2016 sleds

[whitedust]

o man u must of had a tuff dealer. Glad ive never made a call to valcourt. That would be dealers job. U buyin a new apex then?

Went to 3 Doo dealers all wanted to help but blocked at Valcourt with 800 block refurb program so had to go it alone.....geez I wonder why Doo had that 800 refurb program?...lol.. Not much to compete with 2016 Apex with new skid & I thought maybe doo would have something + dealers hopeful too. 2015 AC not what I want don't know yet about 16, Poo 16 probably nothing, so yes Apex XTX but need to test ride no idea about ride of new Single Shot 146 & I never buy without test ride.

 

[momoney2123]

Went to 3 Doo dealers all wanted to help but blocked at Valcourt with 800 block refurb program so had to go it alone.....geez I wonder why Doo had that 800 refurb program?...lol.. Not much to compete with 2016 Apex with new skid & I thought maybe doo would have something + dealers hopeful too. 2015 AC not what I want don't know yet about 16, Poo 16 probably nothing, so yes Apex XTX but need to test ride no idea about ride of new Single Shot 146 & I never buy without test ride.

yea that sux. Good dealers are hard to find. We had rings flake on a 03 600, warrantied no questions asked. Good thing the current rotax line up is light years ahead of the first generation 800 twins. That seems like a lifetime ago, LOL. Hope the apex is nice!

 

[ezra]

but it is the best long block program in the industry .
or is it the only long block program lol.
so how is that r motion doing in the cross-country circuit this year agents those sub par air rides as y call them ?

 

[lenny]

The sleds in my opinion are coming to a point where they are at their pinnacle, much like a dirtbike or ATV. A 1988 honda 250r is still as good or better than a 2015 honda 450R. I dont see many ground breaking "REV" type chassis happening again. The biggest game changer will probably come in way of a more efficient drive train. And also engines will keep getting better and better. If your hoping artic cat reinvents the wheel, i think you maybe disapointed.

um,,,you mean like the cog drive of the Polaris pro RMK ?


Whitedust made comps of how different the OEM's are with poo having no 4s and yammi having no 2s, also doo having no 4s in 150 hp range and your answer is mods? He was referring to factory builds my friend,,,,sheshhhhhhh. Who gives a dump what a guy can mod, he's talking OE, try an keep up!

 

[indy_500]

um,,,you mean like the cog drive of the Polaris pro RMK ?


Whitedust made comps of how different the OEM's are with poo having no 4s and yammi having no 2s, also doo having no 4s in 150 hp range and your answer is mods? He was referring to factory builds my friend,,,,sheshhhhhhh. Who gives a dump what a guy can mod, he's talking OE, try an keep up!

Belt drive is not a game changer because it did not come on a McDoo!

 

[lenny]

also, for you to imply AC will not offer innovative product is lameO. Cat ruled the MTN segment with the M for years and still is no slouch. Doo lagged for 10 years in mtn sleds and the last 2 they finally have a contender,but unfortunately it was with the aid of a doo-dad gadget called a t-motion. When you have a chassis that was not designed from the ground up with an intended purpose,,,, you throw a doo-dad at it and flex the edge of the track so it can compete. T-motion works BUT was designed to cover inferior chassis design and I have to laugh at the trinket design.

 

[lenny]

Belt drive is not a game changer because it did not come on a McDoo!

yup,,,edven when you take a 143 hp poo compared to a 165 hp doo and the poo dominates lacking 20 hp, belt drive couldn't possibly be responsible for some of that!

 

[momoney2123]

also, for you to imply AC will not offer innovative product is lameO. Cat ruled the MTN segment with the M for years and still is no slouch. Doo lagged for 10 years in mtn sleds and the last 2 they finally have a contender,but unfortunately it was with the aid of a do-dad gadget called a t-motion. When you have a chassis that was not designed from the ground up with an intended purpose,,,, you throw a do-dad at it and flex the edge of the track so it can compete. T-motion works BUT was designed to cover inferior chassis design and I have to laugh at the trinket design.

Pah. Im not saying cat wouldnt do anything innovative. Just think its gona be tuff to unveil a game changer in the magnitude of previous leaps. It really is that simple of a concept . And like i said i hope im wrong. Lighter, more efficient and better engine's seems the focal point of the whole industry.

Isnt belt drive on 2016 poos?

 

[lenny]

Pah. Im not saying cat wouldnt do anything innovative. Just think its gona be tuff to unveil a game changer in the magnitude of previous leaps. It really is that simple of a concept . And like i said i hope im wrong. Lighter, more efficient and better engine's seems the focal point of the whole industry.

Isnt belt drive on 2016 poos?

I believe it's still only on the Pro RMK but I could be wrong. Here's my point, belt drive is very efficient, the technology is here and poo uses it on a stock sled. belt drive did not originate from poo,,,it's been around. When I was modding my Mtn max I saw an old Mtn max on line with cog belt drive 10 years ago. Just now an oem decided to build on that design and it flat out is top notch. What you did say was drive systems were going to become more efficient but that has happened and is old news. I do strongly agree with your premise that sleds today are incredible and it seems like we are at a plateau,,,,I bet it has seemed that way whit many things happening like doo with the rev chassis or Yammi going all 4s etc,,,,,,

 

[momoney2123]

yup,,,edven when you take a 143 hp poo compared to a 165 hp doo and the poo dominates lacking 20 hp, belt drive couldn't possibly be responsible for some of that!

