What is top speed ace 900???

[momoney2123]

Bought a 2013 gsx se 1200 new, wouldn't start 2nd trip, elec truoble, killed stranded, of course started at dealer, no computer code so I was charged for warranty work on a 2 week old sled. Never reliable, 4 dealers couldn't fix. Traded 2013 in on 2014 with best ever r-motion suspension, 2013 had a better ride than "best ever" r-motion. I posted a few threads on jdee site trying to get info on how to set up susp as no dealers or Val court helped. Diff springs on back, all combinations of air susp torsion and center shock settings.. my brother has a 2013 that runs and when we switch sleds there's a big difference. His rides way better. At least the 2014 runs... 7500 miles on it. A couple side notes : experts at Valcourt customer service recommendation was to replace shocks with renegade xrs shocks. They didn't even know the gsx se has an air ride suspension... I called every dealer in msp and some in wi and no one has any experience on this sled. Very dissapointing and frustrating. The folks that own these usually lIke them. Most guys on the r-motion anything are comparing them to an old school pre rider forward sled and I'm comparing mine to the same sled with the sc-5. I could go on and on even more than I have. I'll spare you all and stop lol!!
In a nutshell, I'm pist I got a new unreliable lemon that left me standed and "expert" brp dealers couldn't fix.. then I "traded up" and got a worse ride...
But for now lets worry about getting some snow for God's sakes!!
Merry Christmas everyone!!

How much do you weigh?

the air ride is different than the R-motion...

ive ridden a 2011 and 2014 gsx 1200 but I weight 200lbs, I went softer on air ride and man..plush...like a cloud. could see in big bumps id rather run traditional r-motion. but smooth trail it was smooooth

I thought 2013's and 14's have indentical suspensions....likely one was not set for you or how u ride

 

[dickmsp]

How much do you weigh?

the air ride is different than the R-motion...

ive ridden a 2011 and 2014 gsx 1200 but I weight 200lbs, I went softer on air ride and man..plush...like a cloud. could see in big bumps id rather run traditional r-motion. but smooth trail it was smooooth

I thought 2013's and 14's have indentical suspensions....likely one was not set for you or how u ride

2013 sc-5 with air ride system. 2014 R-motion with air ride system. The 2 stroke shorty sleds I've test driven with r-motion: tnt ace 900, gsx le ace 900 and mxz xrs 800 e-tec. Didn't feel any different from sc-5 in short track ski doos I've owned and ridden. Exception is my 2014 gsx se 1200 r-motion has a worse ride than my brother's 2013 gsx se 1200 with sc-5 suspension. R-motion on 2014 and newer has 3 idler wheels by center shock, sc-5 has 2 idler wheels at center shock. I've worn out my 1st suspension wrench that came in the sled's tool kit. I never wanted to become a ski doo suspension engineer, but after 3500 miles on my 2013 and 7500 miles on my P O S 2014 I'm qualified. Next course of action is giving Gerard Kanarpik in international falls a call!! ( he's the guy that invented the M-10 suspension and Blade snowmobiles I think )

 

[sjb]

Agree you don't buy a new sled to have problems like that. Yamaha suppose to have new platforms for 2017 probably want to take a look if waiting til Spring for a new ride.

I have had almost zero issues with my yamaha sleds and often put 5000-10000 miles before selling. They have NEVER left me stranded. I continue to look at the BRP products and at one point in time will probably purchase one. I wish Yamaha would step up the game (like we have been promised for years) on something new. BRP, imho, holds the candle on innovation year to year. Just these stories, and my good luck with yami make me hesitant.

 

[groomerdriver]

I have had almost zero issues with my yamaha sleds and often put 5000-10000 miles before selling. They have NEVER left me stranded. I continue to look at the BRP products and at one point in time will probably purchase one. I wish Yamaha would step up the game (like we have been promised for years) on something new. BRP, imho, holds the candle on innovation year to year. Just these stories, and my good luck with yami make me hesitant.

Anybody can get a lemon or one that can't be tuned to their liking.

