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SHOOT2KILL

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I have 4 sled in my family stables so even if you divide the number of sleds in 2 that’s 110,000 so not as bad as you want to make it.
YEP...Unfortunately your in yooperland...Sooo your 4 sleds dont count here in wisco...lol@u
 
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snobuilder

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Have you actually sat in a club meeting to discuss this? How is your club sitting financially? Has there been new signs/posts/equipment needed? Do you know where this money goes specifically in your club?
I never buy the trail pass thinking I will use it locally. Even if we open locally, it's usually not till end of Jan, after a couple trips up North for me. Maybe your expectations should change?

Do you feel AWSC is just pocketing this money? I can PM directly to see where this money goes with AWSC if needed.
No not at all .If you read my post I am concerned about the trails not opening or being closed at the slightest chance of above freezing temps.
The rule is 4" of snow with frost and 6" snowfall without frost to open trails.

I was in a position in the recent past where I knew exactly what was going in and out of the bank.

Of course the money is needed to improve every and all aspects of the sport.
 

goofy600

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If you live in Mi, why register in Wi
As my other post simple economics, I lived in Wisconsin until 2020 so they have all my info. Second Michigan and Wisconsin registration are both same price, you don’t get a discount in Michigan for trail pass like Wisconsin. So register in Wisconsin join a club $30 then $10 trail passes $70 total for me as to $200 for out of state. So simple economics.
 

ridindirty800

Active member
No not at all .If you read my post I am concerned about the trails not opening or being closed at the slightest chance of above freezing temps.
The rule is 4" of snow with frost and 6" snowfall without frost to open trails.

I was in a position in the recent past where I knew exactly what was going in and out of the bank.

Of course the money is needed to improve every and all aspects of the sport.

What county does that rule apply?? I have never heard of 4" with frost and 6" without?? I have been in member in Waukesha and Walworth for over 28 years. So much goes into opening trails, did wind blow snow off fields, are marshes open and not froze, any areas where corn is still up (dec time snows). Groomers go out pan many times to get a good idea of snow coverage and how conditions are before making the call, not to mention they need to make money to make the loan payment on them. Last week many trails were dirt by Friday and many were still very good at the same time. With above freezing temps forecasted into mid to upper 30's easy call to close Walworth Sat at 6am. Now it only got to about 32-34 but still right call. Remember 2021? Best trails in 20 years down here Walworth Co kept trails open with temps is 40 and 50's for days because the base was so good.
 

whitedust

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Still time but my hopes are getting dim mid 40s into middle of February no frost in the ground. I plan on going north to ride if it’s possible up there.
 

Tim in Indiana

Active member
Didnt know WATERSMEET was in Wi...

As my other post simple economics, I lived in Wisconsin until 2020 so they have all my info. Second Michigan and Wisconsin registration are both same price, you don’t get a discount in Michigan for trail pass like Wisconsin. So register in Wisconsin join a club $30 then $10 trail passes $70 total for me as to $200 for out of state. So simple economics.
I've registered sleds in Wisconsin for 20 years. Like Goofy says it simply makes sense money wise. Same $70 plus $25 club membership to get seven trail passes.

I've never registered a sled in Indiana, nor have I ever had one there. No reason to, they stay up north where I need them. I have friends that ride here and the UP and they also register in Wisconsin.

You can register just about anything in Wisconsin as a non-resident. The only thing you can't do is buy a resident hunting/fishing license.
 

SHOOT2KILL

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sled in Indiana
I rode in Indiana once...I dropped in New Buffalo, Mi...Came to a tee in the trail where there was a sign that said Indiana with an arrow pointed south...Ended up in South Bend...Got gas and walked across the street to a bar for lunch...Came out to find someone stole my toolkit out of the back of my sled...That wasn't you was it...lol
 

snobuilder

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What county does that rule apply?? I have never heard of 4" with frost and 6" without?? I have been in member in Waukesha and Walworth for over 28 years. So much goes into opening trails, did wind blow snow off fields, are marshes open and not froze, any areas where corn is still up (dec time snows). Groomers go out pan many times to get a good idea of snow coverage and how conditions are before making the call, not to mention they need to make money to make the loan payment on them. Last week many trails were dirt by Friday and many were still very good at the same time. With above freezing temps forecasted into mid to upper 30's easy call to close Walworth Sat at 6am. Now it only got to about 32-34 but still right call. Remember 2021? Best trails in 20 years down here Walworth Co kept trails open with temps is 40 and 50's for days because the base was so good.
Your thought process is exactly the problem I am talking about...there is no good way to micro-manage every mile of trail, but every year we are seeing more and more "appointed ones" thinking they are the trail gods. Show me the state statute that explains who exactly is in charge of opening and closing the trails. Somehow over the years we went from leaving it up to the snowobilers best judgement whats best for them and their equipment to an over regulated mess run by who knows who.
 

Tim in Indiana

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I rode in Indiana once...I dropped in New Buffalo, Mi...Came to a tee in the trail where there was a sign that said Indiana with an arrow pointed south...Ended up in South Bend...Got gas and walked across the street to a bar for lunch...Came out to find someone stole my toolkit out of the back of my sled...That wasn't you was it...lol
You've done better than me. Other than when I was a kid many years ago I have never ridden a sled in Indiana. I guess there is a 30 mile loop where you described but I'm not sure exactly where.

And I didn't swipe your tool kit, but I'll keep an eye out for it........:)
 

whitedust

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Checked with my Walworth county club meeting tonight to find out how open/closures are administrated. Walworth still has a north and south zone so decisions for north and south can be different no whole county all or nothing. Currently Walworth open/closings are done by committee of at least 4 different clubs that represents SE,SW, NE , NW quadrants of the county. My club thought midnight Saturday closing would have been better for the county and riders deserved that day. However the decision makers thought Saturday would have temps in the 40s with sun. That didn’t happen it was a beautiful winter day mostly in the upper 20s maybe made it to 33 late in the afternoon. What was very interesting no officer had any landowner complaints regarding open or closing within our club boundaries. I have no idea how the other quadrants felt about closing Saturday but NE wanted to stay open Saturday close Saturday night.
 

SunnySide

New member
I was bummed about that Saturday too. Was hoping to ride to work once more, Elkhorn to Harvard at 6:30 and back at noon. Still got some miles in that week and had fun. Got one more trip planned to Mercer this month then I'll put the sled away and bring the bike out :D
 

ridindirty800

Active member
Your thought process is exactly the problem I am talking about...there is no good way to micro-manage every mile of trail, but every year we are seeing more and more "appointed ones" thinking they are the trail gods. Show me the state statute that explains who exactly is in charge of opening and closing the trails. Somehow over the years we went from leaving it up to the snowobilers best judgement whats best for them and their equipment to an over regulated mess run by who knows who.

Years ago people were much more respectful of others land and seemed to have more brains. And there were far less landowners to deal with as people owned bigger chunks of land and there was not much development. Now it seems we come across all kinds of 2-5 acres properties we have to cross which just means more problems. Our section of trail in Walworth Co. crosses about 58 different landowners land. And we are only 1 of like 12 clubs in the county.
 
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