Viper owners

groomerdriver

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Woa there Mr. Dealer. This is not a Yamaha chassis....it's a Cat chassis.

Just want to keep things accurate here.

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Not mistaken at all. Combined technology and with the Yamaha badging I would have to say it's Yamaha's best chassis to date regardless of who built it. How come no one get's corrected when they say that the 800 Cat motor is their best to date? It's a Suzuki. Just saying. ;)

Spoken through a true dealers eyes..... :)

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I could get on board a Yammi engine in a Poo chassis!! Honda would work too. ;)

Been wishing for a Yammi'esque 4s in a Poo for a longgggg time.

Whitedust - I'm not going to bother debating you. Enjoy your day. :)
 

powderburner

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I don't like the 700 comparison. Used to own an F7 and have ridden an EDGE 700 a little bit and I'm confident saying either of those sleds will spank a Viper.
 

momoney2123

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I don't like the 700 comparison. Used to own an F7 and have ridden an EDGE 700 a little bit and I'm confident saying either of those sleds will spank a Viper.

Yep no doubt an F7 would. There is a reason the vipers and 1200 doo's run in the 600 class in most sanctioned radar runs and drag races. Last year at a radar run i was at 600's were a few MPH more than the vipers in 660 feet.

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Yep no doubt an F7 would. There is a reason the vipers and 1200 doo's run in the 600 class in most sanctioned radar runs and drag races. Last year at a radar run i was at 600's were a few MPH more than the vipers in 660 feet.

The good running 800's were almost 10mph faster in 660
 

switch07

Member
Back to the original question, I have heard that the Viper pulls very hard but doesn't have a great top end. Is that due to clutching/gearing? I have heard that it is comparable to a 700 (or apparently an old school switchbacks 600). Also heard it wakes up after extended break in, which is quite a few miles for a 4 stroke.

Be interested how the 15's do since the 14's were the 1st year models

Well I aiming to find out how they ride this weekend. Don't care at all about top speed at my age. Just want dependibity and good corner to corner fun.
 
G

G

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We are lucky to have 4 choices. There can't be much money to be made selling sleds. Poo and Yami sure don't need sleds to remain in business. Looking back 10 years I have to believe that 'Doo has the most $ into R@D with their motors and R-Motion and whatever else. They are setting the pace it seems to me. Yammi pretty much standing still with Apex and Vector for the last ten years. AC is trying as hard as they can but they don't have the deep pockets of 'Doo. Pol coming round after a rocky decade. There are still a boatload of Poo faithful still riding XC's around from when Poo was the best seller. Lots of Switchbacks too. The YamiCAt is just the first conglomeration we will see. It's a money thing. Just not a big enough market.
 

Attak man

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I don't like the 700 comparison. Used to own an F7 and have ridden an EDGE 700 a little bit and I'm confident saying either of those sleds will spank a Viper.

I said 700..because the Viper is 130 HP which is about 5-8 hp more than most of the 600s...I realize some of the old 700's were over 140 HP (F-7, SRX...etc)...maybe they are more in between a 600 and a 700?? I know with the exception of last year(indy 600)...the Vector had won the 600 class shootout, two years in a row..same motor in a lighter chassis in the Viper..must be the way Cat is calibrating the EFI (running on 87 octane vs 91??)....I agree an F7...would and should beat a Viper

For those of us that aren't really concerned with racing or top speed...I would think the Viper would be a nice trail sled...though...I would really like to know how a Viper runs against a Vector...which one is faster?? (I know I said it doesn't matter...just curious...lol)... I know the vector kicks the Vipers butt in fuel economy...my buddies 2014 Vector was getting 18 MPG last march, and another friend with a Viper said he was only getting 13 MPG.

For me...I love the Yami triple 4 stroke...I am having a hard time trying to decide between the Viper and the Vector...everybody I know with a vector absolutely loves them...I like the styling of the viper better...and that's the dilema for many of us...do we buy an outdated chassis with a great motor...or the new style that seems to under perform??
 

evinruderacer

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I own a 2014 Viper XTX. Put 1600 miles on it last year.

Here's my take: The hot restart problem on the Viper was just poor engineering. The re-flash should not have been necessary. This is basic stuff. If there's a problem in development and test, it needs to be considered statistically significant, but design engineers aren't trained in statistics so they don't see that an anomaly in development is a warning of a potential widespread production fault. They didn't overlook it, they just ignored it and hoped it would be OK. They rushed the release and sent sleds out the door knowing full well they weren't yet dialed in. I'm an engineer and I know how this goes. I see it almost every day. It was a choice, not a mistake. So mine is still waiting for the reflash or whatever it is they're doing.
Second, loose nut in the steering column caused loose steering. That's was just sloppy, undisciplined assembly. You have to tighten stuff when you put things together. Train the production people and hold them accountable.
The ride quality of the XTX skid is pretty lousy. Tried everything. Installed Hygear linkage kit, and hoping this will improve things.
It's annoying that it won't build oil pressure after you tip it over to make a suspension adjustment. Probably have to install a roll over valve with re-prime kit.
Stock skis and runners make the sled darty. Slim Jim Dually's fixed that.
A Nytro will absolutely lay waste to a Viper. That part was disappointing.