 

[dickmsp]

True. Wish I could pick lottery numbers as frequently lol!!!
Anyway, just talked to a dealer, got a 75 mph top speed estimate for stock ace 900. I don't want to monkey around with reflash and new clutch, I'll just get a 1200 or yamacat. Not much of a price diff now with a ton of holdover sleds. Heinens in msp has 2015 vipers for $8900..

 

[jebjk1]

True. Wish I could pick lottery numbers as frequently lol!!!
Anyway, just talked to a dealer, got a 75 mph top speed estimate for stock ace 900. I don't want to monkey around with reflash and new clutch, I'll just get a 1200 or yamacat. Not much of a price diff now with a ton of holdover sleds. Heinens in msp has 2015 vipers for $8900..

The speed limit in MN is 50 mph. So you'll be fine with the ACE 900. Only issue is if you go to their states to ride, and want to go 100 mph... Then you'd be SOL.

 

[momoney2123]

True. Wish I could pick lottery numbers as frequently lol!!!
Anyway, just talked to a dealer, got a 75 mph top speed estimate for stock ace 900. I don't want to monkey around with reflash and new clutch, I'll just get a 1200 or yamacat. Not much of a price diff now with a ton of holdover sleds. Heinens in msp has 2015 vipers for $8900..

After owning a 1200, i wish you luck with the viper. I cant help but think you will be disapointed.

Not sure if you have a lemon but I have not heard of 1 person who does not like their r-motion or air-ride.

The SC-5 is a good suspenion owned 2 of them, but they cant hold a pot of water to the R-motion especially when it gets bumpy.

Friend had bone stock 900 ace up to 93 on speedometer last weekend so probably more like 83-85mph

you cant tell it only has 90hp in the tight twistys...feels more like a 600 until you get over 60

 

[old abe]

You had a bad time with the Doo's. Go with either of the YamaCat's. I don't understand your R-motion trouble. I have never heard this from anyone else. They are so easy to set up. You just can't get a bad ride on them.

 

[groomerdriver]

I wish you luck with the viper. I cant help but think you will be VERY disappointed.

Not sure if you have a lemon but I have not heard of 1 person who does not like their r-motion or air-ride.

Go over to the Totallyyamaha.com site/SR Viper forum and read about the non-stop problems with the Viper. I too have not heard anybody complain about the air-ride or R-motion.

 

[dickmsp]

What sleds are you guys comparing air ride r-motion to? I had a 2013 gsx se 1200 that wouldn't run, traded it in on the 2014 that runs but has a night and day worse ride with r-motion than the 2013 with air susp and sc5. Again, my brother has a 2013 gsx se 1200 sc5 air susp and when we switch sleds, there's a night and day difference. Oh, the air shock failed on my 2014 and had to be replaced. I was hoping ride would improve but it didnt.

 

[momoney2123]

What sleds are you guys comparing air ride r-motion to? I had a 2013 gsx se 1200 that wouldn't run, traded it in on the 2014 that runs but has a night and day worse ride with r-motion than the 2013 with air susp and sc5. Again, my brother has a 2013 gsx se 1200 sc5 air susp and when we switch sleds, there's a night and day difference. Oh, the air shock failed on my 2014 and had to be replaced. I was hoping ride would improve but it didnt.

What do you mean wouldnt run? Was the problem every diagnosed?

The air ride ive ridden was amazing. You should try and test ride another one and see if its ur sled or you. With the endless amount of adjustments you can make basically while riding i duno how you cant find a zone that makes you happy. This question should goo on dootalk ton of info on setting up any suspenion over there.

Friends and family members have 1200s and everyone loves them. They are switching more 2 stroke followers than anything ive seen . The guys on dootalk love them and most came from either a viper, apex or cat turbo and said its night and day.

 

[dickmsp]

2nd trip with new 2013, hit start, no cranking over, eventually it started, took it to a doo dealer, of course it started up and ran fine, I was charged for warranty diagnosis because there was no computer code! Sled was 2 weeks old!! Would kill, intermittent prob, after 5 trips to shop one dealer replaced dess plug on dash. Bought it new mid of Feb 2013. Was able to put 3500 miles on it by april, traded it in for spring order 2014 gsx se with best ever r-motion...

