groomerdriver
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Better make sure you sell it before the warranty expires. Repairs won't be cheap!
What is top speed ace 900???
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Better make sure you sell it before the warranty expires. Repairs won't be cheap!
Purchasing price will be up there too but nothing cheap about ACE anyway.
momoney2123
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Both wont be released. Both are being tested, which one they feel is most reliable should be coming soon.
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This is supposedly going to replace the 1200
momoney2123
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Ace cheaper than 600 ETEC and less than competitor 4 strokes. Suprised as they arent cheap to make.
Doo will never bring a 4 stroke in the 160-170hp range to steal sales from the 800etecs aka their cash cow
groomerdriver
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That's true! Remember back in day (jeez I sound old!) when a 440cc 2S dual carb was "high tech"? One could have the carbs off and the engine out and in pieces in 45 minutes? LOL!
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(Don't mean to hijack this thread Richard!) Local guy in one of the clubs I belong to trades every two or three years. He got bored of his 1200 4S and went back to the 800 2S. More of a "fun factor" thing for him. I can relate!
momoney2123
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I agree give me a 2 stroke. 1200s are fun tho
Rotax has used both turbo's, and superchargers for years. Each has it's own advantage. Weight/reliability. Same as 2 stroke, 4 stroke. 4 stroke's weight limits it's use. 2 stroke less reliable, but light weight offers many more uses. I doubt I live to see Ski Doo drop the 2 strokers in snowmobiles. The ace 4 stokes handle very close to the 2 stroke sleds. None of the other 4 strokes come close.
No prob hijacking quote!! But now I want to test drive the 2 stroke renegades and blizzards!!! It's gonna be a busy couple a weeks... OMG how the heck did you older guys decide what sled to buy back in the early '70's with 50 + snowmobile manufacturers and all their different model sleds??? I'd need a long vacation at the funny farm trying to decide!!!!
momoney2123
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You wont find a better handling and ride package than a 2 stroke doo. Ive ridden them all and nothing can match it. Some are getting closer, just not totally there IMO. It does it all. Doos weak point was front end and now with RAS 2 its a total package. I didnt think it was big deal but ride a 14 and 15 back to back thru bumps or high speed coners. While the 2 strokes will never have the longterm reliability of a 4 stroke, the 4 year warranty eases any worry. Our group has owned over 20 etecs none having engine issue, one had water pump fail that was warrantied. The current chassis and engines are dialed in. Anyone who says otherwise would be innaccurate. Not one rotax engine is a bad choice right now. 800etecs are as fun as it gets. The 16 800 is the fastest bone stock sled i have ever ridden. Clutching from factory was very immpressive on the X 129 track. Little to no vibration like other big twins and twins of the past.
Easy for me big mile trail & some Frs very bad luck with 2s meltdowns doo 800 was the worse for me back in 2005. 4s best for me so Yamaha Apex XTX need the 144 track for loose powder. 5 of us riding Yamahas for 10 years now for 10s of Thousands of miles no one had any failure of any kind. If you ride a 1000 miles a year take your chances with injected 2s & trade up every 3 years. We buy 4s Yamahas ride the chit out of them & keep them... super good sleds for us.
momoney2123
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Engines arent even in the same realm as 2005 series 3's. Id bet on an etec no problem until about 7k-ish, then like any 2 stroke time to think about re-building..which if you do it preventively is cheap..couple hundred bucks. altho lots of guys getting 10k+ outa etecs. like i said 4 year bumper to bumper=no worries. put on 2500 miles on so far an what a blast. they need a new chassis for the apex!! that thing is like riding a mach Z from 05...love the engine tho!
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There's a reason you can't find used low mile E-Tecs around, or non-current leftovers. Been looking for months. Apex and Vector chassis are both outdated/tired. Not to mention the RIDICULOUS price of oil changes at dealers. I guess you like that too? I've seen $150+ for oil/filter. I can buy 3 gallons of 2-stroke oil for that. Takes 15 seconds to add 2-str oil, vs. 90 minute oil change.
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2011 & above Apex with snowtrackers just fine with eps for twistys & power cruising UP trails Frs whatever...very comfortable point & shoot sleds. Doos alright too but etec not for me or any 2s really. We have discussed this before I do not have time for checking plugs ,adding oil all the stuff you have to do with 2s. I put the key in Apex XTX with eps & ride then park when done, put gas in when needed just like a car gas & go no wrenching for me....4s the only way for me now.
Don't know what you are talking Pat's does my service & I use M1 oil? Tech drains oil end of each season, filter good for 12K miles puts new oil in see ya next year plus I'm going 7000K miles on duponts. How in the world is that expensive? lol
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Filter needs changing at 1st oil change, and more often than 12 thou - more like every other chg. Not everyone wants to ride 150 miles to save a few bucks at Pats. Call Trackside once and check price on O&F. It's old tech - bottom line. OK, you win with your love for old Yam. Back when I was running Yamaha, it was trackside for service. Yam no longer has any interest to me, so didn't know. You trust your $14K sled engine on a 12 thou mile filter - I wouldn't. And it WAS $150+ for O&F. Have fun on the 600 pounder, Only sled I'd buy now is Doo or Poo. JMO - enjoy!
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Well wrong again.... Trackside no longer a Yamaha dealer has not been for some time now & I have no idea what service they perform on Yamaha sleds probably can't get parts cost muchoo bucks to carry parts from Yamaha & represent. TS will probably use up what they have in stock....not sure may not be able to when dealership is gone. You should fact check first not just shoot from hip or what somebody told you... I support Pat's because they are simply the best & in the area I ride the most. I want to support JD members but I was doing biz with Pat's for years now & will continue supporting them regardless of distance. So what other Yamaha dealer is close to Phelps in your opinion?
Tell you what .....visit Yamaha website read up on Apex & Vector then get back to me on all the old Yamaha technology you keep metioning as you put it in your words bottom line. I think you will be very surprised to compare Vector to any features of doo 1200 or Ace 4s technology plus both Apex & Vector sporting new rear suspensions in 2016. As you say you don't have interest in Yamaha so you don't know...that I would agree 100%.
For the record I like all the OEMs owned them all 4s & 2s. Right now Apex XTX meets my riding habits best bar none ...right for me & working with a great dealer like Pat's...its all good. The weight thing is not important to me for my type of riding. To me each his own so many OEM choices & why **** is having problems choosing what he should buy. You like doo & poo right for you and aok with me I'm sure you have your reasons & I would not question that just not the right thing to do impose my will on you & make assumtions about you as you have with me. Ask me I'll discuss but please know what you are talking about if you want people to take you seriously here.
Really doesn't need it per Yamaha specs so I looked at filter after 3500 miles & was aok. No dirt getting ingested during use oil stays clean at least with Mobile1 0-30 full syn. xxx007 is correct going to cost labor to get down to filter in Apex just not necessay every oil change but to each his own we all spend money on snomo stuff we don't need just because we want to.
I don't know about changes of filter schedule but IMHO it is insane not to change the filter after the first oil change. I can see skipping a year after the break in but that first 3500 mi is creating a lot of metallic . **** I would not go 3500 I would prob go 2 good trips on my first filter change then be on a every other yr rotation
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going with time proven reliability are we LMFAO