So that's the bad. The good is that I love the ride, and once the engine starts, it is flawless. The torque is what makes it fun. It's heavier and that sucks off trail, but on trail it is absolutely superior. I can stay in the throttle and don't have the nagging thought in the back of my head telling me I should back off before I blow it up like I did on every 2-stroke that I've ever had. Real or not, it makes the ride less stressful for me. It's great on gas, and I always have extra money in my pocket after a long weekend of riding. No oil use, no smoke, no smell. Pull up to the pumps, throw in the cheapest fuel they've got, go get a coffee, and watch while everyone else waits in line for premium. I have kids going into college and this was my last sled purchase for the next 15,000 miles of my snowmobiling life, so I need it to last. I can do maintenance and replace a lot of parts, but I'd rather not have to get nervous that I need to top end the motor at 5000 miles like I did on every other 2 stroke I've ever had.

My buddy has an AC XF 800 High Country. Same chassis and suspension more or less, but his has a 800 EFI 2stroke and a mountain lug 141" track. On the trail, mine is smoother, calmer, slightly slower on top end, comparable to 60mph or so in a drag race, but uses way less fuel and no oil. My cost to ride is half of his, and my range is way better. Off trail it's no contest, the 2-stroke is lighter and he has serious track under his. Now he installed a Y-pipe and a bunch of other hp stuff, so pretty sure he'll kick my butt. Other than a turbo or the as yet unproven and stupid expensive exhaust systems, I'm kinda stuck where I'm at but frankly I'm happy with the power anyway.

I like my Viper and I have absolutely no buyers remorse. I'd buy one again without hesitation.
 

Banks93

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I would say the major difference between the Viper and the Vector are the seating position. If you ride aggressive you want the Viper seating, if you trail cruise you would like the Vector seating.

The EPS on the vector makes it a lighter handling sled.
 

evinruderacer

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I don't like my knees above my hips ever. It's just not body friendly. I find it hard to believe anyone is more comfortable on a lower seat with their knees way bent. I don't sit in my office chair that way, why would I sit that way on a sled?
 

buddah2

Member
.....A Nytro will absolutely lay waste to a Viper.

Not so fast there my friend.......a lot of guys are making some very mild modifications(less than $500) and have Vipers that will hang with most 800s up to any speed..........I'm also of the group that believes you really shouldn't have to mod a sled to make it perform but Yamaha is notorious for leaving a lot of performance on the table for durability's sake, the notable exception to that being the SRX 700s.
 

momoney2123

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Not so fast there my friend.......a lot of guys are making some very mild modifications(less than $500) and have Vipers that will hang with most 800s up to any speed..........I'm also of the group that believes you really shouldn't have to mod a sled to make it perform but Yamaha is notorious for leaving a lot of performance on the table for durability's sake, the notable exception to that being the SRX 700s.

That goes for any sled their chief. If u kno what ur doing for under 500 u can make any sled much faster than box stock.
 

indy_500

Well-known member
I said 700..because the Viper is 130 HP which is about 5-8 hp more than most of the 600s.

The polaris 600 is sitting at 130 also, 10 years ago most 700's were hovering around 140 horse, it is simply a 600 class sled do not overthink it LOL
 

srt20

Active member
Not so fast there my friend.......a lot of guys are making some very mild modifications(less than $500) and have Vipers that will hang with most 800s up to any speed..........I'm also of the group that believes you really shouldn't have to mod a sled to make it perform but Yamaha is notorious for leaving a lot of performance on the table for durability's sake, the notable exception to that being the SRX 700s.
Ok, and put $500 into the 800 and watch it spank the viper again.

Apples to apples?
 

groomerdriver

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Not so fast there my friend.......a lot of guys are making some very mild modifications(less than $500) and have Vipers that will hang with most 800s up to any speed..........I'm also of the group that believes you really shouldn't have to mod a sled to make it perform but Yamaha is notorious for leaving a lot of performance on the table for durability's sake, the notable exception to that being the SRX 700s.

Sorry buddah but got to disagree when it comes to an old (carb) or new (EFI) Vector. They didn't leave anything on the table that <$500 will cure.
 

buddah2

Member
I think buddah2 missed a zero $5000 for a turbo kit.

$3295 MSRP...........but who ever pays THAT anyway.........

you guys are missing the point.......I was "talking" to whoever made the point about a Nytro walking a Viper.......same motor to same motor.......it's all about the restrictive, serpentine exhaust on the Viper......the Nytro has a significant advantage in the exhaust that goes directly out the back........

Now if I wanted to add the extra zero on there I can get it up to somewhere close to 180 hp normally aspirated and still running on 87 octane WITHOUT modifying the motor at all........

but, again, I personally don't have any interest in that much.......it's just that mine will run MUCH better than an "off the shelf" model..........
 

powderburner

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Well I aiming to find out how they ride this weekend. Don't care at all about top speed at my age. Just want dependibity and good corner to corner fun.