From the big boys out west, u hear quite the opposite. Hopefully they got that 800 ho figured out!

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I believe it's still only on the Pro RMK but I could be wrong. Here's my point, belt drive is very efficient, the technology is here and poo uses it on a stock sled. belt drive did not originate from poo,,,it's been around. When I was modding my Mtn max I saw an old Mtn max on line with cog belt drive 10 years ago. Just now an oem decided to build on that design and it flat out is top notch. What you did say was drive systems were going to become more efficient but that has happened and is old news.

Ive seen quite a few people who have done this to revs and summits as well. If its that much of an advantage seems like every sled, not just mountain, and every manufacturer would be using it. I dont kno enough about it, but there must be a draw back.

 

[xsledder]

The sleds in my opinion are coming to a point where they are at their pinnacle, much like a dirtbike or ATV. A 1988 honda 250r is still as good or better than a 2015 honda 450R. I dont see many ground breaking "REV" type chassis happening again. The biggest game changer will probably come in way of a more efficient drive train. And also engines will keep getting better and better. If your hoping artic cat reinvents the wheel, i think you maybe disapointed.

Not the wheel but Cat did reinvent the rear suspension and the front suspension that ski-doo is using.

 

[lenny]

From the big boys out west, u hear quite the opposite. Hopefully they got that 800 ho figured out!

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Ive seen quite a few people who have done this to revs and summits as well. If its that much of an advantage seems like every sled, not just mountain, and every manufacturer would be using it. I dont kno enough about it, but there must be a draw back.

after momentum is achieved the higher HP sled will go further up probably but that is one aspect of MTN riding. Tree riding, side hilling and nimbleness at slower speeds the pro will have a more neutral feel. If your wanting to climb straight and run chutes,,,HP baby and than turbo!!!!!!!! For the mass population of riders we will never out ride our sleds and for that fact alone I believe the pro serves an advantage

Belt drive has it's limitations as it is transferring gobs of torgue and speed to the track in a highly aggressive manner unlike most road motorcycles. 2 of my buddies have blown their cog belts out in the woods so I believe the system is purpose built for an 'off-road" application so to speak unlike a high mileage not so aggressive typical trail application. I mean we're talking a rubber belt instead of gears, metal seems stronger. Mtn riding requires more attention to sled condition and operation. I'm sure there's other dynamics I know nothing of but IMO it's more efficient but less reliable for longevity.

 

[ezra]

Belt drive is not a game changer because it did not come on a McDoo!

also because a lot of guys who had the belt drive had to sno check to not get it again on there 15s but still get the shocks.
imho poo and all of them need to run a belt drive but not tight like the poo with a tension arm like t3 and the rest.
it is amazing how much harder it is to roll over track with a pro with oem belt compared to a cmx belt drive

 

[indy_500]

From the big boys out west, u hear quite the opposite. Hopefully they got that 800 ho figured out!

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Ive seen quite a few people who have done this to revs and summits as well. If its that much of an advantage seems like every sled, not just mountain, and every manufacturer would be using it. I dont kno enough about it, but there must be a draw back.

Just because you read something on dootalk it must be true!! Yeah that 174 summit t3 can point and shoot, throw it in the trees and that so called under powered unreliable pro rmk leaves it so far behind you might as well head back to the trailer. Just figured I'd keep the pom poms waving.

 

[ezra]

Not the wheel but Cat did reinvent the rear suspension and the front suspension that ski-doo is using.

actually poo and doo both are using cats rear skid front arm slid action on there race sleds .

 

[ezra]

Just because you read something on dootalk it must be true!! Yeah that 174 summit t3 can point and shoot, throw it in the trees and that so called under powered unreliable pro rmk leaves it so far behind you might as well head back to the trailer. Just figured I'd keep the pom poms waving.

doo got so much chit for inside ski lift early on they worked real hard really to hard to control that ski lift they engineered there casi out of the boondocker segment. but that quality is prob very helpful in hill climb events.
and to say the pro leaves a do so far behind is a bit of a stretch yes I am sure a 174 would but who buys a 174 for the trees? the 154 in competent hands wil go any place a Polaris will go. prob is a 162 poo will not go the places a 174 doo will go

 

[indy_500]

doo got so much chit for inside ski lift early on they worked real hard really to hard to control that ski lift they engineered there casi out of the boondocker segment. but that quality is prob very helpful in hill climb events.
and to say the pro leaves a do so far behind is a bit of a stretch yes I am sure a 174 would but who buys a 174 for the trees? the 154 in competent hands wil go any place a Polaris will go. prob is a 162 poo will not go the places a 174 doo will go

My post was not in 100% seriousness, its amazing how brand blind these posts are in this thread. Yeah I'm just as guilty for making the same comments, when I was 14! If anyone wants to dangle in the trees let me know. I'm going to keep rippin on my underpowered 800.

 

[polarisrider1]

The comedy never ends around here.

 

[Hoosier]

Belt drive is not a game changer because it did not come on a McDoo!

You've been paying attention! Exactly the right answer.

 

[ezra]

I am always amazed at how hard I have to wok to make a doo lay over. but I see guys flick them around with ez .must be yrs of dedication and denial with the willingness/loyalty to show the world that they do make a good boondocker.
I have seen a few posts around that doo sold more summits than rmk this yr . how is that possible ?U see what 1 summit for every 10 poos