 

[old abe]

I only have have Non "air-ride" know how. SC-1 thruSC-5, R-Motion. SC-5 and R-Motion both very, very good. R-Motion so easy to set. Very forgiving to changing trail conditions, and bottoming out. I have been very satisfied with all the Doo rear skids I have had from the first "SC" series skid on. As they progressed, they improved the performance. Also very good durability, as we put a lot of miles on our sleds. Your rear skid complaints I have not heard before. Doo has sold a large amount of sleds due to the ability, and quality of the ride. It doesn't sound as if you will be happy with another Doo as to all your complaints you have with them.

 

[momoney2123]

2nd trip with new 2013, hit start, no cranking over, eventually it started, took it to a doo dealer, of course it started up and ran fine, I was charged for warranty diagnosis because there was no computer code! Sled was 2 weeks old!! Would kill, intermittent prob, after 5 trips to shop one dealer replaced dess plug on dash. Bought it new mid of Feb 2013. Was able to put 3500 miles on it by april, traded it in for spring order 2014 gsx se with best ever r-motion...

no cranking over in my books=electrical connection. when you said not running right I was thinking engine/clutch. nothing to do with not cranking over whether bad connection or low bat. Also sounds like your dealer isn't much help and I would not be satisified if they didn't believe what you told them about not starting, code or not(Even tho the system should record that ). heck my dealer warrantied a battery for me on a 2 year old sled without hooking squat up, just by me saying it cranks a little slow in morning when its below zero, within 10 minutes had a new battery installed. Have you tried reaching out to people on dootalk about your suspension settings, or found a similar story or complaint? how much do you weigh?

I agree as well if you cant get the r-motion to work for you on trail please try a viper or cat and report back

 

[momoney2123]

Also what are you having issues with? Id guess steering?

Here is one example of thread on dootalk about ur sled. Many more use search function

http://www.dootalk.com/forums/topic/696994-14-gsx-se-1200-r-motion-suspension-setup/

 

[dickmsp]

Thanks for the link, but I've tried everything. Wish I coulda kept my 2013 sc5 equipped gsx se 1200. Just have to face the fact the 2014 doesnt have as good of a ride. My biggest concern now is if we can ever get decent snow this season!!
I'm crossing my fingers for this coming week. Hopefully we'll get enough snow so the trails get rough and I can complain about the r-motion some more!!!

 

[whitedust]

****msp go by Pat's & test ride the new single shot rear skid on both 16 Vector & Apex & let us know what you think. Supposed to be plush to the max but have not had my butt on one yet so I can't say 1st person but you can.

 

[xcsp]

Thanks for the link, but I've tried everything. Wish I coulda kept my 2013 sc5 equipped gsx se 1200. Just have to face the fact the 2014 doesnt have as good of a ride. My biggest concern now is if we can ever get decent snow this season!!
I'm crossing my fingers for this coming week. Hopefully we'll get enough snow so the trails get rough and I can complain about the r-motion some more!!!

Have you tried changing the mounting location of the rear skid shock on the "rocker" mount? See page 96 (?) in your owner's manual for reference. This mounting location has 2 different locations to mount the rod end of the shock, may be worth a shot to try. (I haven't tried it on my 900.)

Manual states by changing the position will give a softer ride.

 

[old abe]

I don't think he would be happy with a Vector, or Apex, as he is coming from "rider forward" sleds. The YamaCat chassis should be more to his liking/norm. And, yes the rear shock mount holes could help. Most people don't ever know they are able to change the mounting point on the rear shock. Here again, I'm not sure on the "air ride" being this way. It is sure worth checking into.

 

[whitedust]

I don't think he would be happy with a Vector, or Apex, as he is coming from "rider forward" sleds. The YamaCat chassis should be more to his liking/norm. And, yes the rear shock mount holes could help. Most people don't ever know they are able to change the mounting point on the rear shock. Here again, I'm not sure on the "air ride" being this way. It is sure worth checking into.

I guess it is personal preference. Coming off Apex XTX I'm very comfortable on doos very little adjustment for me but more so on the Viper & Axys seats. To me lots to do with what your like & what you are used to. Maybe it is my riser pulls me up tight to tank on Apex XTX where an aggressive rider should be.