Dependability and Arctic Cat just don't go together. It sucks, but that's the way it is.

If you want a dependable sled and you really don't care about speed then you should consider the 900 ACE.
 
I own a 2014 Viper XTX. Put 1600 miles on it last year.

Here's my take: The hot restart problem on the Viper was just poor engineering. The re-flash should not have been necessary. This is basic stuff. If there's a problem in development and test, it needs to be considered statistically significant, but design engineers aren't trained in statistics so they don't see that an anomaly in development is a warning of a potential widespread production fault. They didn't overlook it, they just ignored it and hoped it would be OK. They rushed the release and sent sleds out the door knowing full well they weren't yet dialed in. I'm an engineer and I know how this goes. I see it almost every day. It was a choice, not a mistake. So mine is still waiting for the reflash or whatever it is they're doing.
Second, loose nut in the steering column caused loose steering. That's was just sloppy, undisciplined assembly. You have to tighten stuff when you put things together. Train the production people and hold them accountable.
The ride quality of the XTX skid is pretty lousy. Tried everything. Installed Hygear linkage kit, and hoping this will improve things.
It's annoying that it won't build oil pressure after you tip it over to make a suspension adjustment. Probably have to install a roll over valve with re-prime kit.
Stock skis and runners make the sled darty. Slim Jim Dually's fixed that.
A Nytro will absolutely lay waste to a Viper. That part was disappointing.

So that's the bad. The good is that I love the ride, and once the engine starts, it is flawless. The torque is what makes it fun. It's heavier and that sucks off trail, but on trail it is absolutely superior. I can stay in the throttle and don't have the nagging thought in the back of my head telling me I should back off before I blow it up like I did on every 2-stroke that I've ever had. Real or not, it makes the ride less stressful for me. It's great on gas, and I always have extra money in my pocket after a long weekend of riding. No oil use, no smoke, no smell. Pull up to the pumps, throw in the cheapest fuel they've got, go get a coffee, and watch while everyone else waits in line for premium. I have kids going into college and this was my last sled purchase for the next 15,000 miles of my snowmobiling life, so I need it to last. I can do maintenance and replace a lot of parts, but I'd rather not have to get nervous that I need to top end the motor at 5000 miles like I did on every other 2 stroke I've ever had.

My buddy has an AC XF 800 High Country. Same chassis and suspension more or less, but his has a 800 EFI 2stroke and a mountain lug 141" track. On the trail, mine is smoother, calmer, slightly slower on top end, comparable to 60mph or so in a drag race, but uses way less fuel and no oil. My cost to ride is half of his, and my range is way better. Off trail it's no contest, the 2-stroke is lighter and he has serious track under his. Now he installed a Y-pipe and a bunch of other hp stuff, so pretty sure he'll kick my butt. Other than a turbo or the as yet unproven and stupid expensive exhaust systems, I'm kinda stuck where I'm at but frankly I'm happy with the power anyway.

I like my Viper and I have absolutely no buyers remorse. I'd buy one again without hesitation.

After reading through nearly 100 posts, this is one of the only ones that makes good sense. An unbiased opinion from someone who has actually logged good miles on this sled. Most of the replies on here seem to be from people who have never ridden one or put a just a few miles on one at a dealer demo. Useful information...thanks! I seriously considered getting a Viper but chose to stay with Polaris this time. I may still look at a Viper for my next sled.
 
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fusion

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For me...I love the Yami triple 4 stroke...I am having a hard time trying to decide between the Viper and the Vector...everybody I know with a vector absolutely loves them...I like the styling of the viper better...and that's the dilema for many of us...do we buy an outdated chassis with a great motor...or the new style that seems to under perform??

Exactly the same conundrum for me. Although this thread has put a huge dinger in my desire to pursue a '14 Viper too hard. I never pay full retail for a current sled, so you won't see me on a Viper for 11+ G's this year.
If I could just convince myself to jump on the Nytro? Just can't do it at this point. (Boils down to "too worried about resale" and less about ride quality or being cold) Even though the wife said "go do it" - go figure, that never happens. I think she said that because she knows the kid would ride, then she won't have to. Yesterday I was so close to pulling the trigger on the Nytro I even quoted the windshield, side defelectors and windsheer hand deflectors + labor to install.

I haven't even told the kid or he'd be all over me. I just have no idea where I'm going to find a MXZ Adrenaline E-Tek 6 as I've lost touch with all Doo dealers over the years. Just trying to cool it for a bit.
 

momoney2123

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I haven't even told the kid or he'd be all over me. I just have no idea where I'm going to find a MXZ Adrenaline E-Tek 6 as I've lost touch with all Doo dealers over the years. Just trying to cool it for a bit.

Call around you might find one! I know my dealer is completely sold out of Etec's already but still had a few ACE's left.
 
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