo 1200 stuck on 15mpg & Apex same mpg & bunch more poines plus has hooks so had to be a 1200 Gade but by the time I did the gade my way Apex XTX was the better deal with all the features stock. I still think you have to ride the sled you want to buy all so different with the Nytro the most raw & outrageous of the sleds you asked about.

 

[kip]

Fusion,

If you're up in a age I think the Ace would suit you better. Nytro is pretty aggressive and I think it would wear your body down throughout the day. Just trying to shoot you straight. Viper would be better suited for and even better the Vector LTX would be really good.

 

[whitedust]

Not to hijack the thread but not many years ago it was difficult on JD for anyone to say anything positive about any brand 4s sled. All you would hear is any 4s is a heavy ill handling pig & you will have to pry my cold dead fingers off my 2s sled. lol I will never ever buy any 4s sled.

Seems that 4s sleds have improved with lots of model offerings & lots of good user information to consider. Good to see the market being more open minded about the subject.

 

[momoney2123]

Fusion,

If you're up in a age I think the Ace would suit you better. Nytro is pretty aggressive and I think it would wear your body down throughout the day. Just trying to shoot you straight. Viper would be better suited for and even better the Vector LTX would be really good.

Good man, easy to see what your so respected on this site.

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Not to hijack the thread but not many years ago it was difficult on JD for anyone to say anything positive about any brand 4s sled. All you would hear is any 4s is a heavy ill handling pig & you will have to pry my cold dead fingers off my 2s sled. lol I will never ever buy any 4s sled.

Seems that 4s sleds have improved with lots of model offerings & lots of good user information to consider. Good to see the market being more open minded about the subject.

They have come a long way and the future looks bright. But im weird and holding onto the 2 strokes as long as I possibly can.

 

[fusion]

If the ACE is comparable to a 500 Pol liquid, prob not interested . I'm old but I work out so I can still ride it like I stole it at least 50% of the day.
Yeah the Nytro is outrageous but that's me. I like performance even if I only use it 50% of the time. Vector fun but been there done that.
I like having something the average sledder doesn't have. Take that Rush ProR not many guys my age on that sled but shocks and ride are amazing and performance good enough.
Now I'm gonna go buy the Nytro because you profiled me as an LTX rider. LOL.
Not a big fan of long tracks. Can't throw them through the twisty trail like a shorty - more maneuverable.
I DID NOT take offense to the "old" reference I'm just messin with you.
Port Yam took one look at me and said the same thing. (No Nytro for you)
And I came back a year later and bought an ApexLTX GT. After buying a Vector GT the year before.